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Airline Mogul => Game Strategy => Topic started by: Ben175 on November 22, 2008, 11:21:48 am
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Just a question, what are the most profitable aircraft in AM for a game in the 90's-2000's?
Supposingly the A319 is terrible, and the ATR great? That's about all I know, so any other help would be highly appreciated.
Thanks ;)
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I would say 737s or A320s,
but that folds waaay over the ATR cost
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If you mean a profit/cost ratio, then one of the 70-pax turbo props are probably at the top of the list. The most profitable jet is probably the F70.
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If you mean a profit/cost ratio, then one of the 70-pax turbo props are probably at the top of the list. The most profitable jet is probably the F70.
No F70 most profitable jet is Tu-334-100 with 102 pax capacity and low fuel usage. ;)
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If you mean a profit/cost ratio, then one of the 70-pax turbo props are probably at the top of the list. The most profitable jet is probably the F70.
No F70 most profitable jet is Tu-334-100 with 102 pax capacity and low fuel usage. ;)
Who cares about fuel usage? It doesn't matter. What about capital cost?
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thats when ATR takes the cake
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i agree with pseudoswede i think the F70 has to be the best i find it the most economical by far, if not the F70 i think the Saab340 would be next
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The F70 is excellent. Even the expensive longer ranged one. And they're availible from 1994
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nah,i like my ATRs and 733s beter
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I suppose A321's are okay too in terms of price and seats. they're cheap and have 220 seats. although its fuel usage is not that good.
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Fuel?
Who cares about fuel?
XD
I think the best ~70 turbo props for Short haul is the BAe Jetstream J-61.
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Fuel?
Who cares about fuel?
XD
There's something in the world known as money. :D
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How about this:
SE 10B or 737-200 is better? (coz Im in the 60s)
Its gonna be a painful debate ;)
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fokker 70s are a lot more cost effective than ATRs. they are way faster so you can get more routes in with each plane.
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In my airlines, it is B737-300, which gives me nearly 600000 per day.
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at the moment I have only SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B in my active fleet- I like them, but for the future I replace them with Douglas DC-8-55 because of the passenger-capacity. at this moment (1965) it's that one with the most capacity (along with B707-320/-420) but it is lower priced and as long as the longer range of the 707 doesn't matter I believe it's the best choice...
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Go with the Caravelle.. Then when the 733 is released, replace them. If you happen to play in a round where the 733 also goes out of production, replace with the 735.
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i prefer MDs :)
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Ok, my plan to carry as much passengers as possible using the Douglas DC-8-55 failed. In fact of the longer turn-time and the higher maintanence cost it gave me round about the same profit then the caravelle... now I use 2 dc8 for long range routes the other 4 I ordered made a good profit for me on the aircraft-market ;) now I'm replacing the caravelle's with 721's and it works fine- per 721 I make ~100000 more profit a day...
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In W506 I can get a tidy profit of 270,000-280,000 with my default N262.
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two ways:
It will, at the beginning of the world, as long as you based at any airport with 200k/200k+ pax
OR
Base in 350k airports and do super-short hops.
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I think Dc-9's are better than 737-100/-200. They have less fuel consumption and bigger speed than these 737.
The price for buy one DC-9-30 is bigger than to buy a 737-200 but, at the end of the game, we can see a big difference about the fuel costs(yes, they are important in the game).
About Caravelle, it's price is really low but i think at the end it"s lowest speed and higher fuel consumption could make difference, but they are good aircrafts(when I changed my Tu-104V for the Caravelle it was a good deal).
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In the 60-80s. the Caravelle Super 10B and Caravelle 10R are the best and most profitable. I also liked the BAC 111-200/400 very much. MDs and the B727/737 are sometimes too in reference to passenger demand. It is my 4th round in the eighties and most of my short and medium haul fleet always consist on the core: Caravelle 10/BAC 111.
For longer and strong demand routes the best is Boeing 757-200 , Airbus A310HGW and DC8-62/63.
Asfar as regionals are concerned, my top is for the NAMC YS11A-500, followed by Fokker F28Jet.
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In more modern worlds, the A32X family is the most profitable aircraft for short to medium haul routes. Caravelles are also pretty good in the older days. If you compare the 737-100/200/Adv. with the DC-9 in general, the Douglas is supposed to be better EXCEPT the DC-9-50. Although much better quantity of seats, the -50 has a really slow speed and high turn time...
