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Airline Mogul => Private World Discussion & Invitation => Topic started by: Dobbins on June 08, 2011, 03:02:27 am
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THE FIRST RESET WILL BE PERFORMED ON JUNE 28TH! MAKE SURE YOUR NUMBERS ARE UP. Since one of the rules is that no one will be reset within the first year, so there will be no reset on June 22nd.
I see a potential problem already. Whoever is Brussels Airlines, you need to get some routes going. We can't have someone in this game who just joins and then never does anything. It kind of ruins the point. If on June 28th there is anyone in the game with no PAX being carried, then they will be reset along with the next lowest person.
I have noticed a problem with the elimination system. I stated that no airline would be reset within the first twelve RW days, but airlines are joining late, which means they won't have the full year to grow. Here is the new plan. Any airline which joins will have 10-15 days depending on when they joined before they will be eligible to be reset. If an airline joins within three days of a reset, they will have 15 days (they will be immune from the next two), but if they join four days or more before a reset, they will only have immunity for that reset.
In other words, lets say ABC Air joins on June 29th. Since the next reset is July 2nd, and the one after that is July 8th, they will have immunity from both resets. If they join on June 28th, they will only have immunity for the July second reset.
That sounds confusing, but I am just trying to make it fair. Also, I have moved the first reset back to July 2nd, and all airlines that have already joined and any airlines which join between now and June 23rd will be eligible to be reset. This has been added to the OP.
Que the questions and complaints.
RULES
Here is how this world will work:
THE AIRCRAFT OF CHOICE SO FAR IS THE BOEING 737-200 ADV. HGW. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS AIRCRAFT, PLEASE VOTE IN THE POLL TO CHANGE IT. THE POLL ENDS THURSDAY.
Anyone will be allowed in the world; there will be no password. This will be a full world and it will last 30 years, starting in 1980 and ending in 2010. There will be five starting aircraft (yet to be determined) and three starting gates, and each player will start with $2,500,000 in cash. Nine hubs, two of which can be foreign.
No one will be reset within the first year. This will allow airlines to get established. I will track the day everyone joins and each airline is reset. No one will be reset within one year of joining the game to help them get established. Anyone who is reset will also be allowed one year before being eligible to be reset again, unless their airline achieves a negative value within the first twelve months.
The worst performing airline will be reset every six months. All airline resets will be done using a formula which will divide total value by hub passengers. This will allow smaller airlines to compete, make it more difficult for larger airlines to build up and then do nothing, and allow startup airlines to have a fighting chance. Here are two examples of the formula:
Airline ABC has hubs at Atlanta (46 million), London Heathrow (66 million), and Tokyo Haneda (64 million), or a total of 176 million passengers. Total value of airline ABC is $10,000,000,000. 10 billion divided by 176 million works out to about $56.82 per passenger.
Airline XYZ has one hub at Cape Town (8 million), so 8 million passengers. Airline XYZ has a total value of $500,000,000. 500 million divided by 8 million is about $62.50 per passenger.
Based on these two airlines, airline ABC would actually be eliminated, as they are financially the weaker airline.
All airlines which have a negative value will also be reset.
Please feel free to chime in with suggestions, and please vote on the aircraft in the aircraft poll.
List of Airlines
I will be maintaining the list of players here. I will post when each airlines is created and where they are at, and when each airline is reset.
July 2nd-AsiaAir reset, hubs in Beijing
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That would be very interesting. I'm game.
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Hey, this sounds very interesting!!! I would love it if you did this!
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theOoh! I think I just figured out the tokens dilemma. Rather than bout the user, I'll just rest them. This way it keeps the numbers and the competition up but it won't require constantly spending tokens to rejoin.
This could be big.
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If we get many to join, I'd like to join. I would very much like to replay the old times of crowded worlds!
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i'll join!i hope i dont get owned :(
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Here are my thoughts so far.
A thirty year world will last 360 days in the real world, so a year.
