Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => Private World Discussion & Invitation => Topic started by: steex on August 01, 2012, 11:46:34 pm
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I have opened a world where the purpose is essentially to model a real-world airline. Frequency won't be a focus, but the idea is to generally replicate the fleet and routes of a real carrier to the extent possible.
To that end, it would probably be best not to pick very small carriers - however, if you find yourself reaching the size of the real airline with a lot of time left, I might encourage one/all of the following:
1) If creating an airline that has regional affiliates and/or subsidiaries, create those routes as well (I plan to play as United Airlines and include United Express; if someone played as Qantas, it might be reasonable to include the JetStar family; Singapore Airlines could include SilkAir and Scoot; etc.).
2) If the airline has no such affiliates, it might be sensible to add any airlines that may be closely associated or tightly-knit partners (merged-but-separate carriers like BA/IB, AF/KLM, and LAN/TAM come to mind, but this might also include relationships like someone who was American or Delta also building Alaska Airlines as a last resort).
3) If the airline has previously closed hubs, you could include those past operations into your current system (such as someone recreating the peaks of CVG and/or MEM for Delta).
4) Finally, if all else fails, create reasonable growth of your carrier that doesn't exactly replicate the real world. Perhaps a Scandinavian carrier might operate additional holiday charter flights or have an additional hub in Sweden, but it's not likely that it would open a hub in Beijing.
My intention isn't to be the police, but I would request that folks only join if they intend to abide by the spirit of this world! Let's try to keep it fun for everyone.
At any rate, here is the starting info:
Start Year: 2000
Game Length: 10 Years
Starting Gate: 3
Start Aircraft: 5x 737-700
Unlimited Bases/Unlimited Foreign
Starting Cash: 500,000
Maximum Players: 65
Password: rw
The purpose of the unlimited domestic bases is for someone who may be bold enough to undertake a Southwest/Ryanair type carrier, and the unlimited foreign bases are so we have the ability to open overseas focus cities to allow fifth-freedom flights and tags (I'll need a ton of them to recreate UA's NRT and GUM ops, not to mention the GUM-HNL island hopper!).
Based on discussion in the previous thread (http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=13020.0 (http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=13020.0)), the following are anticipated players and their proposed airlines. I'll try to keep the airline list up-to-date as the world goes on to avoid duplicates, so it might be helpful if additional players post their intended carriers as a reply to this thread.
Africa
- EgyptAir / Ethiopian / South African
Asia
- Air China
- Air Asia
- Japan Airlines
- Korean Air
Australasia
- Ansett Australia
Central America
- Volaris (combined with Southwest)
Europe
- Air Europa (combined with Czech Airways)
- AirBerlin
- British Airways
- Brussels Airlines
- Czech Airlines (combined with Air Europa)
- EasyJet (combined with Emirates)
- AF / KLM
- Lufthansa
- SAS
Middle East
- Emirates (combined with EasyJet)
North America
- Air Canada
- American Airlines
- Delta Airlines
- JetBlue
- Southwest Airlines (combined with Volaris)
- United Airlines
South America
- LATAM Group (merged LAN and TAM)
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Hi Im in 8)
I will orientat me on this Lufthansa sites for fleet and rooutmap
http://konzern.lufthansa.com/flotte.html
and
http://lufthansa.innosked.com/(S(efze4x45qbynno45ckvizova))/Default.aspx?lang_id=de&country=de
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Hi Im in 8)
I will orientat me on this Lufthansa sites for fleet and rooutmap
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Sounds great! I assume you're just planning to do Lufthansa routes since we have other members planning to fly as SAS and Brussels Airlines?
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Sounds great! I assume you're just planning to do Lufthansa routes since we have other members planning to fly as SAS and Brussels Airlines?
Well SAS is not Lufthansa family airline as fare as i know.
Brussels Airlines is surely a daughter but i have no interest in Brussels Airline.But will he take Brussels or the predecessor the 3 time deaths SABENA ;-)
Lufthansa is much to big with all daughters.
If someone is in Swiss or Austrian/Tyrolean its also ok for me.
BMI isnt Lufthansa Anymore.
I will focus for the moment on Lufthansa and Lufthansa Regio ( Lufthansa CityLine) not shure about the daugthers/franchise partners/joint Ventures like Air Dolomiti, Augsburg Airways, Contact Air, Eurowings, Germanwings, SunExpress, Luxair,JetBlue,PrivatAir, Lufthansa Cargo, Aerologic, Jade Cargo International and the now closed Lufthansa Italia.
