Anyone else have a 'hurt' airline created for them??

[JDubman]

growth in competetive games inherently increases competition. this implicitly results in people who have been in the game before others ending up being annoyed with the game because "its not like the good old days". thats normal process in every computergame and even thing called life. i like competition.

I agree.  i loved the good old days when you'd only have like 2 or 3 competing airlines at the same base as yours.  Also, they typically didnt sell $1 fares either.  Now, you have $1 fares, and like 15 airlines sharing bases.

Yes, I LOVE competition, don't get me wrong there.  But I feel that it has just gotten out of control to a point where it makes the game less fun (for me at least).  With so many airlines, I personally have found the game less fun than it was before when we capped the registration number.  I stopped playing the game about 1 month ago and am anxious for the reset because I have gotten sick of doing "damage control" on a bi-daily basis, rather than focusing on expansion, which is the fun part and not having to worry too much about fixing my airline.

Could we just cap the registration like we did before?  It'd be cool if we could limit the number of airlines, or open up multiple worlds with limited airlines (which I think is being discussed).

-JDubman, CEO Allure Airways (230)

[ALFC]

you can still make money on routes where fares are around 20

[dktc]

Could we just cap the registration like we did before?  It'd be cool if we could limit the number of airlines, or open up multiple worlds with limited airlines (which I think is being discussed).

I have talked to Stephen about closing registration for several times, but he doesn't see a need in doing so.

Multi-worlds is high up on Will's list, and he has started some backend changes regarding it.

[Blue Sky Mine]

you can still make money on routes where fares are around 20

That's right, but you won't be making any money for new planes.

[Daemonfly]

I keep loggin in to 0% load factors, etc... and I'm considering just changing all my problem routes to $1 until the end of this round     A certain airline has shown up on a lot of routes I had solo, and a few others where most of us were sharing quite well, and always tries to take all the passengers.

[Armygrognard]

A certain airline has shown up on a lot of routes I had solo, and a few others where most of us were sharing quite well, and always tries to take all the passengers.

Free enterprise.  Or maybe Stephen could change the name to Airline Socialist and ban free enterprise!

   

[Mjolnir]

A certain airline has shown up on a lot of routes I had solo, and a few others where most of us were sharing quite well, and always tries to take all the passengers.

This complaint would have merit if I didn't find 1 uncontested route a day with revenues in the $75,000 to $100,000 DOP range.

I also know several cities in Europe with 1.5 million to 2.5 million passengers each with either no flights or only one .5 flight to New York (JFK) and other east coast american cities.

You guys could be buying big jets and laying them on these routes all day long, but you haven't bothered to. Instead you build up large idle fleets and huge bank accounts and complain about 1 euro routes between London and Paris.

It's awful hard to take the complaints about competition from us noobs seriously when the more senior players haven't even fully exploited what they already have.

[MrOrange]

Do consider the number of routes a large airline typically has, and the fact that to survive as a big airline, you cannot create routes to smaller, unserviced destinations only. You have to go to the busy ones as well if you ever want to stand a chance of surviving. In that respect, it can be so much easier to be a small airline with some low-level routes that have no competition at all. You don't have to grow. Besides, you try to make a €100.000 profit flying a widebody from a large airport to a small airport. It doesn't work. I tried Groningen - New York LaGuardia with a 747-400ER and I couldn't possibly break even.

[SJR]

I beg to differ since i started from Carlisle with my airline and for a short time i stayed of the scope, the same happened when i moved on and started to base at Kent and then Paderborn was next followed shortly by Larnaca, Torino and Vigo. I picked low profile airports and used small aircraft until i was big enough to take on some of the bigger players in the game. I now have a worth of 4 billion and 169 aircraft having only been playing for a maximum of three months i reckon two. I fly globally. I do however think there is a limit to how many members a game such as this can have without having more than one game world. My personal cap would have been at 3000 to 3500.

[Daemonfly]

Half the problem is the whole $1 under takes 100% of the passengers thing.

[dktc]

Half the problem is the whole $1 under takes 100% of the passengers thing.

Reality is always troublesome :wink:

[Air Elbonia]

I beg to differ since i started from Carlisle with my airline and for a short time i stayed of the scope, the same happened when i moved on and started to base at Kent and then Paderborn was next followed shortly by Larnaca, Torino and Vigo. I picked low profile airports and used small aircraft until i was big enough to take on some of the bigger players in the game. I now have a worth of 4 billion and 169 aircraft having only been playing for a maximum of three months i reckon two. I fly globally. I do however think there is a limit to how many members a game such as this can have without having more than one game world. My personal cap would have been at 3000 to 3500.

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going off active, we're far from that limit, going off total, we passed it a bit, but not terribly bad.

Multiworlds, will be hairpulling, but good.  It will be the top priority of myself and stephen during next age... hopefully we won't break anything too serious in the preperation stages for it.  Each world will probably wind up with a seperate cap.  Which reminds me. i need to make a thread.

[Blue Sky Mine]

A certain airline has shown up on a lot of routes I had solo, and a few others where most of us were sharing quite well, and always tries to take all the passengers.

This complaint would have merit if I didn't find 1 uncontested route a day with revenues in the $75,000 to $100,000 DOP range.

I also know several cities in Europe with 1.5 million to 2.5 million passengers each with either no flights or only one .5 flight to New York (JFK) and other east coast american cities.

You guys could be buying big jets and laying them on these routes all day long, but you haven't bothered to. Instead you build up large idle fleets and huge bank accounts and complain about 1 euro routes between London and Paris.

It's awful hard to take the complaints about competition from us noobs seriously when the more senior players haven't even fully exploited what they already have.

But you do know that the gates at certain locations in Northern America and Asia are very rare? Ever tried to get a gate at JFK (Wootwoot, I got one ) or at Montreal?

Can be kinda hard sometimes. And at the moment you'd also have problems aquiring enough longhaul planes. Lease market is emptied of anything bigger than an A321 except for the 772LR, which is kinda ridiculous for a route from WE to the eastcoast.

[MrOrange]

I beg to differ since i started from Carlisle with my airline and for a short time i stayed of the scope, the same happened when i moved on and started to base at Kent and then Paderborn was next followed shortly by Larnaca, Torino and Vigo. I picked low profile airports and used small aircraft until i was big enough to take on some of the bigger players in the game. I now have a worth of 4 billion and 169 aircraft having only been playing for a maximum of three months i reckon two. I fly globally.

Obviously, that's true, but what I meant was you cannot remain flying only quiet routes when you want to grow bigger. You have to get inside the busy ones as well.

[Daemonfly]

But you do know that the gates at certain locations in Northern America and Asia are very rare? Ever tried to get a gate at JFK (Wootwoot, I got one ) or at Montreal?

Can be kinda hard sometimes. And at the moment you'd also have problems aquiring enough longhaul planes. Lease market is emptied of anything bigger than an A321 except for the 772LR, which is kinda ridiculous for a route from WE to the eastcoast.

Nah, this isn't on any of the major routes like that. I generally haven't bothered with those unless I find a good unscheduled route (rare). Just one other airline was on these, and we were sharing them just fine with $1000+ ticket prices, then another comes in and I always find my routes at 0%. It's ok though, I jacked up my route frequency to 5.0 like he has, and set it at $1. If he wants to keep me at a negative profit for the route, then he can join me

I'm considering setting every single one of my competing routes to $1 until the game ends  :twisted:  I probably have enough cash to do it without any issue.