Hubs would be limited to 9 domestic and 2 foreign (This would allow for five domestic and two foreign hubs, which is very similar to United having a base in Tokyo and still have extensive operations throughout Europe with it's codeshare partners, or it would also allow an airline such as Southwest or Ryan Air to dominate one continent).
Every 6 months, I delete the worst performing airline. In order to give start up a chance, no airline will be reset until it is at least 15 months old.
As much as I would like to promise that I could log on at a certain time every six days to reset the losing airline, I can't. I have a job, a social life, etc. Therefore the deletion may be done early in the morning, it may be done late at night. This also adds a touch of realism/keeps you on your toes (I.E. no airline is scheduled to go out of business at 8:00pm on October 2nd in the real world, so why would it happen in the game world).
All resets will be done based solely on airline value, so it won't matter how much cash you have in the bank or how many planes are in your fleet.
Starting year would be 1980, and each player would receive 3 gates, $1,000,000 and 5 planes. Planes would would be something along the lines of an Airbus 319 (Skybus Airlines, which was a startup airline hubbed out of Columbus, Ohio a few years ago, started with a similar number of gates and planes).
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In real life, don't airlines start up with 1 plane?
I think it is a 737-800, but I am not sure :-X
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May I suggest not using a mainstream aircraft as starting aircraft? Because then all airlines will stick with Airbus/Boeing, and not so much diversity will be in the game. I it is in the 80's, can I suggest the Dassault Mercure?
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In real life, don't airlines start up with 1 plane?
Skybus Airlines started with 7 Airbus 319s in 2007. Southwest started with 3 Boeing 737s in 1970. I think anymore Airlines are such a big venture that they have to have several aircraft so that they can quickly get established.
As for the actual starting aircraft, I am open to suggestions.
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Im in too. Is this going to be realistic in terms have multi routes?
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What do you mean by multi routes? do you mean like the realistic scheduling world? If thats what you mean, then no, there will be nothing like that in this world.
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How about, since its 1980, 3 gates and 7 ATR-74s? Otherwise, stick with 5 A319s. with either of thos aircraft and numbers I have mentioned, you will get a lot more people to join! I'm thinking in terms of appeal to other people here
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You can't give more than five starting aircraft when you begin a world, but I would be open to using ATR-74s.
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How about, since its 1980, 3 gates and 7 ATR-74s? Otherwise, stick with 5 A319s. with either of thos aircraft and numbers I have mentioned, you will get a lot more people to join! I'm thinking in terms of appeal to other people here
You can give a max. of 5 aircraft.
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Woah... I think we both posted at the same time :P
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Upon further research, neither the ATR-74 or the Airbus 319 is available in 1980. The Boeing 737 is. I am opened to suggestions for aircraft and a starting date for this world.
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Woah... I think we both posted at the same time :P
Clearly I was first. And don't you forget it.
8) :D
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Woah... I think we both posted at the same time :P
Clearly I was first. And don't you forget it.
8) :D
:lol:
Get back on topic though!
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I would be interested in joining this world.
My suggestion is that we use the Boeing 737 or maby a smaller aircraft if possible.
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Ok I defiantly in if there is no 2x or more routes! Let me know when you get this started up! :)
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The 737-200 Advanced is a great aircraft for the 80's; fast, decent amount of pax, decent turn around times, and the range is surprisingly good. Fuel burn kinda sucks...
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The 737-200 Advanced is a great aircraft for the 80's; fast, decent amount of pax, decent turn around times, and the range is surprisingly good. Fuel burn kinda sucks...
Fuel monsters :roll:
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My suggestion is the Douglas DC-9-50. It has a good capacity and the range is decent but not over 2300nm. The fuel burn is slightly higher than the B732HGW, but the seat count is higher so it's an even trade.
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I'd like to join this one. Very interesting
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My suggestion is the Douglas DC-9-50. It has a good capacity and the range is decent but not over 2300nm. The fuel burn is slightly higher than the B732HGW, but the seat count is higher so it's an even trade.
Hmm. I like it. A very appropriate aircraft for the time.
