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on: February 26, 2008, 07:47:16 pm
Can you please explain why you do it?

Do you think you're making twice as much money with a 2-frequency compared to doing a 1-frequency? Three times more if you do a 3-frequency?

I'd like to know what your reasoning is.
             
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Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 08:03:47 pm
There's already people doing 4x frequencies on some California routes. :roll:

Friggin' insane.

People, get this through your thick heads: YOU MAKE WAY MORE MONEY DOING 1X FLIGHTS EVERYWHERE. Even WITH the gate costs, you come out way ahead. Going 2-3-4-5x with a 90-seat plane trashes yields and screws up the game.

You're destroying this round before it even starts.
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Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 08:12:04 pm
There's someone makin 10x Dubai-Abu Dhabi :roll: :evil: !!!! He must be nuts... with that amount of frequencies the prices already droped to values around 30€!


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Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 08:16:45 pm
Sadly, most of the biggest offenders probably don't read/post in this forum. Oh well.
             
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Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 08:18:54 pm
People need to realise that gate rental is not what ruins you income, it's maintenance. Last round I had 600+ gates that cost me 100 million monthly, while maintenance for all aircraft making those routes were 800 million. So adding a lot of freq that cost aircraft is so stupid especially since the DOP per freq is really low. If DOP is 50K for 1 freq, it might be 75K for 5 freq, making it a nice 15K per "route". Then subtracting gate fee and maintenance, and not to forget the actual cost of the aircraft you will be a snail in the rankings.
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Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 08:27:18 pm
Quote from: "Scandalian Airlines"
People need to realise that gate rental is not what ruins you income, it's maintenance. Last round I had 600+ gates that cost me 100 million monthly, while maintenance for all aircraft making those routes were 800 million. So adding a lot of freq that cost aircraft is so stupid especially since the DOP per freq is really low. If DOP is 50K for 1 freq, it might be 75K for 5 freq, making it a nice 15K per "route". Then subtracting gate fee and maintenance, and not to forget the actual cost of the aircraft you will be a snail in the rankings.


Quite true. I had a competitor out of one hub that ended up doing multiples like that. Our valuations were pretty much even when I started the hub. By the end of the game, I had 2X the value they did.


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Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 08:30:27 pm
But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


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Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 08:33:04 pm
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But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


I think so too, lets bring in terrorists, crashes and unions :lol:
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Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008, 08:35:16 pm
Quote from: "Scandalian Airlines"
Quote from: "myefre"
But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world.  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


I think so too, lets bring in terrorists, crashes and unions :lol:


And bad food and matronly flight attendants  :lol:


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Reply #9 on: February 26, 2008, 08:36:40 pm
And government regulation, too :lol:

No Open Skies anymore, and cabotage laws apply. Sorry, Euro-based airlines; you can't fly intra-US alliance routes anymore! US airlines can't fly to China without getting frequencies allocated and good luck getting a beyond-perimeter slot at Reagan National :lol:
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Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008, 08:36:45 pm
I am not a friend of those HF flights either but as you asked for I tried to find out why people are doing this:

The "understandable" ones:
1) I am new to the game and have no clue how this game works.
2) I want to keep my gates.
3) I want to drive out competition (although in 95% of the cases it wont work :wink: ).
4) I want to act like a real airline would do (ok, would not explain freq 10 ones but freq 2 or freq 3 ones).

The "by the honest user most-hated" ones:
5) I am bored of this game and like to bother others.
6) I am playing a different online airline managing game and want to move the people from here to there.
7) I am cheating by using different accounts and I want to bother competition (Unfortunatly there is no way to prevent this game from cheating.).

Did I forget anything? Possibly :wink:
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Reply #11 on: February 26, 2008, 08:37:16 pm
but in the real world they dont start immediatly with 10 daily flights between 2 cities even if they r far from each other

they start 1st with few weekly flights then to daily and then they might might double and so on
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Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 08:38:56 pm
"I want to keep my gates" is a bull*vegetable* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
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Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 08:57:07 pm
Quote from: "travismb99"
"I want to keep my gates" is a *blood sausage* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.


This is more about later in the round when you, for example, open up a terminal and need to fill up 40 slots quick.
             
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Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 08:58:21 pm
Quote from: "travismb99"
"I want to keep my gates" is a bull*vegetable* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.


I was talking about this in general not about the actual starting situation.

When you create a terminal on your base you may lose rented gates if you cannot get them connected on time. Therefore it may be useful to have some high frequency flights to the closest airport for one or two real days. People do this especially when there are no gates left on their base - just to prevent other competition entering their routes. I have to admit that I did the same last round.
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