Have your say, What year do we start in?

FWA2500 · **Reply #120 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:33:34 am

well, then if the DC-3 wont be the starter, what will it be? a Lockheed Lodestar or Electra?

the DC-3 really is the best choice. it is the plane that sooooo many real airlines started with in that time period...it just makes sense.

from wiki:

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After the war, thousands of surplus C-47s were converted to civil service and became the standard equipment of almost all the world's airlines, remaining in front-line service for many years...

747-300 · **Reply #121 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:53:16 am

32 why? the max configuration is 8 lines in 1-2 configuration :shock:

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But you have to take into account that this is 1950 and not 2000.

the DC-3 is the most used civil airplane of the history, what's the problem to start with him??? :?

hmm... no problem with starting with a B747-400 as well I guess

we are talking about a DC-3, not a Boeing 377 or a L-1049 :?

well, if the seats are the problem, a DC-2 is the solution, the max seat capacity is 14 :wink:

FWA2500 · **Reply #122 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:54:07 am

besides, if we were to start in 1955 as i sugested, the DC-3 would be small...the 707 and most other 1st gen. jets will be out (as well as the much larger prop-liners like the Connies and B377), efectively dwarfing the DC-3 in the way that a 767 dwarfs the ATR-72....

LOT 737-300 · **Reply #123 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:56:49 am

I don't know, I did read somewhere that the Lusiov Li-2 (Soviet built DC-3s) could fit up to 30 people inside. I would maybe imagine this is more in a military transport role, you know, transporting paratroopers and such, since I guess it would take a pretty stripped interior.

I have a feeling our starting craft is gonna be A) Ju-52, B) PZL P.44 or C) DC-2. For the early 50s, I guess we can sorta consider the DC-3 to be the equivlant to what the 737 is today.

I know about the large number of DC-3s made. But I guess we'll have to leave historical events and similar things out for now and pretend they didn't happen it appears.

747-300 · **Reply #124 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:57:28 am

Quote from: "FWA2500"

besides, if we were to start in 1955 as i sugested, the DC-3 would be small...the 707 and most other 1st gen. jets will be out, efectively dwarfing the DC-3 in the way that a 767 dwarfs the ATR-72....

the first 707 flight happened in December 20, 1957, and the production started in 1958, the Comet was the first jet :wink:

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I don't know, I did read somewhere that the Lusiov Li-2 (Soviet built DC-3s) could fit up to 30 people inside. I would maybe imagine this is more in a military transport role, you know, transporting paratroopers and such, since I guess it would take a pretty stripped interior.

I have a feeling our starting craft is gonna be A) Ju-52, B) PZL P.44 or C) DC-2. For the early 50s, I guess we can sorta consider the DC-3 to be the equivlant to what the 737 is today.

I know about the large number of DC-3s made. But I guess we'll have to leave historical events and similar things out for now and pretend they didn't happen it appears.

i vote in A

Max2147 · **Reply #125 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:03:04 am

Quote from: "FWA2500"

besides, if we were to start in 1955 as i sugested, the DC-3 would be small...the 707 and most other 1st gen. jets will be out (as well as the much larger prop-liners like the Connies and B377), efectively dwarfing the DC-3 in the way that a 767 dwarfs the ATR-72....

In 1955 there weren't any jet airliners flying in commercial service.

- The Comet had entered service in 1952 but had been grounded in 1954, not to re-enter service until 1958.
- The Tu-104 first flew in mid-1955, but didn't enter service until 1956.
- The Caravelle flew slightly before the Tu-104, but didn't enter service until after the Russian jet.
- The Boeing 367-80 flew in 1954, but it was simply a technology demonstrator (NOT the 707 prototype, as many have incorrectly stated).
- The actual 707 prototype didn't fly until late 1957, and the 707 didn't enter service until 1958.
- The DC-8 didn't fly until 1958, and entered service in 1959.

FWA2500 · **Reply #126 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:03:45 am

was only using the 707 as the example because its more popular....

Comet
Avro Canada Jetliner
Tu-104
B707
DC-8
CV880

Max2147 · **Reply #127 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:05:29 am

Quote from: "FWA2500"

was only using the 707 as the example because its more popular....

Comet
Avro Canada Jetliner
Tu-104
B707
DC-8
CV880

None of which were in service in 1955.

Max2147 · **Reply #128 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:08:44 am

I don't think a DC-3 ever held 32 people. A C-47 might have in military configuration.

If you're going to go with maximum people a plane can carry then you have to make the 747-200 carry 1,122 people.

747-300 · **Reply #129 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:09:26 am

max said all, the Comet had entered in service in 52, but had been grounded in 54, no jet entered in service before 1958 :wink:

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I don't think a DC-3 ever held 32 people. A C-47 might have in military configuration.

If you're going to go with maximum people a plane can carry then you have to make the 747-200 carry 1,122 people.

1122 with the baby???

FWA2500 · **Reply #130 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:10:42 am

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I don't think a DC-3 ever held 32 people. A C-47 might have in military configuration.

ya, and most of the time when it did, they exited the plane mid-flight....i doubt our pax. want to do that

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and why is everyone hating on the prop-liners? have you never met one in person (static desplays and in museums dont count)? they are pure magic......yes, i love jets too, but man...we would be nowhere without the great radial engined airlines.....

radials were THE standard engine of the time period (50s-mid/early 60s)....jets were rare and something extreamly special to see, like how the JT8D's were THE standard powerplant of the 70s and 80s with the SSTs (Concorde and Tu-144) being the rare specialty.....

then again, i work at an airport and am in contact with piston powered planes constantly which gives me a great appriciation for props....

dktc · **Reply #131 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:14:48 am

-sigh-

Fact is I don't care!

This is a poll for when we start out of 2 options. Definitely not a poll as to what we start with. The more you guys bug me (esp. the ones who pm me about it), the more likely you would get a DH.84 or DH.89 for starter

Steeler83 · **Reply #132 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:16:56 am

I say we start in 1960. Reasons were already discussed as to why. I am just agreeing with them. I'd like to get my hands on 727s, DC9s and 707s sooner than later anyway... :-):-)

747-300 · **Reply #133 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:19:08 am

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-sigh-

Fact is I don't care!

This is a poll for when we start out of 2 options. Definitely not a poll as to what we start with. The more you guys bug me (esp. the ones who pm me about it), the more likely you would get a DH.84 or DH.89 for starter

i will stop from talk about the DC-3 now....

rodendack · **Reply #134 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:24:10 am

btw, are cathering services and prices ready for this coming round?