Airbus A300B1

Seattle · **Reply #45 on:** February 06, 2008, 12:07:57 am

I had a Beech that made 300K

Only becuase it flew *quite* short routes.

ALFC · **Reply #46 on:** February 06, 2008, 06:43:31 am

Quote from: "Skyfox"

Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.

correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.

SeaBlue Pacific Air · **Reply #47 on:** February 06, 2008, 01:02:17 pm

This is the most annoying plane in AM right now. I deployed my Airbuses between big cities and it was fun seeing competition lower their prices way below optimal price. However, in routes where I still use a Caravelle, some airliners use an Airbus. I just realized this plane is so annoying.

This means more Airbus for me!

iranair777 · **Reply #48 on:** February 06, 2008, 01:53:25 pm

Quote from: "ALFC"

Quote from: "Skyfox"
Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.

correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.

and your customers

Skyfox · **Reply #49 on:** February 07, 2008, 01:23:36 am

Quote from: "ALFC"

Quote from: "Skyfox"
Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.

correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.

If capitalism wherent so much fun, it would totaly suck.

zkvac · **Reply #50 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:52:16 am

Ok, I will admit, if someone puts an A300 on a 4x freq it's a pain. (Edited because for some reason people took offense at it- Harden up!)

AirHanoverInternational · **Reply #51 on:** February 07, 2008, 07:02:56 am

Can someone edit the post above? It is not me zkvac is talking about but bad words which could provocate aggressive reaction should not be used here.

Blue Sky Mine · **Reply #52 on:** February 07, 2008, 07:43:08 am

I don't think idiot is too bad...

and actually I must say that 4x A300 is economic nonsense- can't think of a city pair that would support this

RMAirlines · **Reply #53 on:** February 07, 2008, 11:58:44 am

I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.

LOT 737-300 · **Reply #54 on:** February 07, 2008, 01:47:35 pm

Quote from: "RMAirlines"

I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.

I recommend you look at some 150-200 seaters for those types of routes. They can make you quite a bit of cash if used properly (plus not get the route down to unprofitable 1 Euro as quickly too, knowing how CPH routes tend to be almost as busy as Gatwak routes for me.

Blue Sky Mine · **Reply #55 on:** February 07, 2008, 04:20:16 pm

Quote from: "RMAirlines"

I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.

What the heck? Ever looked into the Tu 154???

zkvac · **Reply #56 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:25:51 pm

Quote from: "Blue Sky Mine"

I don't think idiot is too bad...

and actually I must say that 4x A300 is economic nonsense- can't think of a city pair that would support this

What about Orlando-JFK? The fare was about 200 euros, now down to 45.

Thanks_for_the_upgrade · **Reply #57 on:** February 08, 2008, 12:22:55 am

I have a route where I'm running 2.5x for 20 Euro....

STRICTLY to prove a point to a competitor how bad of a business move it is who is doing the same routing. The income for the plane is something like 26,000 Euro... for 1510 passengers. Dude, come on. Anyway we did this back and forth during a 2 hour war today to several airports and eventually the point got across and we're back to 737/727's. Only one route seems to be left for whatever reason, I think just to stalemate the route.

Anyhow I noticed that while my LF stayed within +/- 1% and my daily passengers went up due to the A300's (during the little battle today) my DOP conversely went down about 3-4%. The A300's seem to actually be a leach on your own DOP as well.

Dooskie III · **Reply #58 on:** February 08, 2008, 12:58:08 am

Quote from: "Thanks_for_the_upgrade"

I have a route where I'm running 2.5x for 20 Euro....

STRICTLY to prove a point to a competitor how bad of a business move it is who is doing the same routing. The income for the plane is something like 26,000 Euro... for 1510 passengers. Dude, come on. Anyway we did this back and forth during a 2 hour war today to several airports and eventually the point got across and we're back to 737/727's. Only one route seems to be left for whatever reason, I think just to stalemate the route.

Anyhow I noticed that while my LF stayed within +/- 1% and my daily passengers went up due to the A300's (during the little battle today) my DOP conversely went down about 3-4%. The A300's seem to actually be a leach on your own DOP as well.

:wink:

Thanks_for_the_upgrade · **Reply #59 on:** February 08, 2008, 06:01:12 am

There he is!

You gotta admit the plane really doesn't make any money when you use it like we did LOL. Did you by chance notice the absurd costs of running the route when you were at 0%? One of them I think was -25,000 euro. PM me in game so we can work out a peace accord on some of the routes.