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on: June 29, 2008, 06:25:38 pm
As I have just joined, I am still on my starter airplane until I have enough game money to lease or buy another one.  I have my departure gate set for Orlando International (MCO/KMCO).  My airline is Pegasus as is my user name.  My airline id is 14466 and my airline code is MCO.  I will need some advice for how to grow my airline the best way at least for the short term then I hope to be able to start helping others.  Since I am still on my starter plane with no others available at this time, I need advice on how far that plane can fly and it might be best for me to be part of an alliance that has gates available within the range of my plane.
ichelle T. aka Pegasus



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Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 06:42:35 pm
I'll give you advice for free - no need to join an alliance.

Give me a few minutes while I look for your airline in game...
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Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 07:10:22 pm
Hokay; to answer your questions, and a few pointers...


- The starting aircraft (Nord 260 Super Broussard) is listed at a max range of 621 NM. But there is a bug in the game with some aircraft, this being one of them. The real max range is 620 NM for it.

- You rented an extra gate at MCO. You currently don't have enough routes to fill in your original slots from the first two gates. Better to return the gates which you can't use, as you'll pay for them needlessly.

- You have multiple frequencies on your only route. Common newbie mistake that. Multiple freqs. are for specialty cases only. You'll make far more money if you use your aircraft to go to several destinations at one frequency each.

- Go to all the nearest airports first - not necessarily the largest. That way you get more routes out of your starting aircraft.

- In this world, and for a starter airline, there is no plane that beats the 'Antonov An-2P' at under 557 NM range. As soon as you have enough cash, buy or lease some. Put them on routes immediately. You'll grow quickly. In a day or two, you can move on to other aircraft types.

- Alliances aren't everything they are cracked up to be. It really depends on their membership more than anything else. You can be a major airline - just as effectively - if you operate alone.

- If you want to help other people, do so by being honest and nice. You'll attract others to you.

- Look at the airlines in game which you think are doing well. Try to figure what they are doing, or ask their owners how they did it. Remember though; airline value does not necessarily equate a well run airline. Airlines that start in small regions and airports have a more difficult time in increasing value, than one which starts at larger ones (Orlando is considered a very large airport, by the way).

- Read the forums, especially in the General Chat area. Ignore all the DOP nonsense threads. Ask questions if you're not sure about something.


If you need any more help, just PM me here, or message me in game.
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Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 07:51:43 pm
Okay, making the changes suggested in your reply, Fleur-de-Lis and noting them as I make the changes.

1st point about the aircraft, I had trouble finding the specifications on the airplanes especially my starter airplane and the distances between different airports which resulted in renting some gates that were too far away from Orlando and then returning them when found out could not run to them (OUCH!! BIG money water there!)

2nd point, I have returned the extra gate but I now have two at MCO and one at Atlanta - should I return the second MCO gate?  Was not sure since you mentioned my having only one extra.

3rd point, I changed to only a single frequency and find that with some fiddling around with the ticket prices by comparing with the competition there that I seem to be maximized for possible earnings on the route I am running.

4th point, I originally started running between MCO and Melbourne International (which is in Melbourne, FL as I well know because I have flown to/from it when visiting my relatives in Florida) but returned the gate there when I figured out I could make more money flying between MCO and ATL.

5th point, I will keep this particular thread bookmarked so it will be easy to find when I have enough money to buy another plane.

6th, 7th, 8th and 9th points are best for me to keep uppermost in my mind for this game - but as to MCO being considered to be a very large airport, maybe I should have taken Melbourne International (MLB) as my home city (heck, I grew up there so I am pretty sure that is considered a smaller airport, I know they cannot take the bigger airplanes there in real life, they tend to use regional aircraft to fly into there).
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Reply #4 on: June 29, 2008, 09:47:03 pm
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Okay, making the changes suggested in your reply, Fleur-de-Lis and noting them as I make the changes.

1st point about the aircraft, I had trouble finding the specifications on the airplanes especially my starter airplane and the distances between different airports which resulted in renting some gates that were too far away from Orlando and then returning them when found out could not run to them (OUCH!! BIG money water there!)


Go to the "View and Buy" menu (Under "Aircraft" tab in game). There's something marked to the right of all aircraft in that list called "Info". Click on that for all the planes specifications.

Go to the "research Route" menu (Under the "Routes" tab in game). Then input the names of the origin / destination airports. It'll give you the distance, as well as, which aircraft types can actually run that route. Do that first, if you are unsure  - before buying gates and spending route research costs needlessly.

A lot of this can be answered if you would read the Game's Manual. Admin tab in game, Game Manual menu.


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2nd point, I have returned the extra gate but I now have two at MCO and one at Atlanta - should I return the second MCO gate?  Was not sure since you mentioned my having only one extra.


