Sud Aviation Caravelle

[pseudoswede]

Are there plans to have the earlier versions (I, IA, III, and/or VI) of this aircraft in the game?

[Air Elbonia]

If you can find the data (some source(s) which list it at least) and get it to us, we can probably get it in sooner then later.  Always planning on getting all the aircraft we can which seat at least 9, or seat 8 and have significant historical value or incredible convenience of data.  We prefer 9+ seats though.

speed:
range:
engines:
cockpit crew:
capacity (max preferably):
release date:

[Pilgrim]

AS from Janes All the Worlds Aircraft 1970-71:

Caravelle I :

Range: 2000km max payload, 2600km ferry
Speed: 805kmh max, 762kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 522 Turbojets, 11000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 80
Entry into Service: Feb 1959 (SAS*)

Caravelle IA :

Range: 2150km max payload, 2700km ferry
Speed: 815kmh max, 775kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 522A Turbojets, 11800lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 80
Entry into Service: May 1959 (Air France)

Caravelle III:

Range: 2300km max payload, 2800km ferry
Speed: 845kmh max, 785kmh typical
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 532R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: April 1960 (Alitalia)

Ill see about posting the VI-R/VI-N, 10R, 11R, 12 and Super 12B specs later today...

*= this is an interesting trivia tidbit... SAS flew a commercial flight 3 days before Air France with a demonstrator... Caused a diplomatic incident at the time.

[Pilgrim]

ok here we go:

Caravelle VI-N:

Range: 2500km
Speed: 845kmh
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 533R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: January 1961


Caravelle VI-R:

Range: 2560km
Speed: 845kmh
Engines: 2x Rolls Royce Avon 533R Turbojets, 12600lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: July 1961

Caravelle 10-R:

Range: 3295km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 89
Entry into Service: Sept 1965

Caravelle Super 10B:

Range: 2655km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 104
Entry into Service: July 1964

Caravelle 11-R:

Range: 3365km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 99
Entry into Service: April 1967

Caravelle 12:

Range: 2740km
Speed: 800kmh
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney JT8D-7 Turbofans 14000lbs st each
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 112
Entry into Service: November 1970

[Pilgrim]

BTW if there any other data you guys want out of Janes' let me know.

[Air Elbonia]

Hows about, if there's any other planes out of Janes you want to see in game...

[Pilgrim]

ok i'll give it some though  

[dktc]

How about just scanning the whole book in and email us at staff?

[Pilgrim]

How about just scanning the whole book in and email us at staff?

Umm... lets see... 1020 pages in the 70-71 one alone... so at 2 minutes to scan and process each page... 2040 minutes... so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well anyways i dont think my poor scanner would take the work... the book alone would probably crush it.

And then i have 75-76, 80-81, 85-86, 91-92, 94-95... and a reproduction of 1945 AND i have a bunch of other sources. See if i had the time i would of applied for the aircraft editor position, i just don't have the time reliably nor really the desire...

But i can type some in for ya...

Like the other Constellations, the Canadair DC-4M, The Viscount 800, etc...

When i get home tonight  

[dktc]

so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well

hmm... then I may need to charge you for 6 hours a day, $10/hr, for as long as you have played and will be playing AM to provide you with any degree of support. Thanks for your generousity
(oh... and that is only for me. Any technical support involving Will or Stephen would cost you more )

[Pilgrim]

so if you wanna pay me for 34 hours work at $95 an hour+expenses (going consultant rate for me)... well

hmm... then I may need to charge you for 6 hours a day, $10/hr, for as long as you have played and will be playing AM to provide you with any degree of support. Thanks for your generousity
(oh... and that is only for me. Any technical support involving Will or Stephen would cost you more )

ummm... yea ok, lets just call it even ok? Don't wanna go there especially since this is the season of giving

anyways here we go:

Lockheed L-049 Constellation:

Range: 2214km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-50 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 60
Entry into Service: February 1946

Lockheed L-649 Constellation:

Range: 2792km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: March 1947

Lochheed L-749 Constellation

Range: 3219km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: May 1947


Lochheed L-749A Constellation

Range: 3330km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-65 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 81
Entry into Service: March 1949

Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation

Range: 4409km
Speed: 483kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-749C18DB-1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: December 1951

Lockheed L-1049C Super Constellation

Range: 5219km
Speed: 483kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: August 1953


Lockheed L-1049E Super Constellation

Range: 7753km
Speed: 533kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-972TC18DA1 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: August 1954

Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation "Super G" w/o tip tanks

Range: 7614km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-3 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: January 1955

Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation "Super G" with tip tanks

Range: 8614km
Speed: 557kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-87TC18DA-3 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 109
Entry into Service: January 1955
(closest match to existing Super Constellation in the game)


Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner

Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957


Canadair DC-4M2-3 NorthStar Mk1

Range: 3914km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Merlin 622
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 62
Entry into Service: January 1947

Canadair DC-4M2-4 NorthStar Mk2

Range: 5505km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Merlin 632
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 68
Entry into Service: October 1948


Vickers V802 Viscount

Range: 2550km
Speed: 523kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Dart 525Da-3 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 3
Max passenger capacity: 75
Entry into Service: January 1957


Vickers V810 Viscount

Range: 2773km
Speed: 563kmh
Engines: 4x Rolls Royce Dart 525Da-7 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 3
Max passenger capacity: 75
Entry into Service: January 1958

[Pilgrim]

Ok lets see... what else...

Convair/Canadair CV-540/CL-66C

Range: 1745km
Speed: 500kmh
Engines: 2x Napier Eland N. E1.1 Turboprops
Cockpit Crew: 2
Max passenger capacity: 54 (or as CV440)
Entry into Service: July 1960

Well if i think of any more ill post them tommorow.

[Jps]

Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner

Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957

Would love to have them in 1957   ... long range...  :wink:

Finally somebody who actually knows Rolls Royce Darts can do better!

Who ever provided the info for the Vickers in the game... reconsider where you get the info.

[Pilgrim]

Lockheed L-1649 Constellation Starliner

Range: 11080km
Speed: 505kmh
Engines: 4x Wright R-3350-988TC18EA-12 radials
Cockpit Crew: 3 or 4
Max passenger capacity: 115
Entry into Service: February 1957

Would love to have them in 1957   ... long range...  :wink:

Mmm, good thing the reality of the Starliner doesn't come through in stats... to get max range it flew really slow (so slow that on some days an L1649 flying SFO-LHR non-stop would arrive AFTER an L1049 doing it with one stop in Boston that left 20 minutes later and spent over an hour on the ground in Boston!), at max speed its range was only marginally higher than the L-1049G with tip tanks.

But the Starliner was techincally the longest range airliner in the west until the DC-8-50 came along... the Tu-114D was the longest range in the world most of that period...

[dktc]

Just a question (and no offence), what did you get the data again? I can't find the range (at least not those listed) in Jane's All the World's Aircraft 70~71. Viscount, connies, etc. aren't even in it (probably in another year). Please kindly clarify.