Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Mastafa on October 11, 2010, 08:00:28 pm
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Are they profitable?
My co-manager says and i dont know. for those of you who know, tell me here/vote in poll. (many airlines are ordering up to 5 747s!!!!!!!!!!!) :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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No. Only inexperienced airlines order 747s. If you look at their IDs, i'm sure you will find very few with a low ID number (aka, older ID, more experience with AM).
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No. Only inexperienced airlines order 747s. If you look at their IDs, i'm sure you will find very few with a low ID number (aka, older ID, more experience with AM).
Then VOTE!!!!
Maximum DOC?
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No. Only inexperienced airlines order 747s. If you look at their IDs, i'm sure you will find very few with a low ID number (aka, older ID, more experience with AM).
Then VOTE!!!!
Maximum DOC?
I did ;) I've never tried anything larger than a DC-10-30, and it didn't make money. That said, i was operating it from Turkmenistan... :lol:
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No. Only inexperienced airlines order 747s. If you look at their IDs, i'm sure you will find very few with a low ID number (aka, older ID, more experience with AM).
thanks...
Your turn to vote, Stephen!
Then VOTE!!!!
Maximum DOC?
I did ;) I've never tried anything larger than a DC-10-30, and it didn't make money. That said, i was operating it from Turkmenistan... :lol:
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Maximum DOC?
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OOOHh NO )#84-425
Co manager ordered
2 DC-10-30ERs
And
2X boeing 747-400
1,200,000,000 DOWN THE DRAIN :cry :cry :cry :'(
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Any one knows MAX doc?
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FAIL! All your base are belong to us!
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Any one knows MAX doc?
If you operate routes like YYZ-LHR/CDG/etc. with the 747 and use up all its hours, the money it earns should end up at around maybe $600,000, perhaps less. But then again, I've never had anything larger than an A300 before, so I might be way off... :D
Edit: Also, maintenance costs will go for around $500,000+ within a few months and millions later on, so I highly recommend you to either sell, lease or scrap the aircraft right away. (Since no one will dare to buy/lease your 747's, I guess scrapping would be the best idea).
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Any one knows MAX doc?
If you operate routes like YYZ-LHR/CDG/etc. with the 747 and use up all its hours, the money it earns should end up at around maybe $600,000, perhaps less. But then again, I've never had anything larger than an A300 before, so I might be way off... :D
Edit: Also, maintenance costs will go for around $500,000+ within a few months and millions later on, so I highly recommend you to either sell, lease or scrap the aircraft right away. (Since no one will dare to buy/lease your 747's, I guess scrapping would be the best idea).
bbbuuuuuuttttttttttt..........
my cute 1 billionn 200 million!
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I would like to know who is writing what on Mastafa's posts... (totally off-topic ...)
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This one?
Me (CEO)
Sean is co-CEO
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The most profitable L/H A/C I ever operated was a Tristar 500 out of HND.
If you are not a well established airline in a long running World, where your S/H network brings in the majority of your DOC, forget operating 747s, longer range 777s.
If you really want to expand your L/H market, buy 767s with extended range.
You will burn money but add those great destinations to your network.
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In my first world i operated several 744s one that was 6 years old and within a game year i was bankrupt.
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In my first world i operated several 744s one that was 6 years old and within a game year i was bankrupt.
Scrapping them...
Poor 1,200,000,000
Is it OK if I buy lockheeds?
Current year is 1989
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Yeah, I use 767-200ERs for all of my long-range flights, since they fit under the 200M value limit and are just under the 300 pax limit for profitability.
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Yeah, I use 767-200ERs for all of my long-range flights, since they fit under the 200M value limit and are just under the 300 pax limit for profitability.
Absolutely correct here.
I have tried and tested all the long haul A/C available in AM, even the A380.
If you are determined to add long haul then 'TheKevinShow' advice is spot on and my own experience.
You can fiddle with the engine suppliers and extend range where needed to just 1 or 2 specific A/C if you want to boost range beyond that of a standard 777.
It comes in under the all important (but which many players forget) 200M price tag and carries less than 300 punters.
As a bit of an anorak, I keep details of previous game play and especially long haul profitable A/C on certain routes.
