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Reply #15 on: January 19, 2008, 03:48:25 pm
Seattle's are okayish..... Amtrak always get delayed in the winter becuase of mudslides, but thats usually it.
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Reply #16 on: January 19, 2008, 06:31:04 pm
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I only took the KCR until Shatin. Never been to the boarder between HKG and China, I think that's Lo Wu. KCR or MTR or What ever it is are great especially on MTR where you get to speak on you phone even if you're under water. Connection between the lines are fast and efficient. Although the only one that seems a little bit far to walk. (HKG standard) is between kowloon tong with the KCR and the greeen Line.


KLT isn't that bad compared to Tsim Sha Tsui and TST East...that's a loooooong way to walk. And if you've heard anything about how they plan to extend the Ma On Shan extensions all the way down to Wanchai until Central has 4 lines going through it.....whoa......

I've never heard about the Ma On Shan Line, but looking though the net i see it's in the new territories. Which is very far from the vibrant city, as i said the farthest i've been is shatin. I think i have an Idea about TST and TST east. But adding another line into Central will make make central even crowded. But if that is going to ease transport problem then i guess it's the right direction they've taken. Im so used at the interchange in MongKok and Prince Edward that when i changed lines at KLT it seemed very far. The HKG rail map is one of the easiest to read unlike the one in London, spent an hour before figuring out how to get to piccadilly circus.
     
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Reply #17 on: January 19, 2008, 07:49:33 pm
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But adding another line into Central will make make central even crowded. But if that is going to ease transport problem then i guess it's the right direction they've taken.


Who are we joking here? THe transport problem is never going to be solved, and it is much more cost efficient to double the fleet of KMB using that money~.

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Im so used at the interchange in MongKok and Prince Edward that when i changed lines at KLT it seemed very far.


lol. You can't compare switching trains / walking across the platform to going from one railroad system to another.

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The HKG rail map is one of the easiest to read unlike the one in London, spent an hour before figuring out how to get to piccadilly circus.


Wait till you see the new one. I found it confusing when I went home this past christmas, after KCR merged into MTR. THe system map is too elaborated~
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Reply #18 on: January 19, 2008, 08:00:59 pm
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everything the same for Amtrak except for the dirty part, the strike, and Hartmut Mehdorn. :|

I use the other one, Metra [Chicago].
It runs through my grandma's town.
I thought my uncle was going to try to clean it up when he was mayor :roll: He left that to the other one.
Marta [Atlanta] is an okay system :roll:



How would the mayor of Chicago 'clean-up' Metra?????   Not even King Daley has control over the RTA.    And he is the most powerful mayor since his dad.  RTA has always been stuck with hand-me-down, cast-offs, recoveries, and leftovers for equipment.  They are still running bi-level push-pull trainsets left over from when the Chicago Northwestern ran the Milwaukee North Lake Shore line with E-8's and E-9's.

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Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 08:04:12 pm
I found the Metra system to be quite unreliable on weekends when I used it. The excuse was always not enough horse-power. Ever hear of DMUs lads? The Spanish CAF Commuter ones operated in Ireland were doing 150 mile intercity runs for months and managed that much. Surely a double header or more can do a local service?

Commuting in Chicago:


Commuting in Ireland:


Granted the passenger capacity is different, but higher frequency should solve that one. The Chicago standard where I was, had a 6 car set, while the Irish one is 8 car.
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Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 08:16:19 pm
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everything the same for Amtrak except for the dirty part, the strike, and Hartmut Mehdorn. :|

I use the other one, Metra [Chicago].
It runs through my grandma's town.
I thought my uncle was going to try to clean it up when he was mayor :roll: He left that to the other one.
Marta [Atlanta] is an okay system :roll:



How would the mayor of Chicago 'clean-up' Metra?????   Not even King Daley has control over the RTA.    And he is the most powerful mayor since his dad.  RTA has always been stuck with hand-me-down, cast-offs, recoveries, and leftovers for equipment.  They are still running bi-level push-pull trainsets left over from when the Chicago Northwestern ran the Milwaukee North Lake Shore line with E-8's and E-9's.

I meant the station in Libertyville. It was pretty old. He remodeled it :roll:
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Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 08:23:35 pm
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I found the Metra system to be quite unreliable on weekends when I used it. The excuse was always not enough horse-power. Ever hear of DMUs lads? The Spanish CAF Commuter ones operated in Ireland were doing 150 mile intercity runs for months and managed that much. Surely a double header or more can do a local service?

Commuting in Chicago:


Commuting in Ireland:


Granted the passenger capacity is different, but higher frequency should solve that one. The Chicago standard where I was, had a 6 car set, while the Irish one is 8 car.


Metra tends to run Amtrak leftovers [like a lot of commuter-lines in the states].  oh, and generally finds funding sources an issue as though Chicago area mass transit systems have one of the lowest [either Chicago or NYC has the lowest actually] public funding %'s, it's never enough.  Chicago and NYC are both near the 50%s.

oh and you neglected to mention Irish appears to be single-decker and electric, whereas Chicago's Metra is double-decker and diesel. [based on the picture, the closer facsimile in Chicago area is the L, as that's single-deck and electric].  the diesel vs electric can be a big difference, as it can tend towards the difference between one engine doing all the work, and every car doubling as an engine.
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Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 08:32:03 pm
Single deck, but the train shown is Diesel. Anything outside of a small Electrified network is Diesel. And its only the East Coast, the majority of Irish lines run into Dublin Heuston, and thats 100% Diesel.
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Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 08:55:21 pm
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lol. You can't compare switching trains / walking across the platform to going from one railroad system to another.


