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General Chat / so regret to be broker!

« on: January 02, 2008, 05:52:33 am »

is there any mark-up on it?

i found that there is 0% of markup on it... :S
that means i earn nothing from it...
but it is a good experience...

yeah, plus you can know you helped someone out. just hopefully not your competition! you could earn quite a bit if the airline doesnt purchase it from you. then you have an aircraft at 66.6% it's original cost! good luck

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General Chat / so regret to be broker!

« on: January 01, 2008, 04:54:20 pm »

is there any mark-up on it?

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General Chat / so regret to be broker!

« on: January 01, 2008, 04:41:22 pm »

happy new year to you too. it sounds like you took someone elses brokerage request. what you are doing is paying for 66.6% of the aircraft, and they are paying for the other 33.3%. it gets delivered to you, and automatically listed as for sale to the other airline. they have 3 real days to pay you back the 66.6% (plus any mark-up, which would be your profit). If they fail to pay you the 66.6% after the 3 days are up, you may unlist it from sale, and the aircraft is yours. so either you break even, plus any mark-up, or you get the brand new aircraft at 66.6% of it's normal cost. if the mark up is 0%, then you will make 0 euro's profit. i normally list mine at 5-7%, which means on a 10,000,000 euro aircraft, i'd be giving you 500,000-700,000 euro's extra for letting me basically borrow money from you.

do you understand?

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General Chat / Santa's Sleigh

« on: December 28, 2007, 09:23:28 am »

I scrapped two..  

Stephen gave me one for finding a bug

lol, what a reward

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General Chat / early reset?

« on: November 22, 2007, 02:02:54 am »

i wasnt exactly saying that i wanted it, i just wondered what everyone though. i do know that i personally don't have all that much left that i can do, and i look at the game date and i'm thinking "oh my, over 6 game years to go of not being able to do much of anything?"

i looked but didnt see a way to disable chat. i didn't want a big discussion or argument on this, just a simple poll.

i wouldn't be totally against giving the staff some time off to complete updates and such, but not this early. i didn't think a reset would create more work. but i guess i just don't know what running a game like this requires. manually resetting every account? manually deleting aircraft and such? or is it as simple as ONE click of the mouse?

just was curious. if there's any way to lock the chat, but not the poll, that would be great if someone would do that.

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General Chat / early reset?

« on: November 22, 2007, 01:24:53 am »

just a quick poll to see if anyone wants to reset at the end of 1954, and start a 5 yr round from 1955-1959.

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General Chat / Price slashing...Is there really a point to it or...

« on: November 22, 2007, 01:07:59 am »

Air New Zealand(real life) did dollar fares for a period of time. It was a promotion.

but once again, you just said it. "a period of time" and "promotion". these airlines putting 10 freq at 1 euro when everyone else is in the hundreds or even thousands and leaving it there is just rediculous. and because it will never show up on their low loadfactor list, they dont see it, and probobly never change it.

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General Chat / Price slashing...Is there really a point to it or...

« on: November 18, 2007, 12:37:28 am »

yeah. i seriously think this needs to be fixed but everywhere else i've seen it talked about, the conclusion is that it's all competition. but i think ther's such thing as fair competition and unfair competition.   and then the promotion talk, how many airlines do you know right now will run promotions when theyre filling their planes to the maximum? the only ones would be to try to get some who dont know about them on their planes to convince them that they're a good airlne. so then they'll fly them when at full price.

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General Chat / Price slashing...Is there really a point to it or...

« on: November 18, 2007, 12:19:03 am »

so you mean since you're allowed to sell a ticket at that amount it's legal and ok?

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General Chat / Price slashing...Is there really a point to it or...