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Lol sorry for not doing the research on thoughs a/c for you. And not knowing that we can only start with 5. I would still like to join this world. Sounds very interesting!
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I may or may not join, depending on my mood when the world opens :P
But may I suggest a non-mainstream aircraft - such as Dassault Mercure - so everybody doesn't fly around with Boeing, and only Boeing? That would make it a bit more realistic. This would also make the aircraft market a bit more varied. Try reducing the amount of aircraft a bit, so we don't get a running start, make it a bit harder ;)
Dassault Mercure:
Seats 150
Speed 499
Range 1,058
Fuel Usage 836
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Look at the range on the Mercure. We would all have to start in Europe!
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That's the only drawback, but hey, how many airports are in the proximity of Salt Lake City? Or Buenos Aires?
Anyway, you get my point of not wanting a mainstream aircraft, right? :)
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I may or may not join, depending on my mood when the world opens :P
At this point I am planning on having a couple hundred slots and no password, so you can join whenever you want.
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I like the idea very much! I would like to suggest studying the possibility of code share agreement not only alliances. The difference would be that in a code share agreement you will not be able to start routes from other bases but you will benefit in two ways: passengers flying from or to your origin point. For example if carrier A flies from North America to Europe, then carrier B can take those passengers throughout its european/middle east/asian network. The revenues can be shared or there can be a fixed monthly fee.
Also, when joining an alliance, airlines shouldn´t be able to compete on existing routes. The idea is to open up new routes to new destinations.
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That sounds great, but you realize that I am not an Airline Mogul Staff member and can't initiate anything like that?
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That's the only drawback, but hey, how many airports are in the proximity of Salt Lake City? Or Buenos Aires?
Anyway, you get my point of not wanting a mainstream aircraft, right? :)
Yeah, I get it. Just remember China ;)
Why not use Tupolev or some Soviet manufacturer? I thought Boeing and Airbus were the mainstream AC, not MD.
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Something no-one would use normally. Not even Tupolev and Ilyushin (maybe I'm too picky now?). Maybe just start with a few turboprops?
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I will be a caribbean Airline and will be be looking for a major US Airline as a partner.
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I will be a caribbean Airline and will be be looking for a major US Airline as a partner.
AirbusGuy350, do you want to partner with a australian airline?(me!)
I may or may not join, depending on my mood when the world opens :P
But may I suggest a non-mainstream aircraft - such as Dassault Mercure - so everybody doesn't fly around with Boeing, and only Boeing? That would make it a bit more realistic. This would also make the aircraft market a bit more varied. Try reducing the amount of aircraft a bit, so we don't get a running start, make it a bit harder ;)
Dassault Mercure:
Seats 150
Speed 499
Range 1,058
Fuel Usage 836
OMG the bristol PULLMAN has more range then that thing!
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It can work we can have an Alliance so now we need a North American airline an Asian airline, South American, African, and European.
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I got North America if you wouldn't mind :)
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Damm... Looks like someone beat me to it haha but Airbusguy350 I guess its up to you on which one of us who want it actually take North America. Otherwise I will go off and do my own thing in this world... Still in North America tho
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Trollways FTW! I look forward to friendly competing with you sir :)
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Yes, I love good competition in worlds like this! Looking Forward to it! :)
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I will be based out of Europe for this one. I'm not sure which airport yet, but it will either be London, Paris, or Amsterdam. I'll be going for a legacy carrier, but I would totally be up for an alliance.
Also, with so much discussion for planes, I have come to a conclusion. I am going to create a poll. I will list plane listed so far, as well as any others which are nominated. We can all vote on with which plane we will start.
I do have to ask why so many peoplee want to start this world with small or obscure planes. First off, not many airlines start with a DHC-200 and grow from there in the real world, and second, starting with smaller planes will really discourage anyone who starts late or gets reset from playing. This is why I really like the Boeing 737s or Douglas DC-9s. Like I said though, make suggestions and I'll create a poll this weekend.
