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on: May 11, 2008, 03:33:13 pm
With regards to the A340-300 Range i believe it is about 500nm under what it actually is. http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a330a340/a340-300/specifications.html "Range (w/max. passengers) 13,350 (13,700) km. 7,200 (7,400) nm. " Wheras on AM with the best engine it is "Range 6,750".

To use another example the MD-11 (as obtained from the Boeing information page http://www.boeing.com/commercial/md-11family/index.html ) "The nonstop range of the standard MD-11 operating at a maximum takeoff weight of 602,500 pounds (273,290 kg) is approximately 7,630 statute miles (12,270 km) with 285 passengers and their bags. The extended-range version of the MD-11, equipped with an auxiliary fuel tank and operating at a higher maximum takeoff weight of 630,500 pounds (285,990 kg), has a range of approximately 8,225 statute miles (13,230 km)." Now i know that Delta had to MD-11's modified to do Los Angeles to Hong Kong so perhaps that version was used for the range quote. AM has the range as "McDonnell Douglas MD-11 7980"

I am not saying you guys have made a mistake but perhaps this one was overlooked. Thank you for taking the time to read this message.

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Reply #1 on: May 11, 2008, 05:13:41 pm
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Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 12:23:15 am
Also, I think that the A340's capacity should be higher-I have not proof but it looks awkward that the A330 has way more seats than the A340 and also how the price is still lower than the A340.
And I think it's weird that the A300 has more seats than the A340.
Just Wondering...

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Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 12:38:03 am
The A340-300 should definitely have at least the same capacity of the 767-300ER.

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Reply #4 on: May 12, 2008, 12:47:16 am
I should have much more than the 763. the A340 is longer than the 767-400 and is wider by 1 seat

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Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 01:41:26 am
Quote from: "Japanair"
I should have much more than the 763. the A340 is longer than the 767-400 and is wider by 1 seat
The 400's are smaller than the 300's.... At least thats what I recal from AWS :P
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Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 02:56:34 am
well but they are longer than all 767's and I suppose the A332 and maybe A333.

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Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 04:56:22 am
Quote from: "Seattle"
Quote from: "Japanair"
I should have much more than the 763. the A340 is longer than the 767-400 and is wider by 1 seat
The 400's are smaller than the 300's.... At least thats what I recal from AWS :P


From Boeing

Technical Characteristics - Boeing 767-300ER
Passenger Seating Configuration
   Typical 3-class
   Typical 2-class
   Typical 1-class    
218
269
350

Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 767-400ER
Passenger Seating Configuration
   Typical 3-class
   Typical 2-class
   Typical 1-class    
245
304
375

From Airbus (A340-300)

Typical passenger seating       295

I know that is for a 3 class setup as that is what we used at Air Jamaica


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Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 05:08:37 am
oopsss :P
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Reply #9 on: May 26, 2008, 11:46:07 am
Quote from: "OliAir"
With regards to the A340-300 Range i believe it is about 500nm under what it actually is. http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a330a340/a340-300/specifications.html "Range (w/max. passengers) 13,350 (13,700) km. 7,200 (7,400) nm. " Wheras on AM with the best engine it is "Range 6,750".



The range quoted in Airbus' website is for either -300X or -300E, first delievered 1996 and 2004 respectively. Those two have the same range (8510mi) in the database.

Quote from: "Jane's All the World's Aircrafts"
A typical three-class layout seats 295 in A340-300, 239 in the A340-200, 313 in A340-500 and 380 in A340-600. Single-class seating capacities for A340-300/200/500/600 are 440, 420, 375 and 475 respectively.


Thus corrected.
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Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 12:04:33 pm
Is the tiny bit with the MD-11 that important? We tend to use max seats max range fyi.

Pax for B767's should be reasonably close to real data... except JAWA claims one could squeeze 409 seats in -400ER, whiile we have 390 as pax. (And ofc, Seattle's source is dead wrong.)
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Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 09:28:02 pm
Thank you very much for updating the seats, one other thing

Aircraft Name     Seats     Cargo     Speed     Range     Withdrawn     Cockpit Crew     Cabin Crew     Turn Time     Price                  Engines                                   Fuel Usage     
Airbus A330-300   440   0         464       4500      2013                 2                   9                     1.76              €193,057,610    General Electric CF6-80E1A2    1,701.00 Buy

Airbus A330-300 LR 440 0        464        5450       2013               2                    9                      1.76              €204,475,897   Pratt & Whitney PW-4164          1,701.00 Buy

Airbus A340-200 420 0             475        7450         2013             2                     9                     1.68              €357,549,413   CFM International CFM56-5C     4,453.00 Buy

Airbus A340-300 440 0             475         6700       2013              2                     9                    1.76               €363,631,893   CFM International CFM56-5C     4,642.00 Buy


The fuel usage for the A340 seems to be way off compared to the A330-300 (I won't even argue about the new price).


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Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 10:31:49 pm
Actually its quite correct since the engines are called "hairdryers" since A340 uses 4 smaller engines than 2 777/767 sized engines. As well as the engines are a bit outdated compared to newer one (corect me if I'm wrong).


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Reply #13 on: May 26, 2008, 11:21:05 pm
It may use 4 engines instead of two but those 4 engines are each not consuming anything near what the engines of the A330 or 767/777 are consuming. The A343 at cruise consumes between 12k and 14k pph total at cruise (which is around 2300 gallons per hour) which is actually near what the A330-300 consumes with its two Larger engines. Its interesting to note that they have the 747-400's fuel consumption as 4,320.00 which using the current figures would suggest that the A343 consumes more than it  :)


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Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 03:55:36 am
Fuel is calculated by a formula, not real life data.
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