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on: June 14, 2009, 04:00:57 pm
There is a big problem with leasing...
Any airline can lease any quantity of aircrafts and with no maintenance on them it is ruining companies that own their own planes. In the real world if you lease an airplane you pay the maintenance.
I suggest that if you lease the plane you pay the bills for it....or....limit the number of planes you can lease depending on the number of owned airplanes.
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Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 04:18:03 pm
Someone else owns the plane that is being leased out, and they have to pay the maintenance. They should be factoring in to the lease price maintenance. It is, ultimately, the airlines who lease planes who get to decide how much they charge for them. I would advise you, if you think it is better sense, to lease aircraft yourself.

Also, leases where maintenance is paid for by the owner do exist. They are called damp leases. All leases in AM are damp.


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Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 04:20:38 pm
Well...

Real world leases are seperated into several type, dry lease, damp lease, and wet lease.
Dry is plane only. Wet includes everything from maint to crew.

AM is using damp leases. Introducing the other types of leases is on our to-do list.

As for leasing being unfair, it really depends. Lease rates may or may not be that favourable. Leases eat into your profit, although they could give you better return on investment. However, the bottomline is that there is no barrier to prevent anyone from leasing aircrafts. If you think that leasing is a better way to operate your airline, you should choose it. If you think leasing is better, but still stick to owning, that is your choice. You shall not blame your own decision on other people. ;)
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Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 04:21:22 pm
I was going to post but Daniel covered it pretty well.
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Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 05:14:54 pm
I'm just saying that it's not fair...owning a plane should get you good profit and leasing should still get you the profit but a lot less. As it is now, owning a plane is less profitable then leasing just because of maintenance.
Maybe I'm doing all wrong with owning the planes instead of leasing them. By the time I get enough money for a new plane and 24h more for it to be delivered the competition had already leased 5 planes and saturated all routes. If thats the case in real world airlines would not own any aircrafts...they would just lease them from broker companies. Thats my opinion.


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Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 05:35:17 pm
I'm just saying that it's not fair...owning a plane should get you good profit and leasing should still get you the profit but a lot less. As it is now, owning a plane is less profitable then leasing just because of maintenance.
The profitability all depends on the lease rates.


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Reply #6 on: June 14, 2009, 05:59:37 pm
Darkpet, you are quite right. A lot of real world airlines "own" their planes technically speaking, but at the same time, they owe a lot of debts, in terms of loans, bonds, and other instruments of financing. That is the financial leverage of a company. Not many of the real world airlines could afford to use 100% owner's equity and retained earnings on all their aircrafts. For those that could afford, might not choose to do so, for whatever reasons they base their decision on. The planes are listed as their own, but fact is, the invesment on the planes might not have been paid off.

As pointed out, the lease profitability depends on the lease rates, and the lease rates have to be able to cover the maintenance costs in order for the owner to make a profit. That said, the lease rates should be larger than the maintenance costs. Since all other costs are the same, owning an aircraft should always, under normal circumstance, be more profitable than leasing one.

The issue though is the investment needed. In order to buy a plane, you need to pay the whole amount up front, while the leases pay for themselves. For the same type of planes, you could probably get 5 to 8 on lease for the amount you need to purchase one. That is the difference in initial investment. Basically speaking, owning requires a much larger initial cash out-flow, but gives you a larger net cash in-flow in the service life of the aircraft. Owning also gives you the salvage value when you retire your aircrafts.

In terms of company value, you get value from the aircraft you own, and the cash (ie. profit).
If you own the aircraft, it is factored into your company value. All your takings would also add to your company value.
If you lease the aircraft, the lease rate is a monthly fixed costs, which would reduce your cash, and thus your company value. Your net increase in company value should be less on a per aircraft basis, given that the aircrafts operated are identical, and they are being operated in the exact same way.

Two points you really need to learn and get straights are...
1. Profit and Return are two different concepts, with completely different meanings.
2. Life is unfair, and the best survive.

As I have said before, you are not helpless. Please do not victimize yourself. If you think that the leasing model is the better one, go for it. There are plenty of people with an opposite view, and they have voiced their opinions through telling people not to lease aircrafts. (Well... or maybe those are the ones that think leasing is good and want everyone else to choose the worse path... who knows? ;) )
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