« on: November 17, 2007, 11:39:09 pm »

well he didnt say the one at 400 euro's were still filling thier plane. he said they were still up there, and all planes were at least 200 or more, so why should someone be able to come in and put a 5 or 10 euro route or w/e. just enough to break even. there's this one airline from vancouver that does 10 euros route on every route i found him on. on one route there was just one other airline on there. who was still able to charge 900 euro's. but the point is that when there gets to be so many airlines on the route, those 10 euro routes effect everyone. so if there's 2 airlines on it right now, the other one shouldnt really care, but when there's up to 10 airlines on the route, it effects everyone else on that route.

and im sick of the answer it's competition. because it's not competition when there's no reason for it. the answer competition means doing what is needed to make as much money or more money than your competition. that's the first, the second is making sure your planes filled.

now instead, these people want to be the only one on the route, they want to not have to edit it ever, and they want to pick low enough one that every else cant still undercut them and make a profit. that is not competition.

now it'd be a promotion if it was for a limited time, but when you have to edit the route once every game week or once every game month, and you see the cheap route time after time after time, it's not a promotion. you cant have a permanent promotion at cost. these people are commiting sabotage agasint the game

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General Chat / Some Players are killing the game

« on: November 16, 2007, 09:57:48 am »

In my opinion, rational non-advertisement talk about other games, typically in moderation is alright.  I know at most sites you can't talk about other games, you especially cannot advertise them. but here I'm willing to name names as long as it isn't strongly advertisement themed.  It is, however, at any mod's discretion as to determining if something is advertising or not. so still be careful.

fair enough.

i've checked out the site but AM seems much better. obviously still things to add and constant bugs to fix, but i love playing it in any spare time i have. i love the open chat, specifically the way the heads, such as air elbonia, communicate and see what's wanted and needed to keep making the game better. i have the urge to tell everyone who puts their time into this game, whether there's any compensation or not, that the time and effort is greatly appreciated. not sure where i'd be without this game.   ... hmm im a loser... jk, spare time.

thanks

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General Chat / Some Players are killing the game

« on: November 16, 2007, 08:15:57 am »

i dont know if it's fobidden to be talked about in here or not............everyone always calls it a nickname or just AE....... lol

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General Chat / Some Players are killing the game

« on: November 15, 2007, 08:34:44 pm »

As far as the log book or order book, my only problem with that is that is what the "blue game" has, and it can be a problem.  If very successful airline X orders 500 aircraft and the manufacturer can only deliver 10 a day you have to wait until his order is done before you can receive aircraft.

well of course i think you'd have to still have a limit of what can be delivered per airline. i was just saying that the book i think is a great idea. but you would definitly have to have a cap on it. such as 2 per hour/game day or something. now see the problem i have with that is the game does one day per hour. so if someone did order say 50 aircraft, and it was spread out 2 per real hour, they'd be delivered during the time you're sleeping and the aircraft would then just be sitting there until you can do it. at least now you can order 50 planes at a certain time that you know you will be available tomorrow and can take the time to set all of those routes up. which could be another thing contributing to speedy growth.

we might as well have a game calender where you can select which day you want your plane(s) delivered on.

the other option for the 500 aircraft order and waiting for it could be that everyone who puts an order in, say they can take 75 orders per plane per day/hour, if 74 airlines were to put an order in, and 3 of those airlines put orders in for 2 planes, but the rest were only one, it could make sure all of the airlines would get at least one plane delivered first, then go back through for a second plane based on the order the planes were ordered in. i'll do an example with a small number

Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 1 --  2 Boeing 733's
Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 2 --  1 Boeing 733
Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 3 -- 70 Boeing 733's
Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 4 --  1 Boeing 733
Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 5 --  2 Boeing 733's
Aug 3, 2006 -- Example Airways 6 --  1 Boeing 733

so EA1,2,3,4,5, and 6 would all get 1 aircraft first. Then the next round, EA1,3, and 5 would all get their second aircraft. Now EA3 can get the rest of their aircraft delivered. However, they ordered 2 more aircraft than what's allowed. so they get 68 of their 70 delivered, but the other 2 go over to the next day.  Now for the next day, you make it so any that carry over are first. meaning you still go through the next day one round after the other one aircraft at a time. so delivery time would be based on demand. so if only one airline ordered, and they ordered 70 aircraft, they'd end up having all those delievered. but there would still be the cap of 75 no matter if there's an additional cap or not.