Well where i live just to change lines i need to walk a lot. The KLT between the green line and the KCR is nothing. Even if i start from festival walk, it's still near.
Currently when i get off, i need to walk the stairs, then walk then take the stairs again.
     
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Reply #24 on: January 19, 2008, 09:06:47 pm
is that a 29XX DMU?

I was reading up about DMUs in UK and Ireland to find out about those that I have running on my current game of Locomotion.

I have a system which runs on:

Pacer Family:
(DMU) Class 142 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:142020_at_York.JPG
(DMU) Class 144 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:144001lincoln.JPG

Sprinter Family:
(DMU) Class 150 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:150217_%27Oliver_Cromwell%27_at_Ipswich.JPG
(DMU) Class 153 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:153373_at_Plymouth.JPG
(DMU) Class 156 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:156416_at_Cambridge.JPG
(DMU) Class 158 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:158869_at_Truro.JPG (it looks quite like the IE Class 27XX even though the 158 is 10 years older and built by a different manufacturer.
(DMU) Class 159 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Axminster-159018-03.jpg

Networker Family:
(DMU) Class 165 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:165117_at_Royal_Oak_13-4-07.jpg
(DMU) Class 166 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:166202_at_Evesham.JPG
(EMU) Class 325 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:325016-Crewe-01.jpg (Mail train)
(EMU) Class 365 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FirstCapitalConnect_Unit365505.jpg
(EMU) Class 465 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:465237_at_Waterloo_East.jpg
(EMU) Class 466 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IMG_0566.jpg

Turbostar Family:
(DMU) Class 168 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chiltern_at_Marylebone.jpg
(DMU) Class 170 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:170206_at_Marks_Tay.jpg
(DMU) Class 171 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:171802_at_York_Railfest.jpg

Coradia Family:
(DMU) Class 180 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:180110_at_Bath_Spa.JPG

Desiro Family:
(EMU) Class 444 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:444023_at_Clapham_Junction.JPG
(EMU) Class 450 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UK450015.jpg

Electrostar Family:
(EMU) Class 375 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NewCross-375913-01crop.jpg
(EMU) Class 377 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Southern_377203_at_Kensington_Olympia_03.jpg

Voyager Family:
(DMU) Class 220 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Virgin_Voyager_220003_2005-06-09_03.jpg
(DMU) Class 221 - _Parkway_westbound_2006-05-03_02.jpg" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Class_221_Virgin_Voyager_approaching_Bristol _Parkway_westbound_2006-05-03_02.jpg

Others:
(DL) Class 43 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:City_of_Bristol_Class_43_locomotive_01.jpg
(DL) Class 57 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:57304_%27Gordon_Tracy%27_at_Crewe.jpg
(DL) Class 66 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:66713_%27Forest_City%27_at_Crewe_Works.jpg
(EL) Class 87 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:87005_%27City_of_London%27_at_London_Euston.JPG
(EL) Class 92 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:92027_George_Eliot_at_Stafford.jpg



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Reply #25 on: January 19, 2008, 09:09:16 pm
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is that a 29XX DMU?


Yes, it skipped conventional numbering (2600, 2700, 2800) and went to 29000. The latest InterCity DMUs are 22000s
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Reply #26 on: January 19, 2008, 09:22:35 pm
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That's the only word to describe network rail ;)

You can pay over £200 for Manchester - London - Manchester return, yet fly into London City airport (expensive...) for about £140! Only about £80 into Heathrow or Gatwick...

Now, which do you prefer ;)?

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which will become a grand total of about 400 pounds after you add tax  :roll:


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Reply #27 on: January 19, 2008, 09:47:12 pm
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I found the Metra system to be quite unreliable on weekends when I used it. The excuse was always not enough horse-power. Ever hear of DMUs lads? The Spanish CAF Commuter ones operated in Ireland were doing 150 mile intercity runs for months and managed that much. Surely a double header or more can do a local service?

Commuting in Chicago:




That's RTA(Metra) which serves the burbs and not really Chicago.  Look at the station in the picture.  Its in Praire View Illinois.  Its WAY out in Lake County.  Its close to being Wisconsin rather than Chicago.  And like has already been pointed out.  Its an FP-40 with a set of leftover bi-level coaches.    It probably junked out Amtrak power from the air conditioners on the roof of the engine. They run freight tracks in ALOT of places and are more unreliable on the weekends......  Seems like someone always manages to screw them up somehow.

True commuting in Chicago looks like this.....
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1003056321013791390jMPpPvvjzZ

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Reply #28 on: January 19, 2008, 09:53:11 pm
Ah sorry, I didn't realise you ment that style of train. The closest we have is the DART:
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Reply #29 on: January 19, 2008, 11:16:38 pm
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That's the only word to describe network rail ;)

You can pay over £200 for Manchester - London - Manchester return, yet fly into London City airport (expensive...) for about £140! Only about £80 into Heathrow or Gatwick...

Now, which do you prefer ;)?

Sam

which will become a grand total of about 400 pounds after you add tax  :roll:


What I love is Air Southwest Plymouth - Bristol route, it would take the same time (1hr b4 check in), and cost exactly the same as the time and fule spent driving there!


 

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