Maybe if i need some of their routs to connect or fill a flight schedule.
The whole Lufthansa Group sounds to much for me.
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I am interested to join this world, if will be possible i want play Southwest Airlines.
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Hi,I want to join this world,and i want to play with Delta Airlines :D
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Just joined as AirBerlin.
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I joined world, i am not now in rankings, as game set me automaticaly as broker, i sent PM to StephenM to move me to the rakings.
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I will not join until mid-August. But I will join! :D
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I'd like to jump in flying for British Airways... but since they're supposedly picky about real world names & logos, I'm going with "British Air". Give me a wave when you land at Heathrow...
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Could I join as Egyptair? Would it be possible to extend as all Star Alliance members in Africa? 10 years is a bit long for Egyptair.
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Sure
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Sorry I have forgot, are we supposed to use a 737 on the routes they are used of can we use a different aircraft in the fleet? Like a 739, A321, F100
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Could I join as Egyptair? Would it be possible to extend as all Star Alliance members in Africa? 10 years is a bit long for Egyptair.
Seems reasonable for one person to cover EgyptAir / South African / Ethiopian.
That also reminds me - I do intend to create Star Alliance at some point and obviously all real-world members will be cleared to join. Use of alliance slots should obviously be limited to those necessary for real operations (for example, United would probably want to use an Ansett slot for SYD-MEL rather than opening a focus city at SYD for that one route). I assume someone will create SkyTeam and oneWorld at some point as well.
Sorry I have forgot, are we supposed to use a 737 on the routes they are used of can we use a different aircraft in the fleet? Like a 739, A321, F100
I think you can fly your aircraft on whichever routes you see fit - the idea is to create accurate routes and fleets, but not necessarily have the real aircraft on each individual route. That would almost certainly make for very inefficient aircraft utilization.
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Hi again, thank you for the reply.
I was thinking, since it seems like KLM don't have any focus cities, could I take Air Frances? (ofc only if no1 plays as Air France)
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I am sorry to ruin the fun here, but it is sadly not allowed to use real world airline names. This means that airlines like KLM and Southwest (and others) would have to change their names. The Airline Branding Center in the forum is the place to ask for another airline name:
http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?board=51.0
Please note that names like KLN and Southwestern would not be a problem.
Thanks for your understanding!
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Just a thought, KLM is not named KLM, so wouldn't it be ok to use?
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Hi again, thank you for the reply.
I was thinking, since it seems like KLM don't have any focus cities, could I take Air Frances? (ofc only if no1 plays as Air France)
Makes sense to me, I've put you down for both.
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I am sorry to ruin the fun here, but it is sadly not allowed to use real world airline names. This means that airlines like KLM and Southwest (and others) would have to change their names. The Airline Branding Center in the forum is the place to ask for another airline name:
http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?board=51.0
Please note that names like KLN and Southwestern would not be a problem.
Thanks for your understanding!
Name is changed to KLM-AF, I assume that is fine?
Hi again, thank you for the reply.
I was thinking, since it seems like KLM don't have any focus cities, could I take Air Frances? (ofc only if no1 plays as Air France)
Makes sense to me, I've put you down for both.
Thank you very much :D
And on a different note, Sky Team alliance has been formed!
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Can I do a combination? Because American and Alaska Airlines are pretty good business partners. May I? :) if Not then I choose American... but I would love to join this world.
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Can I do a combination? Because American and Alaska Airlines are pretty good business partners. May I? :) if Not then I choose American... but I would love to join this world.
I would recommend starting out with just AA, but it seems reasonable to eventually add AS as well in time if/when you outgrow AA.
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Also since we are not aloud to use real airline names, I just added the word North to it so it's "North American Airlines"
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What about me becoming a broker?(airberlin)
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What about me becoming a broker?(airberlin)
Sorry there no reason, even i am playing, i have still brokerage functions available as i am official broker.
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I've joined this world, replicating Air Canada (Air Canadian). Should be a good challenge.
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Come on guys, we need some sky team airlines! :D
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And OneWorld too!
I just want to give interested players a heads up, as we do now have an active official game broker in the world. South/Central America is kind of empty, and so is Asia. And the Middle East would also like some airlines!
Join the fun :D
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Hi All,
Would like to join as AirAsian (AirAsia). Can I include all AirAsia subsidiaries (AK, FD, QZ, PQ, D7, JW)?