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In more modern worlds, the A32X family is the most profitable aircraft for short to medium haul routes.
From an ROI and maintenance perspective, the A319 is much more profitable.
There were some people using A320s from EWR on short/medium-haul flights to 50k airports. I did some experimentation--tried out an A321, A320, A319, F100, F70 and ERJ--and, just from route profit, the A319 was actually making 10-20k more per route. The F100 was a close second.
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If you start playing in the 2000s, the Boeing 717-200 is beast. 34-38 million for 117 pax, good speed and decent fuel usage. I can make 600K per in an airport with 18 carriers based in it.
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CRJ-701LR.
I'm lovin' it right now. Doing nearly 20 routes per day, at 515 knots. What else can you say 8) 8)
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If you start playing in the 2000s, the Boeing 717-200 is beast. 34-38 million for 117 pax, good speed and decent fuel usage. I can make 600K per in an airport with 18 carriers based in it.
Not really, comparing pure stats the E195 just pips the 717 in my opinion.
Funny the biggest duds in real life can be the most profitable aircraft here.
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Funny the biggest duds in real life can be the most profitable aircraft here.
It is, for most of the case (e.g. SE 10B Caravelle), with exceptions like A-320s or 737s
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In more modern worlds, the A32X family is the most profitable aircraft for short to medium haul routes.
From an ROI and maintenance perspective, the A319 is much more profitable.
What I meant by the A32X family includes the A318, A319, A320, and A321... Since the original aircraft was an A320, I used the term A32X instead... XD
and yes, the A319 is more profitable than the A321...
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Wait tll the A380 comes out that will blow away the A20 family and the 737 family except for it costs 300 mill
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Maybe it will do good on LHR-HND or something, but apart from that I wouldn't ever use the A380. Actually, I wouldn't use it ever in AM, because I think it's ugly. But that's just me.
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I won't even fly a 747, much less an A380. Yes, the A380 is ugly and the 747 is awesome, but in terms of specs in Airline Mogul, it doesn't make much sense to fly one. There would be very few routes which I could operate the route successfully... probably only routes between Tokyo Haneda (HND), Los Angeles (LAX), London Heathrow (LHR), Paris Charles de Gaule (CDG), Atlanta Hartsfield (ATL), and Chicago O'Hare (ORD). The turn time is terrible though, maintenance is through the roof, and you would have to replace these expensive aircraft often just to remain profitable. Personally, I've never flown anything larger than a Tupolev Tu-114 (200 seats), though I'll be operating Boeing 777s (440 seats) in my current world later on. I'll see how that turns out.
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I think speed is an under rated factor in AM. Having an aircraft than can do 550knts over a slow prop means it can carry more, up to double in passangers per day. I know this means higher gate costs, but the balance i believe will still be higher.
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For me the most profitable plane is an A319. 2 of mine make about 500,000 euro a day.
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For the price of 1 Boeing or Airbus, you could buy 10s of the cheapest 19 seater(I don't remember the name). For me it makes 150-200k going to 50-100k airports. With just ten, which doesn't cost as much as a 737 or a320, you could make over a million.
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BTW, I would appreciate if someone proves that my logic is flawed because I like big planes I want to use them without knowing that I'm losing mony by doing it.
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Very small aircraft do not make as much money per route. This has two problems, firstly, gate rental is the same regardless of aircraft size (which, come to think of it, is not entirely realistic...), so a greater percentage of your money goes into gate rental. This may actually be a considerable cost if you are only using 19 seater aircraft.
More importantly, however, is that you will not have enough time to create and edit that many routes. Once your airline becomes large, you make so much money each day that you could buy far more aircraft than you could put on routes.
If you are making a DOC of 5,000,000 (which isn't that high, about 25 small aircraft, by your profits), that's 120,000,000 per (real life) day (minus expenses). Earning say, 100 million a day could easily buy you 40 small (around 20 seat) aircraft per day (at 2.5 million). That would mean you would be earning 300 million on the next day (having tripled your fleet), allowing you to buy 120 aircraft the next day... and so on.
