NO MATTER HOW YOU PLAY...

[smartmo]

i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.

[Singaporeair]

Remove the Ranking next round.  

[CornField]

i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.

That rate of occupancy is foolishly low....


At the very beginning of a round, when you are the first into a city.  You automatically have a 100% market share.  Noone would be able to open even their first route.

Second circumstance when that doesn't work.  You pick a city to hub where there is a low amount of traffic.  You could in theory end up with a market share above 60% quite easily.  Some airlines prefer to pick one city and put a ton of traffic out of it rather than shotgunning two or three cities at the beginning.

[smartmo]

i suggest that admin can cancel 0.5 frequently and create a rule that prevent
any airline's occupied rate over than 30% in one place. i think it is a efficient method to stop airlines to monopolize the city.

That rate of occupancy is foolishly low....


At the very beginning of a round, when you are the first into a city.  You automatically have a 100% market share.  Noone would be able to open even their first route.

Second circumstance when that doesn't work.  You pick a city to hub where there is a low amount of traffic.  You could in theory end up with a market share above 60% quite easily.  Some airlines prefer to pick one city and put a ton of traffic out of it rather than shotgunning two or three cities at the beginning.

maybe you are right  :wink:  then , now t think the causing the banned issue is gates problem. you know in the real world , any airlines will rent and hold all gates of the city? is it monopoly? i hope admin could find a solve way for that

[myflyingsky]

Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem.  You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.

I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.

[sla31]

Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem.  You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.

I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.

He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.

[myflyingsky]

It seems that something yet explained...
I know from the forum that even admins have different point of views towards 0.5 frequency. This makes me worried.
If they are banned because of 0.5 frequency, I think most of the airlines in the game are responsible too.
May be its time for admins to combine their thoughts and make a new game rule on this issue.
Without a clear explanation, I think the arguement will not end...
If banning account is the only solution, then ban mine too.

I don't think banning your account is a solution. The fact is that we are banned but you are not. What we want to know is the reason and nobody here answer me.

Even you are banned now, we still need the reasons and it just further explain your dear alliance member tried to protect you.

[kfai]

5:17 PM air.elbonia: that will still happen
i have, and properly use, 71 gates at msp (out of 300)
it would only take 4 active airlines there on my scale to fill it
me: I'm trying to catch the people who don't properly use the gates.
5:18 PM (i.e. the multiple 0.5's on the same route, the high frequency flights, etc...)
air.elbonia: all theroetically valid strategies
5:19 PM i suppose i'm a lot more laissez-faire about it
me: Stephen's had enough, I've had enough, Asia's had enough.

Mr. dl-3508, see what one of our dear Admin Mr. Air. Elbonia said. Have you forgot?
Are u logic enough?  
If you think 0.5 frequency is not valid, you should not allow us to do so at early time. Not to block us at game year 2003.

Also, please inform us before blocking us. You blocking action may causes me to loose 3 orders from our broker, 5 billion in total. This is lucky to me as it only cost 5billion. Ifyou blocked me few days earlier, total lost may be >15billion. :twisted:

[dktc]

Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem.  You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.

I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.

He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.

Maybe, Maybe not...

...guys, the situation is being examined closely by StephenM. And trust me when I said closely.


Let's give d1 a break for a bit. His is cracking under the pressure (instead of cracking down on you all). Please be patient for a bit and trust StephenM to take care of this situation (trust me if not him ). He gets all your points and the whole admin team is learning with this "experience".

@KFai, don't worry about your order from me. The planes would be kept on the market, awaiting you to pick them up (as promised in my recent post in my brokerage thread).

[myflyingsky]

I'm going to keep this short & sweet.

(Transcript from a google chat between Me & Will, 23rd August 2007)

5:13 PM air.elbonia: make it 71 gates at MSP
 me: Spare?
5:14 PM air.elbonia: no
 me: How many spare then?
 air.elbonia: filling up the new one as we speak
  define spare
 me: Not used by anyone.
5:15 PM air.elbonia: aren't many of those, last i knew. (players that is)
5:16 PM me: The full gates?
  (0 left)
 air.elbonia: yeeeaaahhh... that will happen
 me: The 250 gate airports though.
5:17 PM air.elbonia: that will still happen
  i have, and properly use, 71 gates at msp (out of 300)
  it would only take 4 active airlines there on my scale to fill it
 me: I'm trying to catch the people who don't properly use the gates.
5:18 PM (i.e. the multiple 0.5's on the same route, the high frequency flights, etc...)
 air.elbonia: all theroetically valid strategies
5:19 PM i suppose i'm a lot more laissez-faire about it
 me: Stephen's had enough, I've had enough, Asia's had enough.
5:21 PM That's why we're cracking down.
 air.elbonia: yeah
 me: If you do not return these gates, and I have to give
another warning to you, you will be banned until a date
that we see fit.
  That was my ending notice.
5:22 PM air.elbonia: there's a significant difference between kapellen, and people using multiple .5's though.
 me: I've given them 13 days, so that's fair.
  Have a look at Kings arm (for example)
5:23 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:24 PM air.elbonia: yeah
 me: (still being forced to use that because of my shoddy laptop)
 air.elbonia: high frequency overlap
  yeah
  KAA is like kapellen
5:25 PM me: And KAA only returned 1 gate, out of a possible 200.
5:26 PM air.elbonia: again, i'm just saying. big difference between KAA and Dora
 me: MMR: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=656
5:27 PM Not that... -smacks laptop-
  http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=625
5:28 PM air.elbonia: yeah. MMR's not too bad in my opinion
5:29 PM me: KFAI also, same airport
5:31 PM MMR again http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=721
5:35 PM Dora: (this is just a small section)DDA132266 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132267 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132268 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
DDA132269 Manado - Sam Ratulangi Airport 0.5
 air.elbonia: yeah
 me: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=143
  It gets worse, the further you go through it.
5:37 PM PAA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=506
 air.elbonia: yeah
5:38 PM the block of high freq overlap, another kapellan
5:39 PM me: Of course, this is only a small sample of how bad it is.

