Aircraft queries - Full World

[ashuji]

Airline ID: 39535
World ID: Public World #1841
Current world year: June 1993
Current bases: Beijing Capital International / Hong Kong - Chek Lap Kok
DOC: € 17,899,943
Forum code: Airline Mogul - See my airline

Goals:  Top 10 ranking , airline value.

As this is my first FULL world in the real sense, I need some suggestions about the way I feel like playing here.

• I plan to operate mostly A/c with over 400 speed , is that viable ?
• Bombardier CRJ-100LR for < 2 mil Pax cities.
• Fokker F28 Fellowship 4000/6000 for 2-8 mil Pax cities
• Fokker 100's for > 8 mil Pax cities

Assumptions :

• The above mentioned cities are in the A/c range
• F-100's to be replaced by better/ bigger A/c for > 15 mil cities when it is affordable.

There is minimal competition atm, 1-2 competitors with 70+ seater ATR's or BAe ATP's or smaller A/c.

I have read time and again that ATR's or BAe ATP's are very profitable, but TBH I dont feel like doing so many routes on numerous small A/c's.

Could you all kindly have a look at my airline and tell me :

• if its possible to do without ATR's or BAe ATP's .
• are the Pax limits correct that I have set for these A/c's.
• Can F-100's be the mainstay of my airline for the next 1-2 game year ?

Hope to recieve similar guidance as I have done in the past.

[pseudoswede]

The CRJ is much too small to use in PEK. You need a minimum of 70pax aircraft to any airport ex-PEK. That is why the ATP is such a great plane, especially for under 10M.

[ashuji]

@ pseudoswede :
Thank you for clarifying .

I too feel CRJ's a bit small , so I will be operating the following for < 10 mil pax cities :
1) BAe ATP's : < 920 NM

2) Fokker F28 / 6000  : 920 >1352 ( specially the large cities < 10 mil)

3) ATR 72-200 920 < 1657 ( the F28 leftovers)

Another A/c coming to mind is Antonov An-74 (Seats68 /   Speed 377 / Range 2733 / Price  €21,915,728) and the KFC one coming next year.

[Mastafa]

@ pseudoswede :
Thank you for clarifying .

I too feel CRJ's a bit small , so I will be operating the following for < 10 mil pax cities :
1) BAe ATP's : < 920 NM

2) Fokker F28 / 6000  : 920 >1352 ( specially the large cities < 10 mil)

3) ATR 72-200 920 < 1657 ( the F28 leftovers)

Another A/c coming to mind is Antonov An-74 (Seats68 /   Speed 377 / Range 2733 / Price  €21,915,728) and the KFC one coming next year.

KFC? Kennedy Friend ChickN? LOL!

[1993matias]

Antonov-74 are great together with the KFC-5800.

The An-74 is a mix between a jet and a turboprop, in essence it's a cheap, slow jet (or expensive, fast turboprop).

KFC: Kelowna Flightcraft Group; the KFC-5800 is really a refurbished, stretched and re-engined Srs-580

[Virgin Serbia]

Antonov-74 are great together with the KFC-5800.

The An-74 is a mix between a jet and a turboprop, in essence it's a cheap, slow jet (or expensive, fast turboprop).

It's SLOOOOW! And rather expensive considering how slow it is. 1993, is the Chinese 60 seat turboprop out yet? How about the Avro jets?

[Hal]

The best will be Fokker 70. Avro planes are  slow.

[ashuji]

I created a base at london gatwick, and i am loving the way ATP's/ F-28 are minting money.

I need to ask you all about the most profitable  A/c as per your experience ,for routes from Gatwick to other 20 mil + cities in Europe .

One needs to keep in mind that most of the big cities are closely situated ( within a few hundred NM's or even closer) and the high turn times taken by A/c which literally grows with the seating capacity.

There are a few competitors who are running ATR's/ ATP's or F 28's mostly, but bigger A/c are expected sooner or later.
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For the short term I have F-100's available, which i shall be using on these routes.

[1993matias]

There is no "most profitable aircraft". Try aircraft search, it is a great tool - just like gate search.

Right now, I would say Fokker 100 (cheap and fast), MD-80's (big, decent range, cheap for its class) or A320 (big, fast)

[ashuji]

There is no "most profitable aircraft". Try aircraft search, it is a great tool - just like gate search.

Right now, I would say Fokker 100 (cheap and fast), MD-80's (big, decent range, cheap for its class) or A320 (big, fast)

Thanks a lot for the trouble you took to help me out.

I do use the A/c search functions alongwith other game tools.

The thing is, the big cites are mostly under 1000 Nm from Gatwick -Heathrow is just 26 Nm away- so I dont need the range/ I need speed maybe, and a quick turn time. The only question needs to be dealt is, how many seats am i to put between Gatwick ( 32 mil pax)  and other 20 + mil pax cities.

Later on it would be alright, as I would just be using leftover hours of big birds- while connecting gatwick with other closeby big cities.

[1993matias]

Use a cheap and fast (450+ knots) plane with 130+ seats. That's what I suggest.

But always see if there is another plane with roughly the same specs, just cheaper.

[chastwood]

XAC? good for hong kong routes only 6m and capable of flying to taiwan with a load of 50 passengers although a bit slow!

[Virgin Serbia]

XAC? good for hong kong routes only 6m and capable of flying to taiwan with a load of 50 passengers although a bit slow!

You mean the MA-60? Thats a fine plane indeed, comparable to the ATR or Dash 8.

[jayceon]

I have read time and again that ATR's or BAe ATP's are very profitable, but TBH I dont feel like doing so many routes on numerous small A/c's.

Could you all kindly have a look at my airline and tell me :

• if its possible to do without ATR's or BAe ATP's .
• are the Pax limits correct that I have set for these A/c's.
• Can F-100's be the mainstay of my airline for the next 1-2 game year ?

Hope to recieve similar guidance as I have done in the past.

I don't get it why you don't feel like doing many routes on small A/C? It's perfect to do as many (different) routes as you can with any aircraft.

Personally, I don't buy too much different types of A/C. Three types should be enough

80-120PAX: <2000nm routes, <1.000.000 airports
+/- 180PAX: <2000nm routes, <80.000.000 airports (I don't do too much of these. Too much route price changes due to the large amount of competition )
And one type of L/H aircraft. I prefer A332's or B762ER's.

About the lifespan of aircraft like the F100, those will work fine until they're like 5 years old. I usually replace S/H aircraft once they reach 5 years.