Without exception, once taking into account maintenance, lead in delivery times ( 150M is a lot to spend then wait 72HRs for delivery, when a you could buy many far more profitable S/H A/C and have them in your hanger in half the time making money) the B767 has been my best find for launching and reaching new L/H destinations.
I have a few other tricks up my sleeve, but I'm keeping those to myself.
Happy flying.
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Yeah, I use 767-200ERs for all of my long-range flights, since they fit under the 200M value limit and are just under the 300 pax limit for profitability.
Absolutely correct here.
I have tried and tested all the long haul A/C available in AM, even the A380.
If you are determined to add long haul then 'TheKevinShow' advice is spot on and my own experience.
You can fiddle with the engine suppliers and extend range where needed to just 1 or 2 specific A/C if you want to boost range beyond that of a standard 777.
It comes in under the all important (but which many players forget) 200M price tag and carries less than 300 punters.
As a bit of an anorak, I keep details of previous game play and especially long haul profitable A/C on certain routes.
Without exception, once taking into account maintenance, lead in delivery times ( 150M is a lot to spend then wait 72HRs for delivery, when a you could buy many far more profitable S/H A/C and have them in your hanger in half the time making money) the B767 has been my best find for launching and reaching new L/H destinations.
I have a few other tricks up my sleeve, but I'm keeping those to myself.
Happy flying.
Thanks! I will go for 762 ERs. (Can you gimme some of your tricks via PM? ;) Pleeeezzzzzzzzzzz)
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I myself have tested A380s and they are anything but profitable i currently run a very successful airline with several aircraft out on lease but I strongly advise against anything that costs over 200,000. 747-200s are grand for 4 years but other than that Do Not Use Them you will go bankrupt.
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I myself have tested A380s and they are anything but profitable i currently run a very successful airline with several aircraft out on lease but I strongly advise against anything that costs over 200,000. 747-200s are grand for 4 years but other than that Do Not Use Them you will go bankrupt.
Wrong...
I operated 2 380s (with 3 on order) in a PW! All were 2 yrs old! I never went bankrupt!!! (Although I never operated them from YYZ) :P
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I myself have tested A380s and they are anything but profitable i currently run a very successful airline with several aircraft out on lease but I strongly advise against anything that costs over 200,000. 747-200s are grand for 4 years but other than that Do Not Use Them you will go bankrupt.
Wrong...
I operated 2 380s (with 3 on order) in a PW! All were 2 yrs old! I never went bankrupt!!! (Although I never operated them from YYZ) :P
I operated an A380 between HND and ATL with NO competition on the route and made less than operating other A/C with Long haul capabilities.
I did scrap both my A380s before serious maintenance fees kicked in but it was a very poor performer.
If that big bird can't make money between the biggest airports in the game, then frankly, there is no hope for it.
Apart from a very short lived cache of being the only airline to operate the A380, once my competitors launched the same service on smaller jets, the joke was definitely on me.
But that's what the game is all about, try, learn, discover and keep what works.
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Yeah.
BTW: I just kept the 380 for decorating purposes :P
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Don't even buy long haul planes at all. That's even better ;) You'll never make as much money as you do with A319/A320's and the maintenance costs will kill you once those big birds are getting older :P Plus, they cost around 4 times as much as an A319-class plane costs. I only fly domestic (<2000nm) with small planes like the A319 and I'm growing faster than anyone else 9 out of 10 times. You should give it a try :)
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Don't even buy long haul planes at all. That's even better ;) You'll never make as much money as you do with A319/A320's and the maintenance costs will kill you once those big birds are getting older :P Plus, they cost around 4 times as much as an A319-class plane costs. I only fly domestic (<2000nm) with small planes like the A319 and I'm growing faster than anyone else 9 out of 10 times. You should give it a try :)
Thats not true. As long as you follow the sensible rules for longhaulers (cost less than 200 million, less than 300 pax) they can be very profitable if used correctly. They are not as profitable as the short haul planes, but they are still profitable.
