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on: June 18, 2009, 12:44:19 pm
Hey,
So I've purchased a MD-87 (Amazon Jet, World 645, ID 23521) and checked times for a few routes using the Research Route function, and this is what I got:
|Departure City
|São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport
|Bogotá/El Dorado international airport
|São Paulo/Congonhas Airport
|Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport
|Arrival City
|Bogotá/El Dorado international airport
|São Paulo/Congonhas Airport
|Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport
|São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport
|Estimated Flight Length (hours:minutes:seconds)
|5:54:54
|5:54:54
|5:59:42
|5:59:06

-Looks excellent, right? Just a few seconds under 24 hours, which means the plane should be able to fly these routes.
When I tried routing the plane today I added the first 3 routes - and saw the plane has 6 hours left - great - just enough for the last route.
Unfortunately, the plane doesn't show when I try adding the last route.

Any idea why?
Thanks in advance,
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Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

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Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 02:22:22 pm
My calculation shows differently:



This is done in excel...here is the link where nwadeltaboy explained how to make one:

http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=7762.0

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Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.
             
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Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 02:43:26 pm
Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 02:22:22 pm
My calculation shows differently:



This is done in excel...here is the link where nwadeltaboy explained how to make one:

http://stephenm.org/smfforum/index.php?topic=7762.0

Umm.. I'm using the JT8D-217C engines version of the MD-87, which means it flies at a speed of 500kts and has a block time of 0.52.

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Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm
Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

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Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 03:17:28 pm
Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm
Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

He just splitted out the flights. In reality, he's doing 1-frequency flights?
             
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Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 03:23:46 pm
Just checked..

São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport   -   Bogotá/El Dorado international airport   =   0.5
São Paulo/Congonhas Airport            -   Bogotá/El Dorado international airport   =   0.5
São Paulo/Congonhas Airport            -   Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport   =   0 (No route)
São Paulo/Guarulhos international airport   -   Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport   =   1
« Last Edit: June 18, 2009, 03:25:53 pm by DarkPet »

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Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 03:25:41 pm
Quote from: DarkPet on June 18, 2009, 03:10:14 pm
Then it can fly all 4 routes.....but....I just checked....you don't have a hub at Caracas/Simón Bolívar International Airport nor at Bogotá/El Dorado international airport...how you are able to create the second flight (Bogotá/El Dorado international airport - São Paulo/Congonhas Airport)?

Well, it is just quite logical - I fly a 1 way flight from Guarulhos to El Dorado and then another 1 way flight from El dorado to Congonhas -
which means the airplane hasn't teleported.
It's like this:
A---> B
B---> C
C---> D
D---> A
(A and C are my hubs)

And (regarding your second post) - I currently don't fly to Caracas from Congonhas because it doesn't let me - that's why I posted this topic.

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Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 03:30:47 pm
Well I tried to find a reason why it doesn't let you fly the last route but I can't. I declare it a bug  :roll:

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Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
Quote from: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.
it isnt. Ask stephen about it. I remember a long time ago I tried to fly from tehran to SMX and I had the exact amount of time remaining on the aircraft but it wouldnt let me fly the route. I asked stephen about it and he said its cause there are delays on the ground at the airport. This was when I had about 100 aircraft flying from tehran on many routes right across the world.

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Reply #11 on: June 18, 2009, 04:02:57 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
Quote from: pseudoswede on June 18, 2009, 02:28:28 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 02:05:06 pm
the flight length includes any delays at airports. so if the airports are busy, they will have delays which add on a certain amount of minuites (depending on how many flights fly out of that airport)

This is absolutely false.
it isnt. Ask stephen about it. I remember a long time ago I tried to fly from tehran to SMX and I had the exact amount of time remaining on the aircraft but it wouldnt let me fly the route. I asked stephen about it and he said its cause there are delays on the ground at the airport. This was when I had about 100 aircraft flying from tehran on many routes right across the world.

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Can you confirm this is the problem, stephen?  :-[

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Reply #12 on: June 18, 2009, 06:13:56 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
it isnt. Ask stephen about it.


Its actually false, even I didn't know.  :lol:  I must have planned it originally and thought I implemented it.  :-[
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Reply #13 on: June 18, 2009, 06:18:23 pm
Quote from: StephenM on June 18, 2009, 06:13:56 pm
Quote from: iranair777 on June 18, 2009, 03:34:25 pm
it isnt. Ask stephen about it.


Its actually false, even I didn't know.  :lol:  I must have planned it originally and thought I implemented it.  :-[
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Reply #14 on: June 18, 2009, 06:24:40 pm
On the 24 hour bug, Will sent me a few updates which I will add tonight to try to prevent the problem in the future.
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