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TATL with the 757?

Fuzzman777

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on: July 09, 2009, 02:23:21 pm
Does anyone fly the 75 across the Atlantic to smaller European cities? Im considering opening a base at JFK, and serving lots of cities across the pond.


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Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 08:20:41 pm
Define smaller.

Probably better off serving it with A319s.
             
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Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 01:46:06 am
One problem with the B757 (in fact, B752) is that production ends in 2004, which means that if the world proceeds beyond that you might have some problem finding a replacement.

Since we're at it, do you guys find it a better idea to fly a TATL with an A319 (or A320) with a 1-freq or a B762ER with a 0.5-freq? An A319 with 0.5-freq on major TATLs (e.g. JFK - LHR) seems to offer too little capacity.
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Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 03:26:28 am
Never do 1-freq TATL flights.
             
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Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 04:43:50 am
A-319LR / A-319 / A-320 with 0.5 freq would be better.

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Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 06:39:13 am
Never do 1-freq TATL flights.
"Never do 1-freq long hual flights" is better :lol:

London Heathrow - Hartsfield - Jackson Atlanta International using B752
Single journey per day: 21_K
Round trip per day: 24_K

Only 30K more :lol:
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Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 07:09:27 am
Never do 1-freq TATL flights.

I guess it really depends on the distance of the flight. In public worlds (such as public world 506, in which I operate out of BOS, EWR, PHL and a few other major North American airports), almost everyone who flies from these places to major European airports such as LHR and CDG do a 1-frequency, apparently because of the close proximity of these airports to Europe - I mean, just over 3000nm is really not that much longer than a North American transcontinental flight. As a result, they drive prices down a great deal and my routes end up being far less profitable than they used to be - none of them make over $100,000 as of now - even though I insist on doing a 0.5-freq on these routes.

On the other hand, when you own sufficient funds you can order more airplanes and turn the 0.5-freq TATLs into daily flights. In this way, the average profit per aircraft drops, while the net profit should probably increase.

It appears to be harder to find a suitable aircraft for long-haul flights in a modern world. The range of the A319 is too short and cannot even do ATL - CDG (not to mention the A320, which cannot do anything beyond LHR/LGW - JFK/EWR), while the capacity of the A319LR is too small (the capacity offered by an A319LR on a 1-freq is less than that offered by a B752 or B762ER on a 0.5-freq). I'm thinking of the following aircraft line-up for my TATLs in a reasonably competitive private world that I'm in; what do you guys think?

$350,000 airport - $350,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq
$350,000 airport - $300,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq (with the exception of a few JFK routes that use the A319 or A319LR on 1-freq because of proximity and ease of scheduling)
$300,000 airport - $300,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq (depending on actual pax number)
$350,000 airport - $250,000 airport: A319LR 0.5-freq
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Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 02:39:27 pm
On the other hand, when you own sufficient funds you can order more airplanes and turn the 0.5-freq TATLs into daily flights. In this way, the average profit per aircraft drops, while the net profit should probably increase.
As ATE24 has shown above, the profit increase is extremely marginal. It's like how we complain about those that do more than 1-frequency flights on domestic routes. You make so much more money flying two 0.5-frequency TATL routes with that plane.

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I'm thinking of the following aircraft line-up for my TATLs in a reasonably competitive private world that I'm in; what do you guys think?

$350,000 airport - $350,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq
$350,000 airport - $300,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq (with the exception of a few JFK routes that use the A319 or A319LR on 1-freq because of proximity and ease of scheduling)
$300,000 airport - $300,000 airport: B762ER 0.5-freq (depending on actual pax number)
$350,000 airport - $250,000 airport: A319LR 0.5-freq

IME, you can use the B762ER/A332/A310HGW all the way down to 150k airports and make a nice ROI. Use the A319 to 100k and 50k airports.
             
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Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 02:46:12 pm
As ATE24 has shown above, the profit increase is extremely marginal. It's like how we complain about those that do more than 1-frequency flights on domestic routes. You make so much more money flying two 0.5-frequency TATL routes with that plane.
So that's the time to have an alliance and you can continue your 0.5 flights to fill the hours. :lol:

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Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 10:03:23 pm
This is how I do it for the 90s onward

TATL

40 million+ PAX  mix of 777, and A340

15-40 million pax mix of 767, A330, and A310

>15 million pax, 757 from east coast, A319LR, or VIP/Biz aircraft

Transpacific


35 million+ pax  mix of 747, A340, 777, and MD-11

20-35 million pax 767, or 777 for range reasons







 

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