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General Chat / Why did you guy want to start in the 1950s?

« on: November 15, 2007, 11:05:26 am »

L-1049 Super Constellation and R6Vs are hardly small planes.  1950s definitely has been fun for me, and informative.  I don't think I would've read as much about many aircraft in this era if it wasn't for AM and this round.

exactly. i think i voted for the 60's, but at this point im glad the 50's won. i've enjoyed so far the reserch of the planes and such. finding out planes i never knew existed.

plus it adds length to the game. jets and today's aircraft will come soon enough. it was a chance for AM to go back further and give the users a little different experience. we'll be ordering 747's soon enough...

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General Chat / Some Players are killing the game

« on: November 15, 2007, 11:00:18 am »

Though this isn't a true simulation, we might want to look at what really happens when an airline forms in order to solve our problems.  

They don't just start out with a dc3 and 5mill in the bank.  They start out with a huge debt and financial backers.  Perhaps we should start out with a loan that needs repaid.  Also I don't know of any airline that shows up at Boeing with a suitcase full of money and just starts buying planes.  They have to be financed, they cost alot of money and frequently have to be leased.  Also the aircraft companies only have X amount of production available.  The idea that an airline can order 1000 DC6's and have them delivered 24 days later is outrageous.  How long did it take to make a dc6?  How many could Douglas produce in a month?  All of these factors should figure in and give the answer to how long it takes to get a plane.  It would cause the used market to be more than just a dumping ground for planes that cant get sold.  Also, sometimes scrapping a plane is worth more than the plane itsself, perhaps that needs looked at as well.

The loan at the start would cause those airlines that make poor business decisions to go under quickly.  

Food for thought.

well the starting out with huge debt part is not exactly true. depending on who you ask. like some rich business men *cough* Richard Branson *cough*cough*, just start the airline with money that was already sitting in their pocket. which means technically the company is in debt until it starts making money, but the owner is no where near debt.

but maybe this is part of a solution. starting out in debt, climing out before you can grow.   also i think we forget that there's 1870 airlines in our game. I don't think there's than many in the real world today... although not all of those 1870 are that active, but most are. boeing only got 1000 orders in 2006. numbers are of course higher this year, and have been climing every year. that was just an answer to the idea of looking at how airlines take orders and deliver now. you cant base it off of that. unless you take the number of airlines and see how that goes into the number of airlines we have and multiply it that way. that might work.

we also forget i guess that airlines have other fee's and costs. i don't think we pay enough fees and costs in the games. taxes for headquarters and buildings and properties and hangers. there are licenses, certificates, insurance, computers, radio system and radios for ground communications at main airports.

there's mecanical problems. which means either an airline would have to have an inactive aircraft that could replace that one, or cancel the flights. there are also unfortunate incidents as accidents. tail clippings on the taxiway, etc.

all these things are kind of hard to put in the game, and are kind of silly too because they're so little. but i think it all adds up to what could be wanted here. slower growth and a more realistic game. of course this is not the solution to everything that has been discussed here, and im not even suggesting it. i like the game the way it is. but these are reasons.

of course then yeah there's no way an airline could have 1000 or even 100 aircraft of the same type purchased and recieved in the same day. now i like the idea of a log book. we could say each manufacturer could have an assembly plant for each type of their aircraft. say each plant could deliver 75 planes every game day/real hour. the "book" would keep a log of all orders coming in. so say one game day there are 40 orders total for a 733, the next game day there are 125 orders. the following day there are another 26 orders placed. 24 days from from the 40 orders placed the planes are delivered, the next day, only 75 of the 125 could be delivered, leaving 50 remaining to be delivered the next day. the following day the remaining 50 are delivered along with 25 of the 26 ordered 24 days prior, leaving one to carry over to the next day. and so on.

anyone bored of my typing? me