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Is the C-series poised to make a comeback? Maybe a stretched CS-500 seating 160-170? Theoretically, the C can be stretched to accomodate up to 170 passengers, possibly more. The DC-9 family featured a narrower fuselage, yet was stretched to seat 172.
No, it seems more like we're trying to tell you that there's no contest to be had here, and if there was one it wouldn't be as horribly lopsided as you're making it out to be.The numbers are simple. 1377x NEOs vs 185x MC-21 vs 100x C919 vs 0 737RE. How can that not be lopsided?
Besides, Southwest has also expressed interest in the NEO.They have had talks but nothing even close to an order, if they did it would jeopardize there low-cost model.
Well Boeing hasn't side anything so the best we can say is the rumors going around the internet, which according to this one, says that the 737RE will be 2% more efficient then the NEO, and have between 90%-95% commonality with today’s 737NG.The 737RE will overtake the Airbus NEOI think thats extremely doubtful. The 737NG is slightly superior to the A320 Classic, but it rarely outsells the A320. And the NEO will by all accounts be a superior superior plane to the RE. The NEO will gain winglets, more efficient engines and an improved wing-body fairing. The RE just can't get as big engines (even Boeing says that), meaning a 2% disadvantage in burn. And it already has winglets, so it can't be improved there.
Boeing has only 100 orders because the 737 RE isn't even launched yet. The board of directors still have to approve it. After the launch it there will be lots of orders.
Again, they are only commitments, not orders.
Why hasn't the board approved it yet? Because Boeing was caught sleeping. Boeing doesn't have anything on its drawing board to be approved yet. It only dawned opun Boeing that something was wrong at the Paris Air Show, 7 weeks ago. If Boeing really had a 737RE that was about to be approved, they would have approved it shortly after being humiliated at Paris, even if the design team wasn't ready yet.
Panamanian Copa Airlines has also expressed an interest in the re-engined 737.
The company is now set with its fleet plans but is obviously anxious to discuss the planned 737 re-engining programme and whether future deliveries can be converted.
The NEO continues it's charge:
CIT firms up 50 A320NEO
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/10/360578/cit-firms-up-order-for-50-a320neos.html
Cebu Pacific places order for 30 firm A321NEO
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/08/360452/cebu-pacific-signs-firm-order-for-30-a321neos.html
In the past 7 days, Lufthansa also ordered 25 A320NEO and 5 A321NEO, and Garuda ordered 10 A320NEO.
So far the 737RE only has a commitment for 100 planes'
8994 737s have been ordered to date (since 1965 - 46 years), with some 6848 delivered. The backlog is at 2146.
7562 A320s have been ordered to date (since 1984 - 27 years), with some 4728 delivered. The backlog is at 2834.
QuoteWhereas most LCCs would order the 737-700 or A319 in the past, nowadays they find the A320 and 737-800 more profitable.Why does Westjet then have an order for Boeing 737-700, very few 737-800. Source: http://www.westjet.com/pdf/ourFleet/fleetpdf_en.pdf
Because they are upsizing from the 737-600!
Anyways, Westjet hasn't ordered any planes since 2007 if i'm not mistaken. The trend with larger planes started when the oil prices peaked in 2008/2009, and the economic downturn ended.
The C-series, as good as it is, will seat at most 145 passengers in a 1 class config.Right now with current models, but they might build a 150 model, if theyn did it would be great for delta and would be a good replacement for most of Southwest's fleet.
No, I don't think so. A 145/150 seat CS300 will only be able to replace the 737-500 and 737-300. Remember, Southwest is currently upsizing by ordering 737-800s, as is most of the industry. Whereas most LCCs would order the 737-700 or A319 in the past, nowadays they find the A320 and 737-800 more profitable. The CS300 is too small to cater for the 180 seat market.
EasyJet decided to order A320s, and hasn't placed any orders for the A319 since.
Frontier decided to replace the A318s with A320s.
LAN decided to replace A318s with A320s.
Airport congestion doesn't help the C-series either.
The market Bombardier should seek for the C is the regional market. Just as the A320/737 operaters, the regional airlines are also upsizing.
Whereas most LCCs would order the 737-700 or A319 in the past, nowadays they find the A320 and 737-800 more profitable.
