Game hasn't even started but cheating already has!

[Air Elbonia]

i have a suggestion, that could eliminate the false accusations of brokers being cheaters. take them off of the rankings. i assume the brokers also actually play the game. why can't their broker business, and airline be separated? display airline and airline value in the rankings, and then maybe a separate ranking to rank the brokers that exist.

dont yell at me, i cant think of anything wrong with this idea. just throwing it out there.

Brokers, and how to fit them into the normal picture of the game is the question of the century.  It'll be a while before a good answer is found i think, as brokers solely brokering seems to be a little problematic with regards to keeping pace, operating them together (as presently) gets them accusations of cheating, and giving them two airlines: one for brokerage, one for gameplay, doesn't work for both the lack of financing for the brokerage, as well as the potential for accusations of abuse for having two airlines to play with.

innovative thinking is welcome on the subject though.

[rocketboy]

Why not have the brokers on a separate ranking. This way they would compete to be the top brokerage. Also, if brokers want an airline they could be prevented from brokering to themselves, thus they would have to rely on each other to get planes.

I think with this scheme you could open up the brokerages as it would essentially become a separate competition. Brokers would start with a certain amount of cash and planes and then use sales to build their businesses. This would foster competition and prevent the current sudo-socialist situation that seems to be drawing so much negative attention.

I think this would make the game more realistic in the end but realise that it would mean sort of another game running in parallel with the airlines game and that might require a lot of work.

Tom

South Asian Airways -1859

[blastpast]

Why not have the brokers on a separate ranking. This way they would compete to be the top brokerage. Also, if brokers want an airline they could be prevented from brokering to themselves, thus they would have to rely on each other to get planes.

I think with this scheme you could open up the brokerages as it would essentially become a separate competition. Brokers would start with a certain amount of cash and planes and then use sales to build their businesses. This would foster competition and prevent the current sudo-socialist situation that seems to be drawing so much negative attention.

I think this would make the game more realistic in the end but realise that it would mean sort of another game running in parallel with the airlines game and that might require a lot of work.

Tom

South Asian Airways -1859

i really do agree with tom's rendering of this idea. it wouldnt be like two airlines. it would be an airline, with a business on the side that does not consist of actually building an airline. although i do acknowledge that it would be pretty difficult. unless these brokers were allowed to have a second account that could be made into a special brokerage account and not set up the same way. it's seeming more and more difficult the more i type. lol

[blastpast]

The problem of us gettting more planes, and then operating more routes, and thus "crushing" our competitiors still remains.

If you seperate the accounts, ... we have said why that wouldn't work either.

this wouldnt exist if the second account was not an actual airline. you'd have one account like a normal airline, and you would not be able to broker airplanes from yourself. thus it would even competition, and reduce complaints.

[dktc]

this wouldnt exist if the second account was not an actual airline. you'd have one account like a normal airline, and you would not be able to broker airplanes from yourself. thus it would even competition, and reduce complaints.

And the brokerage account would go broke and go out of operation.
http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2300
Read the posts before you reply! :x

And for the record, we are not allowed to broker planes to ourselves anyway. Another bloody myth.

[blastpast]

this wouldnt exist if the second account was not an actual airline. you'd have one account like a normal airline, and you would not be able to broker airplanes from yourself. thus it would even competition, and reduce complaints.

And the brokerage account would go broke and go out of operation.
http://stephenm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2300
Read the posts before you reply! :x

And for the record, we are not allowed to broker planes to ourselves anyway. Another bloody myth.

the title in that post has nothing to do with this idea/topic that we're discussing right now. i dont have time to go into a post that has a title not related to what im talking about, just in case. and im not reading that one right now, but im sorry if this was all talked about. but i dont see what the problem is. the brokerage account would not go broke and out of business. it would not have gate fees or anything like that to cost them. give them 500,000 euro and 1 aircraft. they can either sell that one aircraft and with the 500k euro, purchase multiple smaller planes to lease. they can then raise enough money to start taking actual brokerage deals in and ordering aircraft. or start them with more money too. or they can just lease the aircraft they were started with until they have money to broker. with the fees, they only make money. they have no fees to pay. therefore they would be basically guarenteed not to go out of business. and depending on the few decisions that they have to make, they will compete in a set of their own rankings. but i will accept that it cant work even though i think otherwise. i just ask that it stay concidered.

[dktc]

They pay for the scraps they receive without a choice.
They pay for the costs of maintenance.
They pay the devaluation of money while it is sitting in an order (time-value-money).
They can't afford to lease out planes based on your model.
They would never get to a point where they could accept larger requests worth billions, because they can't even keep up with the growth of 1 single airline. (the profit % and $ are way low)
They would have cash flow problems, as in they have asset, but not cash (because the cash is either tied up with orders, unsold planes, or leased out planes)

[Jps]

They pay for the scraps they receive without a choice.
They pay for the costs of maintenance.
They pay the devaluation of money while it is sitting in an order (time-value-money).
They can't afford to lease out planes based on your model.
They would never get to a point where they could accept larger requests worth billions, because they can't even keep up with the growth of 1 single airline. (the profit % and $ are way low)
They would have cash flow problems, as in they have asset, but not cash (because the cash is either tied up with orders, unsold planes, or leased out planes)

Ouch... that's a lot of expenses and a lot of profit  

[blastpast]

They pay for the scraps they receive without a choice.
They pay for the costs of maintenance.
They pay the devaluation of money while it is sitting in an order (time-value-money).
They can't afford to lease out planes based on your model.
They would never get to a point where they could accept larger requests worth billions, because they can't even keep up with the growth of 1 single airline. (the profit % and $ are way low)
They would have cash flow problems, as in they have asset, but not cash (because the cash is either tied up with orders, unsold planes, or leased out planes)

not sure what you mean by they cant afford to lease out planes based on my model, but i understand your other points and i appologize for arguing when i didn't know everything that was involved in a brokerage in the first place. but the arguing could've been avoided too if the few reasons you just listed were pointed out to me in the first place. oh well. sorry.

[Armygrognard]

i have a suggestion, that could eliminate the false accusations of brokers being cheaters. take them off of the rankings. i assume the brokers also actually play the game. why can't their broker business, and airline be separated? display airline and airline value in the rankings, and then maybe a separate ranking to rank the brokers that exist.

dont yell at me, i cant think of anything wrong with this idea. just throwing it out there.

Brokers, and how to fit them into the normal picture of the game is the question of the century.  It'll be a while before a good answer is found i think, as brokers solely brokering seems to be a little problematic with regards to keeping pace, operating them together (as presently) gets them accusations of cheating, and giving them two airlines: one for brokerage, one for gameplay, doesn't work for both the lack of financing for the brokerage, as well as the potential for accusations of abuse for having two airlines to play with.

innovative thinking is welcome on the subject though.

This is where you need to go back to my suggestion regarding different measures of success.  Give people MORE ways of 'winning' and there will be less of this.  Total value won't be quite the issue that it is.

[StephenM]

Give people MORE ways of 'winning' and there will be less of this.  Total value won't be quite the issue that it is.

Its on my to-do list.

[Armygrognard]

Give people MORE ways of 'winning' and there will be less of this.  Total value won't be quite the issue that it is.

Its on my to-do list.

Danke.

[dktc]

Danke.

Answering for Stephen., "Bitte".

[Jps]

? Confused ?

[dktc]

? Confused ?

Thanks and welcome (or literally "please") in German.