The Use of 0.5 Frequency "Cheat"

[Danny]

I agree this is a problem. 0.5 frequency plus ultra cheap CRJ allowed this "cheat".

[StephenM]

I think despite what might happen now might be a good time to fix the CRJs price.

[sla31]

I agree.  Can you post a list of planes you do change though.  So I can update my price list.

[dktc]

I agree.  Can you post a list of planes you do change though.  So I can update my price list.

That and could you let us know when you will change the price, so we could get some stocks in advance?

[StephenM]

Now that would be something your going to have to take a chance on.

[MrOrange]

Oh come on, give us a break

[StephenM]

Well then, may be now is a good time to buy them.

[warreng24]

I can understand a legitimate use of the 0.5 frequency.

If you have two hubs at DEN and ORD, you could run a 0.5 frequency from ORD to IAD, then another 0.5 frequency from IAD to DEN.

Perhaps we need a check to ensure that the aircraft has a way to get to the next departure airport on the schedule?

Example:

An airline is running a 777-300ER on the CLT-MHT route using 0.5 frequency.  This makes no sense.  The aircraft is simply remaining at MHT.  It never leaves MHT.  Perhaps, the simulation needs to address "ferry" flights.  Where the aircraft is "ferried" to the next scheduled departure, the fuel costs of the "ferry" should be included.

BTW- This 0.5 frequency 777-300ER seems rather stupid IMHO.

[Air Elbonia]

We assume that the aircraft is capable of flying a return flight to the hub for all one-ways (the next day).

and usually short-route large aircraft are just using up leftover hours from long-haul routes.

[Evanescent]

One solution might be to make it impossible to do 0.5 frequencies where a "1" is possible.

Ie. Heathrow to Dusseldorf with a 737-300 (No 0.5's - maybe 1.5/2.5?)
Heathrow to Johannesburg with a 767-300ER (0.5 frequency allowed, as thats all the aircraft can manage IIRC)

It'd maybe be more complicated, but could it be tied in with demand as well? Where routes with average or poor demand could be flown one way, but routes with good or excellent demand couldnt? (where range allows).
This might encourage airlines to operate "unpopular routes". I might send an ATR42 from Cardiff to the Isle of Man one way, but I might not be able to turn a decent profit doing a daily return.

in the real world, airlines often operate 3weekly frequencies on long haul or low demand... but rarely do for high density commuter routes. I see no reason why a longhaul flight cant land, stay overnight and return!!! I also dont see why a shorthaul flight would only fly one way when a return home is perfectly possible!

Apologies if this has been suggested before.

[Blue Sky Mine]

I think one .5 flight per plane is realistic... but not more!

[dktc]

I think one .5 flight per plane is realistic... but not more!

Nah... realistically, most planes on domestic routes in US are flying one way, and in loops. That is they fly from A->B, B->C, C->D, D->E, E->A. Those are all 0.5 frequencies. They may never fly the other way in months (because those flights are taken cared by other planes). The problem exists more on how the revenue is calculated for 0.5 flights than having them be available.

[Scandalian Airlines]

A->B, B->C, C->D, D->E, E->A.

That's the way many flights are operated, and also "via" routes, like Amsterdam-Singapore-Sydney for KLM. Would love an option like that.
And I try to stay away from 0.5 but I have two 0.5 flights on different aircraft so they can be used 100%. It's annoying when som airlines run 60 0.5 routes and just a handful 1 routes from their hubs
A 1 route should always be more profitable than a 0.5!

[dktc]

A 1 route should always be more profitable than a 0.5!

I will rephrase that....
... a 1 route should always be at least as profitable as 2 0.5 routes

[zvezdaman]

this is sorta weird....

ALQ157188   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ200867   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ200870   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ155401   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ153845   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ150051   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ157219   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ154921   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ157021   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ200872   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ155367   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
ALQ200866   Luoyang Beijiao   0.5     
CH7158732   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158727   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158725   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7164480   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7164481   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7158733   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158734   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7164485   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7164486   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7164484   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7164479   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7164478   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7158717   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158730   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158716   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158718   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158720   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158719   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7164477   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7158723   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7164476   Shanghai - Hongqiao   0.5     
CH7158724   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
CH7158729   Zhengzhou Xinzheng   0.5     
MKA161888   Sydney   0.5     
dww158762   Fukuoka   0.5     
AAW168788   Bangkok   0.5     
CPX178906   Hiroshima   0.5     
CPX204573   Chennai/Madras - Meenambakam A   0.5     
CPX195749   Urumqi Diwopu   0.5     
CPX169776   Guangzhou   0.5     
NEO204682   Sanya Fenghuang   0.5     
NEO201351   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NEO203976   Singapore   0.5     
NEO203747   Osaka-Itami   0.5     
NEO200741   Sanya Fenghuang   0.5     
NEO200742   Sanya Fenghuang   0.5     
NEO204830   Osaka-Itami   0.5     
NEO201338   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NEO201342   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NJ193988   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NJ193985   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NJ193981   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NJ193419   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5     
NJ193923   Sanya Fenghuang   0.5     
NJ191721   Sanya Fenghuang   0.5     
NJ193417   Fuzhou Chengle   0.5   


this was what I found for arrivals at Beijing Capital Airport. I wanted to fly there from BEG--but all the gates are taken for this!