Kapellen Airservice: ATH, BRE, FRA, KLX, LXS, JMK, NAP, CIA & FCO
King's Arm Airline: TKG, HLP, CGK, SEL & HND
Pacific Atlantic Airline: DEL & MES
Flower Family: HZG, LYA, ENY & XIY
KFAI Airlines: HRB, KUL & BOM
MOMO Rabbit Airlines: KUL & SEL
Royal Pacific Airline: MFM & ICN
Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: MES, PEN, SEL & ICN
Free Flying Airline: ITM
Doraemon Airlines: ITM & HND

That's the full list.
5:40 PM Tottoko Hamutarō Airline: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=523
5:41 PM air.elbonia: Seol hides in that list rather well
  but sticks out like a sore thumb
 me: THA143306 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 10
THA143309 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143829 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 30
THA143838 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143873 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
THA143874 Seoul - Gimpo International Ai 49
5:42 PM air.elbonia: yeah
 me: Another kap.
 air.elbonia: 'nother ka
  kap*
 me: Kap, we all know what that looks like...
5:44 PM http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=884 - Flower Family.
 air.elbonia: 'nother kap
 me: -nods-
5:45 PM RPA: http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=524
 air.elbonia: yeah
  'nother kap
5:46 PM shenzhen and such
 me: RPA160967 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160968 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160969 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160970 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160971 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160972 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
RPA160973 Ho Chi Minh City 0.5
 air.elbonia: ... those aren't the bad ones
5:47 PM RPA144920 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
 me: Saw that.
 air.elbonia: RPA144962 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA144966 Shenzhen - Boaon 42.5
RPA145001 Shenzhen - Boaon 13
 me: And more... http://69.89.31.63/~airlinem/airlinemogul/view_airport.php?id=602
5:48 PM RPA143201 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143194 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143196 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143197 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143198 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143202 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143203 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143206 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143208 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143214 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143216 Osaka-Itami 32
RPA143218 Osaka-Itami 32
 air.elbonia: lovely
  the kap-like ones, i support you on fully
  the multi .5 freq, not as much
5:49 PM me: The only reason I'm "attacking" dora, is because of the high amount of gates.

Is that evidence enough?

Yes you give the evidence of <0.5 route and >10 route. My airline never deny it.

However, what we want to know is the reason why we are banned but Doraemon not.

Your sentence is short but not sweet. I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.

I am still waiting for your explanation.

[dktc]

I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.

I am still waiting for you explanation.

He is not replying to your email because he is having a cool down period, as recommended by StephenM. Guys, calm down. The situation should be taken care of soon.

[kfai]

Wether you have enough time or not is not their problem.  You obviously had more than enough time to setup those routes. If I were the admin I would save you time and delete your account. You got caught and now you guys are whinning, well tough sh*t.

I think you really need to mind your language.
I don't think we are get caught.

He right d1 is going to lock this topic if you don't watch it.

Maybe, Maybe not...

...guys, the situation is being examined closely by StephenM. And trust me when I said closely.


Let's give d1 a break for a bit. His is cracking under the pressure (instead of cracking down on you all). Please be patient for a bit and trust StephenM to take care of this situation (trust me if not him ). He gets all your points and the whole admin team is learning with this "experience".

@KFai, don't worry about your order from me. The planes would be kept on the market, awaiting you to pick them up (as promised in my recent post in my brokerage thread).

Thanks, CEO of D Express.
AND I TRUST YOU.

[myflyingsky]

I think, as a admin of the game, you should do everything with proper reason but not to say "keep it short and sweet" or even didn't reply our email.

I am still waiting for you explanation.

He is not replying to your email because he is having a cool down period, as recommended by StephenM. Guys, calm down. The situation should be taken care of soon.

OK
but I mean the email which I replied for the "first warning" email
not the recent one :wink:

thx anyway

[CornField]

Also, please inform us before blocking us. You blocking action may causes me to loose 3 orders from our broker, 5 billion in total. This is lucky to me as it only cost 5billion. Ifyou blocked me few days earlier, total lost may be >15billion. :twisted:

Your upset....

You are the causation of your banning.....

I have a broker order sitting waiting for one of the banned lines, and I would like to have the cash involved back to do other things.  Yes, its only $1b  but still.  I had nothing to do with the current situation, other than agreeing with sloppy gate hoggers like yourself getting the ban.  The kind of crap you pulled is now sucking other innocents in.....

[Dora]

It seems that something yet explained...
I know from the forum that even admins have different point of views towards 0.5 frequency. This makes me worried.
If they are banned because of 0.5 frequency, I think most of the airlines in the game are responsible too.
May be its time for admins to combine their thoughts and make a new game rule on this issue.
Without a clear explanation, I think the arguement will not end...
If banning account is the only solution, then ban mine too.

I don't think banning your account is a solution. The fact is that we are banned but you are not. What we want to know is the reason and nobody here answer me.

Even you are banned now, we still need the reasons and it just further explain your dear alliance member tried to protect you.

You have no evidence to say my alliance is protecting me. You will not get what you want if you think in this way.