If you believe that you can fill at least 11 slots from Orlando (but from what you're saying, I doubt you'll get the money for additional aircraft now) before the month changes, then keep them. If not then return one. I nearly always return one of my two starting gates when I start a new game.


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3rd point, I changed to only a single frequency and find that with some fiddling around with the ticket prices by comparing with the competition there that I seem to be maximized for possible earnings on the route I am running.


Good.


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4th point, I originally started running between MCO and Melbourne International (which is in Melbourne, FL as I well know because I have flown to/from it when visiting my relatives in Florida) but returned the gate there when I figured out I could make more money flying between MCO and ATL.


You'll make more money flying many short routes, compared to a few longer ones. But you'll learn this soon enough.

Not saying it is wrong to fly to Atlanta, in fact it a generally a good thing to fly to the largest airport in the whole game. I was just giving a general strategy above. If my plane could only fly once to Atlanta in a day, compared to flying to five or six smaller airports, I would forget ATL till later on. It's just basic math.


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5th point, I will keep this particular thread bookmarked so it will be easy to find when I have enough money to buy another plane.


I'd change the thread title to something like: " New Player Advice Needed - World #9". You can edit it in by clicking on the "edit" button. Soon enough a moderator will move the entire thread to the General Chat forum. This does not belong in the Alliances forum any more.


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6th, 7th, 8th and 9th points are best for me to keep uppermost in my mind for this game - but as to MCO being considered to be a very large airport, maybe I should have taken Melbourne International (MLB) as my home city (heck, I grew up there so I am pretty sure that is considered a smaller airport, I know they cannot take the bigger airplanes there in real life, they tend to use regional aircraft to fly into there).


This "game" does not reflect real life in many aspects. It's generally considered better to start in cities with large PAX amounts, if your goal is to become a monster airline. That's every airport with a gate cost of 350K.
Other people try to mimic real life airlines, while others play for other goals. All depends on what you want to do.
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Reply #5 on: June 29, 2008, 10:15:06 pm
About filling slots before the end of the month, would that be before the end of the game month or the end of the month in real life - the game month should end in 23 days (it is currently the eighth day of August 1961 in the game) but the end of the month in real life is Monday which is tomorrow.  Right now, I can not do any buying of any sort because I am in the red and it looks like it will be about 5-6 game days before I am back in the black.

Off to read the game manual.  Could not find it before I started playing the game - I hate when that happens unless it is a game like minesweeper (has to do with how simple I find minesweeper to be).

This is an add on that I did as an edit - what is PAX - I keep seeing it in posts but cannot find a reference to it in the game manual.
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Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 06:26:00 am
Most often; people mean game time, when referring to days, months, (and sometimes) years.

1 real life hour =  1 game day.
24 real life hours = 1 game month.
12 real life days = 1 game year.

So World #9, for example, will take 120 real life days (about 4 months) for the game to be played out fully.


"PAX" is an acronym for "passengers".
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Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 09:08:11 am
@ Fleur-de-Lis

Your advice really worked for me. I am a newbie and I almost lost it in the first month itself. But after i followed the advice you gave here, now I can not only survive, but expand too. Thx

PS: I just noticed, I even bought an acft from you  :wink:
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Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 11:35:50 am
The market is flooded with em from Fleur on the worlds he is in  :P


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Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 12:11:06 pm
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The market is flooded with em from Fleur on the worlds he is in  :P

And I'm in his alliance.  We get overflow :shock: :lol:


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Reply #10 on: July 11, 2008, 12:48:09 pm
Don't be afraid, were on Fleur-de-Lis's Ark now... (in W3)

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Reply #11 on: July 11, 2008, 12:48:52 pm
If theres anything else you want to know, I could help, too :D


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Reply #12 on: July 11, 2008, 02:58:30 pm
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If theres anything else you want to know, I could help, too :D


Thx a lot... had a doubt actually. Regarding the Holiday mode. The 5 weeks inactivity mentioned...... its real life time right, coz if not, then im in deep *vegetable*. Coz in real life i work for an airline and not run one and there are times when i have no access to the internet for days.

Thx in advance.

PS: im sorry for hijacking this thread    :oops:
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Reply #13 on: July 11, 2008, 03:08:49 pm
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Regarding the Holiday mode. The 5 weeks inactivity mentioned...... its real life time

Yes, it is RealLife™. As far as I know, there aren't even "weeks" in AM. :D


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Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 03:16:39 pm
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Regarding the Holiday mode. The 5 weeks inactivity mentioned...... its real life time

Yes, it is RealLife™. As far as I know, there aren't even "weeks" in AM. :D


Thx. Now i can go in peace  :D . Can i trouble you with one more doubt????

Suppose you have 2 bases A & B. And from both these places you fly to C. Now can you have a flight which does A->C->B???? (Apologies for a really silly ques)
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