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Don't even buy long haul planes at all. That's even better ;) You'll never make as much money as you do with A319/A320's and the maintenance costs will kill you once those big birds are getting older :P Plus, they cost around 4 times as much as an A319-class plane costs. I only fly domestic (<2000nm) with small planes like the A319 and I'm growing faster than anyone else 9 out of 10 times. You should give it a try :)
Thats not true. As long as you follow the sensible rules for longhaulers (cost less than 200 million, less than 300 pax) they can be very profitable if used correctly. They are not as profitable as the short haul planes, but they are still profitable.
True, but I never said long haul planes aren't profitable ;) They're just not as profitable as short haul planes :)
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That's very true, but some players (myself included) do like to add and pepper their networks with some L/H routes.
It's a game after all, I ensure my S/H network can easily absorb the extra costs and my DOC is high before ordering any L/H aircraft.
I'm a bit of a 'map' player, in that I also like to see my network grow and enjoy seeing my new destinations on the map.
As I said, we can all be serious players, but it's also meant to be a game and a bit of fun.
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That's very true, but some players (myself included) do like to add and pepper their networks with some L/H routes.
It's a game after all, I ensure my S/H network can easily absorb the extra costs and my DOC is high before ordering any L/H aircraft.
I'm a bit of a 'map' player, in that I also like to see my network grow and enjoy seeing my new destinations on the map.
As I said, we can all be serious players, but it's also meant to be a game and a bit of fun.
Yep, nothing wrong with that. And I have to say, LH routes do look sweet on the route map. My maps are mostly kinda boring with a large red dot :) It's all about strategy differences.
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The 767-200ERs work really well, but I really wish that the maintenance formulae would be fixed so I could use some 747s or 777s, since the 767-200ER is unavailable after 2004.
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The 767-200ERs work really well, but I really wish that the maintenance formulae would be fixed so I could use some 747s or 777s, since the 767-200ER is unavailable after 2004.
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Yes!
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I personally would wait for the A330-200 to come out because of it's range and size. It's the best long-haul aircraft in Airline mogul.
P.S. Mastafa I'm the broker in the new world and I would be interested in creating an alliance with you.
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I personally would wait for the A330-200 to come out because of it's range and size. It's the best long-haul aircraft in Airline mogul.
P.S. Mastafa I'm the broker in the new world and I would be interested in creating an alliance with you.
Thanks and you are more than welcome to join!
OneSky will be the name!
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I personally would wait for the A330-200 to come out because of it's range and size. It's the best long-haul aircraft in Airline mogul.
P.S. Mastafa I'm the broker in the new world and I would be interested in creating an alliance with you.
Thanks and you are more than welcome to join!
OneSky will be the name!
Sounds Great!
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Don't think I'm not seeing this Mastafa...
OOOHh NO )#84-425
Co manager ordered
2 DC-10-30ERs
And
2X boeing 747-400
1,200,000,000 DOWN THE DRAIN :cry :cry :cry :'(
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Don't think I'm not seeing this Mastafa...OOOHh NO )#84-425
Co manager ordered
2 DC-10-30ERs
And
2X boeing 747-400
1,200,000,000 DOWN THE DRAIN :cry :cry :cry :'(
Lol, is that the co-manager? 8)
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Don't think I'm not seeing this Mastafa...OOOHh NO )#84-425
Co manager ordered
2 DC-10-30ERs
And
2X boeing 747-400
1,200,000,000 DOWN THE DRAIN :cry :cry :cry :'(
Lol, is that the co-manager? 8)
yes
P.S. this post is olld. a few months to be exact
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Sorry Sean
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Apologies accepted
anyways my idea made that airline go totally bankrupt and we have no planes left
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Apologies accepted
anyways my idea made that airline go totally bankrupt and we have no planes left
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Can you two please write your names in your posts please? It's a bit annoying not knowing which one of you is posting :D
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Apologies accepted
anyways my idea made that airline go totally bankrupt and we have no planes left
thats my idea!
P.S. This is another world, not Holiday Flight
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Apologies accepted
anyways my idea made that airline go totally bankrupt and we have no planes left
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Can you two please write your names in your posts please? It's a bit annoying not knowing which one of you is posting :D
:lol:
you know how annoying it is to write your name after every post?
thats why I put it in the signature
P.S. It is awesome to have your best friend as a co-manager :D