Will probably start will AK and establish subsidiaries in Chronological order :)
Cheers
Eric
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Hi All,
Would like to join as AirAsian (AirAsia). Can I include all AirAsia subsidiaries (AK, FD, QZ, PQ, D7, JW)?
Will probably start will AK and establish subsidiaries in Chronological order :)
Cheers
Eric
You're free to create all of the Air Asia brands/subsidiaries. I'll update the list accordingly!
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Oneworld Alliance has been formed by British Air as Oneglobe. Feel free to join up!
Thanks!
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We need some more Sky Team airlines, here is some interesting ones that are still free:
Americas:
AeroMexico
Europe:
Alitalia
Air Europa
Czech Airlines
Asia:
Korean Air
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Just joined as Korean A. Somehow Air got truncated to A. Based in Incheon.
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Good to hear, we need some more Asian carriers :D
And feel free to join me in Africa too ;) Otherwise Central America should be empty, and South America has only one carrier.
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First 27 routes are up. Looks like I have some work to do in Korea first before I expand anywhere else.
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Cale, feel free to join the Sky Team alliance (Sky Union in game)
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I will join as Czech Airways (Czech Airlines)
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Well, then you too shall be welcome to join Sky Union :D
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Yes. I shall join the Sky Union. :)
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I'm confused here.
I thought the objective here is to create a real airline, but I noticed that Ansett Australia has moved into Incheon International Airport. As Korean A(ir) I'm a bit confused because as far as I can tell, Incheon International Airport has two major real-life carriers: Korean and Asiana. I can't seem to find an airline that has bases in the following airports:
- Sydney Airport
- Adelaide
- Brisbane
- Hong Kong - Chek Lap Kok International
- Incheon International
- Melbourne Tullamarine International
- Perth
- Tokyo Haneda International
One of the reasons I entered this world is because it was a great opportunity to simulate the routes and fleet of a real airline and if Ansett Australian was mimicking Asiana, I would welcome the competition, especially because Korean and Asiana have different fleets and different routes both domestically and internationally.
This just doesn't seem to be the case I am hoping for some clarification.
Thanks,
- Caleb
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I'm confused here.
I thought the objective here is to create a real airline, but I noticed that Ansett Australia has moved into Incheon International Airport. As Korean A(ir) I'm a bit confused because as far as I can tell, Incheon International Airport has two major real-life carriers: Korean and Asiana.
One of the reasons I entered this world is because it was a great opportunity to simulate the routes and fleet of a real airline and if Ansett Australian was mimicking Asiana, I would welcome the competition, especially because Korean and Asiana have different fleets and different routes both domestically and internationally.
This just doesn't seem to be the case I am hoping for some clarification.
Thanks,
- Caleb
I'm aware of the problem and have contacted each of the offending airlines without any response. I guess the question is what do people want me to do about it? I can boot them out of the world or force them into a reset, but that's really the only recourse I have.
I'm open to suggestion.
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They don't follow the rules, they shall be forced to reset, if they continue, they shall be kicked.
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I wouldn't reset their airline right off. I know that I occasionally spend time away from my airline.
See if there's a creative answer. With British Air, I've started recreating subsidaries and franchises of British Airways. I even built the direct Qantus codeshares because Qantus doesn't exist in this world. If you're stuck, add a new carrier, but announce this in the world message boards. EasyJet did an excellent job of adding Emirates.
However, if they are still growing but not responding to the messages, they're ignoring them.
I would suggest:
1) asking them to either explain their expansion or close the incorrect hubs.
2) warn them that the rules are guidelines, but blatantly ignoring them is unacceptable. Warn them that if they persist or ignore the warning, their airline will be reset.
3) reset their airline with the warning that repeat behavior will result in removal.
4) remove the airline from the world.
The world requires a password to join. If they didn't read the rules, that is their mistake. If they had no intention of following the spirit of the rules, then they shouldn't be part of a world that has rules. Most of us joined, expecting to follow the rules.
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I wouldn't reset their airline right off. I know that I occasionally spend time away from my airline.
See if there's a creative answer. With British Air, I've started recreating subsidaries and franchises of British Airways. I even built the direct Qantus codeshares because Qantus doesn't exist in this world. If you're stuck, add a new carrier, but announce this in the world message boards. EasyJet did an excellent job of adding Emirates.
