Count to 10,000

[1993matias]

3571

Well, when the resources get scarce, people would find the resources in the waste

[norge]

3572

There's probably a lot of recyclable materials in the floating garbage patches in the Pacific.

[Zach21GF]

3573

Pretty sure the majority is plastic, so yeah

[1993matias]

3574

Which is made from oil which is getting more expensive by the year...

[Virgin Serbia]

3574

Plastic is indeed made from oil, but not the part of oil we use for vehicles. It is made from what is left over after all the fuels have been made, and is therefore not really going to be affected in terms of cost in the same way as petrol or diesel.

And the plastic in the oceans had decomposed to what is basically just a plastic sludge, so we can't really get it out of the water in any meaningful amounts.

See this Vice documentary about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41rO7mL6zM

[Zach21GF]

3575

That depends on what the intention is, if it is to clean the ocean then it would be meaningful

[Virgin Serbia]

3576

No, not really. Cleaning out watered down de-graded plastic is going to cost so much that it's unfeasable. And it will possibly pollute the ocean more than you could clean them by having ships steaming steaming around in the area trying to clean it.

[1993matias]

3578

Sun powered, sail aided ships then?

[norge]

3579

Then again removing the plastic and all the other nonsence in the ocean will improve the marine life, and the fish we eat don't contain hazardous materials in them. I think sometimes you need to spend money to make things better really.

[Virgin Serbia]

3579

I'm afraid we are way past the point of being able to do that ourselves. The oceans can take care of themselves in time. We just need to stop polluting the oceans any further.
Quicksilver concentrations are now so high that some experts in Denmark recently proposed a total ban on fishing Tuna, Marlin and other top of the foodchain sea creatures for the next 70 years. We can't remove the quicksilver from the oceans, nor can we remove it from the foodchain.

[Zach21GF]

3580

First of all I will never agree that we should not do anything, yes it perhaps would be more harmful at the current time, but as technology progress we may very well have a tool in our hands to do it.
Yes we need to stop polluting the oceans, but if there is a point we are way way beyond, then it is the point of us passively looking while Mother Earth cleans up after us. Just by stopping the pollution does contrary to popular belief not end our problems, we have polluted so much that we also need to clean it up.

[1993matias]

3582

We could just kill half the world's population, that would solve so many things!

[Virgin Serbia]

3582

We can't clean out the oceans, that is an impossibility on the likes of finding a cure for cancer. It won't happen.

The pollutants have been dissolved into all of the oceans on this planet, all the plants in the ocean and all the animals living in the oceans. Cleaning them would require killing all the plants and animals, and cleaning every liter of water in the oceans

Quicksilver and plastic is dissolved into the oceans. The plants absorb it. The shrimp and krill eat the plants containing the pollutants. Then bigger fish eat lots of shrimp and krill containing pollutants. Then the bigger fish die, drop to the bottom where plants absorb them......
Gradually the pollutants will drop to the bottom in deep areas with no life, and become harmless sediment. This will take some 70 years at present.

[Zach21GF]

3583

I completely disagree with you, I think it is likely that we find a cure to cancer. Our understanding in gene mutations (which cancer is), so I do believe we will find a cure.

However it seems like there is more or less none that agrees, so why don't we change the subject?

So Delta just cancelled their 787 orders in favor of the A350, will we see more carriers changing from the, let's say "challenged", 787 to the A350?

[Virgin Serbia]

3584

Delta did not cancel the 787 order (yet). They ordered 25 A350-900 and 25 A330-900, and it is rather the A330-900s that challenged the 787. The A330-900 will replace the oldest 767-300 in the Delta fleet. The A350 is a class above the 787, and will replace the older 777s, the 747s and the 767-400s.

Delta has 95 767s of all variants that need replacement, as well as 8 777-200ER and 13 747-400 and 18 757-200 that are used on medium haul routes. 16 767-300As will be replaced by A321s and 737-900ERs. That leaves 118 planes to replace. They will receive the 50 planes from this order, plus 10 A330-300 from a previous order, leaving another 58 to replace. They will need the 787-8s or more A330NEOs, and I believe the 787-8s are already paid for. The 787-8 is also smaller than the A330-900, making it more suitable to replace the 757-200s.