Supersonic Aircraft

[Lord Voldemort]

Why do they have such a bad rep?
When I was going to get one, nwadeltaboy (aka Natey) went beserk on me, claiming that they suck and are a waste of money.
Are they really that bad?

[StephenM]

Fuel Burn is very high on a Turbojet. Turbofan is about half, cant remember the formula off hand.

[Dan380]

I had a couple in world 4 running transatlantic routes, just because I wanted to.

No idea if they were profitable, because maintenance isn't shown per aircraft.   But I was able to get 4 0.5 transatlantic routes on them (same destination, 2 hubs)

[LOT 737-300]

I have heard that the Supersonic aircraft are not exactly great on a mojority of routes just due to their high fuel burn, not even speed seems to help make up for that. Really, the only situation that you should buy one is just for prestege (in other words just to brag).

[Lord Voldemort]

I have heard that the Supersonic aircraft are not exactly great on a mojority of routes just due to their high fuel burn, not even speed seems to help make up for that. Really, the only situation that you should buy one is just for prestege (in other words just to brag).

Well, I'll do that once I can afford to brag....  

[hg42]

They're not necessarily cost-effective, but they aren't unprofitable. I have two:

10733   CCCP-7000   Tupolev Tu-144S   €507,796
10938   CCCP-7001   Tupolev Tu-144S   €588,639

7000 does Moscow - Rome, Moscow - LHR, Moscow - Delhi - Jakarta - Sydney
7001 does Beijing - Moscow - CDG - JFK - Bogota - Sao Paulo

A couple of example legs:

Sydney - Jakarta: ~3300mi, 3.11 Hours, €170,800 income, €45,929 expense.
Moscow - LHR: ~1600mi, 1.74 Hours, €121,800 income, €25,993 expense.

They could easily make more money, too - all the fligts bar Bogota - S.P are 1freq compared to the 0.5 usual for long-range flights, since they were bought as a bit of a joke. This is 1979, so fuel price shouldn't be too horrendous - it is worth pointing out, though, that you're essentially paying for more than the aircraft is worth to begin with as high fuel consumption currently increases the price of aircraft - so by buying an aircraft with 3, 4 engines (or even 2 rather than 1) you're basically paying for the privilege of making less money on a route.

[Chavaquiah]

They're not necessarily cost-effective, but they aren't unprofitable. I have two:

10733   CCCP-7000   Tupolev Tu-144S   €507,796
10938   CCCP-7001   Tupolev Tu-144S   €588,639

Factor in €14,000,000 monthly maintenance. How profitable are they now? :wink:

[hg42]

Don't be snarky - profitable enough, as I did point out before I refreshed the bloody page and had to re-do the post.

e: for reference, this is a comparison of income/maintenance on a few planes to compare with those two; these are all the "best" example I'm running at the moment:

Il-18D: 327000 income/day, 47000 maintenance/day
Tu-114D (at least, being based in Russia, I have an excuse for using these ridiculous things): 332935 i/day, 75000maint/day
Tu-154B: 443700 i/day, 87000 i/day



Now, if you really want whining about profitability, wait till you see the numbers on the IL-86s I ordered.

[Lord Voldemort]

Don't be snarky - profitable enough, as I did point out before I refreshed the bloody page and had to re-do the post.

e: for reference, this is a comparison of income/maintenance on a few planes to compare with those two; these are all the "best" example I'm running at the moment:

Il-18D: 327000 income/day, 47000 maintenance/day
Tu-114D (at least, being based in Russia, I have an excuse for using these ridiculous things): 332935 i/day, 75000maint/day
Tu-154B: 443700 i/day, 87000 i/day



Now, if you really want whining about profitability, wait till you see the numbers on the IL-86s I ordered.

I wouldn't mind seeing them...

[hg42]

Well, I'm sure you wouldn't, but you'll have to wait a couple of days on account of their delivery time being 120hrs.

[Lord Voldemort]

Well, I'm sure you wouldn't, but you'll have to wait a couple of days on account of their delivery time being 120hrs.

Ouch...
And I was whining that Airbus A320s took 72 days to deliver....

[Chavaquiah]

Now, if you really want whining about profitability, wait till you see the numbers on the IL-86s I ordered.

Oh, not whining. Just pointing out that a quick look at the profit column in the aircraft screen does not tell the whole story.

As for those nice Il-86, I'd estimate 130K/day in MX as a starting value, climbing rapidly to 350K-400K after about 5 years. Strangely enough not as bad the Tu-144S as their (Il-86's) short range forces players to use them on more routes.

[hg42]

130k seems very optimistic - probably more like 200k initial, I'd think.

[Fleur-de-Lis]

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Just pointing out that a quick look at the profit column in the aircraft screen does not tell the whole story.

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Save your breath, mg35pt.

I've tried explaining that in several posts since they maintenance costs were changed. And so have you, and so has StephenM, and a couple of moderators / administrators too.
People either don't read the forums, or can't get out of what they think "should be" versus what it "really is".

You'll see posts by them complaining they can't make a profit, soon enough.

[hg42]

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Just pointing out that a quick look at the profit column in the aircraft screen does not tell the whole story.

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Save your breath, mg35pt.

I've tried explaining that in several posts since they maintenance costs were changed. And so have you, and so has StephenM, and a couple of moderators / administrators too.
People either don't read the forums, or can't get out of what they think "should be" versus what it "really is".

You'll see posts by them complaining they can't make a profit, soon enough.

Good thing everyone in this thread appears to be aware of that already, eh?