However, if they are still growing but not responding to the messages, they're ignoring them.
I would suggest:
1) asking them to either explain their expansion or close the incorrect hubs.
2) warn them that the rules are guidelines, but blatantly ignoring them is unacceptable. Warn them that if they persist or ignore the warning, their airline will be reset.
3) reset their airline with the warning that repeat behavior will result in removal.
4) remove the airline from the world.
The world requires a password to join. If they didn't read the rules, that is their mistake. If they had no intention of following the spirit of the rules, then they shouldn't be part of a world that has rules. Most of us joined, expecting to follow the rules.
This sounds good to me.
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Quick Update on Korean A(ir):
Link to airline (http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/show_airline.php?id=27386&wid=2396)
Bases
ICN/RKSI Incheon International (45 flights)
GMP/RKSS Gimpo International (9 flights)
CJU/RKPC Jeju International (14 flights)
PUS/RKPK Gimhae (Busan) International (13 flights)
(KIX/RJBB Osaka - Kansai International has 4 flights as well - not yet an base in game)
Daily Pax: 26,371
Fleet
1x Airbus A330-200 (+1 on order), 5x Boeing 737-700, 2x Boeing 737-800, 5x Boeing 737-900
Routes
Domestic (within Korea):
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=GMP-KWJ,ICN-GMP,ICN-CJJ,CJU-CJJ,ICN-CJU,GMP-PUS,ICN-PUS,CJU-PUS,ICN-TAE,CJU-TAE,GMP-USN,ICN-USN,CJU-USN,GMP-RSU,CJU-RSU,CJU-HIN,CJU-KUV,ICN-WJU,CJU-WJU,%0d%0aC:orange,ICN-FNJ&MS=wls&MR=60&MX=540x540&PM=b:disc7%2b%22%25t%25+%28N%22)
This includes a daily "charter" to N. Korean (shown in orange).
Short and Medium Haul (Japan, North and Eastern China, Russia):
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=GMP-HND,ICN-HND,GMP-PEK,ICN-PEK,CJU-PEK,PUS-PEK,ICN-NRT,CJU-NRT,PUS-NRT,ICN-KMQ,ICN-NGS,ICN-KIJ,GMP-KIX,ICN-KIX,CJU-KIX,PUS-KIX,ICN-NGO,CJU-NGO,PUS-NGO,ICN-CTS,PUS-CTS,ICN-OIT,ICN-CJU,ICN-HKD,ICN-VVO,ICN-FUK,PUS-FUK,GMP-PUS,ICN-PUS,CJU-PUS,ICN-TAO,PUS-TAO,ICN-TSN,ICN-TNA,ICN-DLC,ICN-SHE,ICN-WEH,ICN-YNJ,ICN-KOJ,ICN-OKJ,ICN-AXT,ICN-AOJ&MS=wls&MR=180&MX=720x360&PM=b:disc7%2b%22%25t%25+%28N%22)
Short and Medium Haul (Southeastern China, Vietnam):
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ICN-HAN%0d%0aICN-KMG%0d%0aICN-XIY%0d%0aICN-HKG%0d%0aICN-SZX%0d%0aICN-CAN%0d%0aICN-CSX%0d%0aICN-TXN%0d%0aICN-PVG%0d%0aICN-CGO%0d%0aGMP-SHA%0d%0aPUS-PVG%0d%0aPUS-HKG%0d%0aPUS-MNL&MS=wls&MR=180&MX=540x540&PM=b:disc7%2b%22%25t%25+%28N%22)
Long Haul (England and UAE):
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ICN-LHR%0d%0aICN-DXB&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=b:disc7%2b%22%25t%25+%28N%22)
A few FAQs:
- The most common destination outside of our bases is China's Beijing Capital International with 4 flights daily. This represents 6.53% of Beijing Capital's traffic. Cheng Je, Nagoya - Central Japan International, Tokyo Narita International, and Ulsan Airport are all served 3x daily.
- Korean Air operates 76 routes across 50 destinations.
- The airspace between Incheon International and Jeju International is most frequently traveled, twice daily with the 739.
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Can Czech Airways (myself) now also operate Air Europa (as AeroEuropa)??? Sorta of like Easyjet and Emirates.
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Can Czech Airways (myself) now also operate Air Europa (as AeroEuropa)??? Sorta of like Easyjet and Emirates.
Works for me, please change your airline name accordingly. I'll update the first post.
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Thank You :)