While this rapid an expansion is probably not going to happen (you will quickly run out of airports to fly to), you can see the way a problem will emerge. The larger aircraft, costing say 50 million each, might earn 300-500 k per day for the same amount of effort (same number of routes) as it takes to earn 150 k on a small aircraft.
Early on, when you have little money, it is best to buy small planes, but soon you will want to buy more expensive planes to make more money.
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Thank you, I appreciate the advise.
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Very small aircraft do not make as much money per route. This has two problems, firstly, gate rental is the same regardless of aircraft size (which, come to think of it, is not entirely realistic...), so a greater percentage of your money goes into gate rental. This may actually be a considerable cost if you are only using 19 seater aircraft.
More importantly, however, is that you will not have enough time to create and edit that many routes. Once your airline becomes large, you make so much money each day that you could buy far more aircraft than you could put on routes.
If you are making a DOC of 5,000,000 (which isn't that high, about 25 small aircraft, by your profits), that's 120,000,000 per (real life) day (minus expenses). Earning say, 100 million a day could easily buy you 40 small (around 20 seat) aircraft per day (at 2.5 million). That would mean you would be earning 300 million on the next day (having tripled your fleet), allowing you to buy 120 aircraft the next day... and so on.
While this rapid an expansion is probably not going to happen (you will quickly run out of airports to fly to), you can see the way a problem will emerge. The larger aircraft, costing say 50 million each, might earn 300-500 k per day for the same amount of effort (same number of routes) as it takes to earn 150 k on a small aircraft.
Early on, when you have little money, it is best to buy small planes, but soon you will want to buy more expensive planes to make more money.
Generally, you the upper limit for a self-owned plane is ~150m or ~190 seats. Depends on which one comes first. I'll not recommend people to buy A-321s coz its too large for a decent profit
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You can use larger planes like the A321 on routes with lots of competition (i.e. routes to big airports), as the fare has often been lowered enough that you can charge roughly the same amount as the other airlines despite operating a large plane.
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If you mean a profit/cost ratio, then one of the 70-pax turbo props are probably at the top of the list. The most profitable jet is probably the F70.
I strongely dislike fokker 70s, because they do not have a good range.
Go for the dash-8-400s or atr-72s if you need a small, cheap plane for Base -> 50,000 value routes..for the airbus/boeing make the same amount of money.
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If you mean a profit/cost ratio, then one of the 70-pax turbo props are probably at the top of the list. The most profitable jet is probably the F70.
I strongely dislike fokker 70s, because they do not have a good range.
Go for the dash-8-400s or atr-72s if you need a small, cheap plane for Base -> 50,000 value routes..for the airbus/boeing make the same amount of money.
Pick the long range engine varient then. ~2100nm isn't too even if it's a modest price increase from the base Fok70
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There isn´t such a thing. Every route has a most profitable aircraft and iis not the same for every route. It really depends on where your hub is located, what airports you are planning on flying into (number of passengers) distance and route potential (Excelent, Very Good, Good) and also look at the competition on the routes. Sometimes a Fokker Fellowship aircraft with 70 plus seats gives you more profit than an Airbus A319 with 130 seats plus. The more you fly your aircraft usually yields out higher profit. Example: A 319 flying 3 routes with average earning of 80,000 per route=$240.000 compared to a Fokker flying 6 routes with average earning of 70,000 per route=$420.000.
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My personal strategy is to fly 4 types of aircraft
- Small: with <100 seats for airports with less than 50000 pax
- Mid-Size: with 150-200 seats for airports bigger than 50000 pax
- Large: with 350+ seats for long intercontinental routes
- Supersonics: with 120-160 seats for routes longer than 1000nm and with high competition. This way even if the income per flight is less, the higher speed of the aircraft allows me to fly the same aircraft on 2-3 routes in the same amount of time
Right now, I'm flying a combination of CRJ-100LRs, RomBAC 1-11-495s, A320s, A330s and Tu-144Ds. The CRJs are being gradually replaced by 1-11s.
- Best A320 gives me about 671000/day. Most of them give me between 400000-550000.
- Best A330 give me about 350000/day. I feel this is way too low and am looking for a better alternative.
