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Reply #30 on: September 15, 2007, 12:17:34 am
Terminal rules (present format), should be pretty close to fully covering the data:

- You can only build terminals at Focus Cities (or higher, when hubs are added).

- Terminals have no effect on demand.

- Terminals must be built with at least 5 gates, but can be built with as many as you can afford.

- Terminal costs (construction) consist of a variable element (based off of gates built), and a flat element (fixed no matter how many gates are built).  Both of these elements will be based in some way off of the airport's cost, as well as will be significantly higher then focus city creation. (present looks are putting it at a minimum of double most focus city creations).

- IF you close a focus city, the terminal can remain (HOWEVER it cannot be expanded).

- Addendum to above: IF you close a focus city and the terminal remains AND the terminal has (presently) more gates then the airport starts with, you cannot rent new gates at that airport.

- Building a terminal does not forfeit fully the rented gates you have (I'm debating whether every X gates you build forces you to return a rented gate, likely 5 or 10).  I never liked how exceptionally damaging terminals were put together in AE.

- Terminal build fees (on a per-gate basis) increase incrementally with every 4 gates built, you cannot outsmart the system, it's smart enough to treat 5 passes of build 1 gate and 1 pass of build 5 gates.  So, no matter how many gates you build, the 90th gate will cost the same however you get there.

- Terminals will cost 75% of a normal gate rental to maintain, presently only consist of building gates (the foodcourt/lounge/etc upgrades sound interesting for future planning though...). they do cost substantially more then renting a gate to construct however.

- There are no alliance terminals, or subletting of gates in any format at present (not likely to occur in the near future either).

- LIKELY future limitations will in some manner go about reclaiming built gates when a focus city is closed (some payment will be recieved).

- Terminals will be assumed as to be the "first" place flights originate from (So. if you have over 10 slots free, they're assumed to be from rented gates first if from anything.)

- Terminal gates cannot be removed for dis-use, however. in some situations a portion of the built gates may be sold to the airport (and "replace an existing, older terminal"... or however you want to mentally justify the non-increase in total gates available for rent).



Next Age:

- Same basic framework:  New constraints:  You can only rent up to 25 gates at an airport before a terminal is the only way to expand.  again, terminal construction will not necessarily immediately return all of your rented gates.  This rule should allow for between 2 and 8 players at an airport as a minimum (yes. 8. we're adding a 350,000/350 gate tier between ages for the 8ish largest airports).

- Basically, all of the above applies, but when a Focus City with a terminal is closed, gates built will be reduced to 25 (with some repayment made to player). IF under 25, gate rental caps will be 25-(gates built).

- and yeah. any further tweaks as need be.

- Possible rule, unsure of when implemented or even if implemented: minimum build quantity of 2 or 4 in any given expansion.  

- Possible rule 2.  There may be a flat fee applied to expansion of a terminal.



I may be missing something, i'll probably get back to you all if i am.  The idea is to free up some reasonable level of competition, reduce the affect of gate hogging in some respects, and do so without being overly suicidal.  

This element, combined with significant modifications to the present loadfactor formula will hopefully reduce the power of multiple .5 frequency flights, should cause the temporary suspension (NEXT AGE ONLY) of the present route frequency caps (of all kinds).

Any questions, just ask. i'll see if i can answer them. i won't state exact formulas.
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Reply #31 on: September 15, 2007, 12:53:56 am
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Reply #32 on: September 15, 2007, 02:30:43 am
Is there any time delay for the terminal to be constructed? or is it instantanious after purchase?
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Reply #33 on: September 15, 2007, 04:00:06 am
at present instantaneous.  There may be down the line a time delay of X gates completed per day. but it's not as likely as a revamp of the plane delivery system.
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Reply #34 on: September 15, 2007, 04:25:32 am
Does it mean if my base is in Kansai/Osaka, and I can't build a terminal in Kansai but only in focus cities such as Dalian?
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Reply #35 on: September 15, 2007, 04:31:27 am
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Does it mean if my base is in Kansai/Osaka, and I can't build a terminal in Kansai but only in focus cities such as Dalian?


All FC's including your "base" now. Your base is in a sense a focus city currently.
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Reply #36 on: September 15, 2007, 05:01:19 am
I see. Thank You for answering~~
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Reply #37 on: September 16, 2007, 07:04:06 am
Definitely added rule:

for every 10 gates you build, 1 rented gate (if possible) is returned.

again, smart enough system to not be affected by the difference between building 18 gates, and building two batches of 9 gates.

IF you're forced to sell-back terminal gates when closing a focus city, you get 3x the monthly rental fee in payment. *NOTE. this is still significantly less then the cost to build them*.  For now, the constraint is if you have built more gates then the airport could normally have (50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300.) you'll automatically sell down to that level.
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Reply #38 on: September 16, 2007, 09:53:40 am
Well, does it mean I have to close all the routes on the RENTED GATES and then reopen them in BUILD GATES??

Could I just only transfer???:
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Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 11:13:12 am
Its all automated, no need to close routes.
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Reply #40 on: September 16, 2007, 05:11:43 pm
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- IF you close a focus city, the terminal can remain (HOWEVER it cannot be expanded).

Won't this allow large airlines to essentially build quasi-focus cities all over the place?
             
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Reply #41 on: September 16, 2007, 05:19:40 pm
if they want rolling terminals, yes, in some degrees.

At present a terminal that's left behind cannot be larger then the airport normally can be (it will be sold down to those levels if need be).  so a small airport of 50 gates cannot have a terminal leftover from a focus city greater than 50 gates.

Next age, when the more stringent rules are put in place, it'll force the terminal to be comparable to the rent gate cap when left behind.

So, yes and no.
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Reply #42 on: September 17, 2007, 12:39:47 am
Are gates at a terminal we build usable by other players or are they exclusively for our use?

Will the game show who has built terminals and/or how many terminals have been built at an airport?


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Reply #43 on: September 17, 2007, 01:19:45 am
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Are gates at a terminal we build usable by other players or are they exclusively for our use?


Exclusively for the owners' / builders' use.
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