- Best CRJ gives about 450000/day, average is around 300000
- Best 1-11 gives me around 536000/day, average is 350000-400000
- Best Tu-144D gives me around 540000/day, average is around 500000
My personal strategy is to concentrate on long & thin routes, so I invest in aircraft that are not necessarily the biggest in size, but have long range and lower fuel consumption.
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I've had awesome luck with the Boeing 717 HGW.
I've got 4 that are making over 650k, and 15 that are making over 500k.
They were doing better early on when there competition allowed for higher fares, one was over 750k.
Cheap to buy, cheap to fly, and you get them in 24 hours.
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Fuel?
Who cares about fuel?
XD
I think the best ~70 turbo props for Short haul is the BAe Jetstream J-61.
I do as even the pennies count towards pounds ;)
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Fokker 100's are cheap, have quite a few pax, a good range, and don't use THAT much fuel!
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The A320 family for me is the most profitable in AM. They earn me about 400-500k a day. Embraer E-Jets are also good too.
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Short Range: ERJ-135
Medium Range: ATR-72-200
Long Range: Boeing 747-400
Modern Rounds (1980-Present)*
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My personal favorites:
Rombac 111-495, quite frugal, long range for such a small plane, which is perfect if you're not in a big market.
But i'm a nut job who likes to go off the beaten path. Heck i started an airline in Kazakhstan once :P
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747? Where are you using it? I found they barely make more money than something 767 size.
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747? Where are you using it? I found they barely make more money than something 767 size.
Yeah I've always found the 747s do not make much money at all. Right now in my world it is 1960 and I'm having pretty good numbers coming in from the Boeing 720.
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747? Where are you using it? I found they barely make more money than something 767 size.
Yeah I've always found the 747s to mot make much money at all. Right now in my world it is 1960 and I'm having pretty good numbers coming in from the Boeing 720.
Aha! I have made upwards of 250-300k per route! My best route was ATL-LHR (no competition) at about 255k! ;)
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747? Where are you using it? I found they barely make more money than something 767 size.
Yeah I've always found the 747s to mot make much money at all. Right now in my world it is 1960 and I'm having pretty good numbers coming in from the Boeing 720.
Aha! I have made upwards of 250-300k per route! My best route was ATL-LHR (no competition) at about 255k! ;)
If there is no competition have you tried the same route using a smaller plane? I would think you would get higher profits using a smaller plane if you are by yourself on a route. The only time I could see a 747 be profitable is to just eat up all the market share from competitors.
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If I might jump into this forum...
My most favorite aircraft so far (that make a lot of profits) include:
- Saab 340B - with a max. speed of 282nm/hr, seats 37, max. range of 1,123nm, fuel usage of 153, and turnaround time of 0.24hr, I think this is a wonderful aircraft for all those regional and local trips around certain regions (like right now, I'm also on 958, and the aircraft is performing very well, with profits over 100,000 spread over 9 active a/c), and with its good turnaround time, I could say this airliner works for those medium- to heavily-traveled routes without spending too much fuel.
- Embraer EMB-120 series - the workhorse of my airline right now, I have 17 examples of this model right now, including:
- EMB-120 model - with a max. speed of 328nm/hr, seats 30, max. range of 1,021nm, fuel usage of 143, and turnaround time of 0.21hr, I just ordered five of these to replace my Vardax aircraft (that I may be selling off) so that it could be used for domestic and some regional trips.
- EMB-120RT model - with a max. speed of 300nm/hr, seats 30, max. range of 1,978nm, fuel usage of 143, and turnaround time of 0.21hr, this is a great model for those regional trips that do not have much demand (let's say from large city to small towns), or it can be used for point-to-point major airport trips (i.e. SFO-LAX). I think this aircraft is very viable also for long regional trips that only require short runways to land on, or for those who want fuel economy on their planes because it does not burn a lot of fuel as an A319...
I might add a tip on how to make your aircraft profitable: maximize the use of the aircraft, provided that you note the following:
- Maximum speed of aircraft (for long range aircraft, multiply speed by 12 to see how far it could go, then subtract turnaround time from 24 hours)
- Maximum range of aircraft
- How far your destinations are
For example, I have an aircraft that only has 0:01hr left for turnaround after completing 6 to 8 domestic and international flights on a small aircraft -- bringing in efficiency and diversity (of destinations) at the same time.