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Since I will not be a part of Airbusguys alliance, I have actually founded one in another world called SkyConnect while ago and if anyone is interested, I will happily start it up again in this world. :) You're thoughts, anyone who would like to join? We'll talk strategy once we know where everyone plans on basing
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I'd like a spot in that alliance, if you don't mind.
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I'll be in Airbus's alliance.
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Ok so so far, Dobbins wants in... if we could get 3 or 4 more people... that would be nice... :)
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Hmm. I see one sort of problem with this; it penalizes carriers with small home bases. For example, Ethiopian airlines is more likely to stay in business right now than Frontier, but in AM Frontier would have the larger value. Therefore I think that there should be some sort of better way of doing this. I'm thinking that maybe we could exclude Africa from this valuation limitation. Or, do a sort of value in relation to the combined size of the bases (ie if a carrier has bases in Atlanta and Tulsa, their airline would have 89+3=92 million combined size of base)
Then divide their value by the pax size of bases to determine a score. The airlines with the lowest scores would then be deleted.
Anyhow, I'd like to join as a US based carrier as well.
Plan to simulate United Airlines with the following hubs
ORD (base)
LAX
DEN
SFO
IAH
EWR
IAD
CLE
SEA
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Bindu, Would you like to be part of the alliance that I am currently forming. lol
I plan to use the following bases (edited to work around yours)
ATL (base)
BOS
DFW
MSP
PDX
PHX
LAX
MCO
and just because I know no one hubs here usually, LAS
And then all we would need is a European airline and an Asian airline (Preferably two)
Also on the list as usefull but not necessary, a South American airline
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Do you want to share LAX with me. We both can operate there, but if you really want it for yourself, I'll switch off LAX and SEA, and open a GUM hub for myself.
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Oh East West, have you abandoned Realistic World 2.0?
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Not Exactly, Im just done expanding I guess... Never wanted to go legacy in that world
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I think we can share LAX, it would be the one place where both airlines kinda set up shop and dominate ya know?
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Hmmm, it looks like I would like to be a South American this time. No objections? Okay, I'm going to be out of Sao Paulo :)
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I have decided to Hub out of London Heathrow, and my airline will probably be Royal Atlantic.
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1933matias Would you care to join our alliance? :P
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Hehe, yes, why not?
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Bindu, that is a big problem. I definitely think that that formula (value divided by real world hub pax) is the best way to score each airline. I'll even do the math for it :P
I've changed my mind. I'll join EastWest's alliance. It just seems like it would be better for me at this point. I've also come up with a new hub arrangement:
PEK
HND
HKG
SIN
BOM
DUB
SYD
I'm starting to like these cities that are their own country ;)
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I got some results for the formula. The test subjects are AsiaAir, Central American Airways, and Delte Airlines from Realistic 2.0.
AsiaAir
-Bases: PEK, HND, BKK
-Total real world base pax: 169,161,885
-Total value:4,225,925,456
-Total score: about 25
Central American Airways
-Bases: MEX, CUN
-Total real world base pax: 38,856,668
-Total value: 1,902,190,621
-Total score: about 49
Delte Airlines
-Bases: ATL, DFW, DTW, MSP, JFK, SLC
-Total real world base pax: 264,643,106
-Total value: 58,505,982,030
-Total score: about 221
Based on these tests, AsiaAir would be knocked out. Keep in mind that I didn't use the smallest airlines in the world but a wide diversity: a large Asian carrier, a smaller Central American carrier, and the supergiant. I think the formula needs to change or we just select the lowest airlines. It's a good solution to use the formula, but it has some really huge problems. Does anyone disagree? Bindu and 1993matias, I hope you don't mind me using your airlines to test this.
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So who all is in the Alliance so far and where are they flying?
Eastwest-Europe
Mathias-South America
EastWest-North America
GoPats-Asia/Australia
Does anyone dare try Africa in this world?
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I like that formula. Let me think about it and I'll repost later today. I am going to try and the final rules set for this world this afternoon and I'll post them, along with the poll for the aircraft.
When can everyone join? I'll need to purchase some tokens to create this world, so I am no in a huge rush to do it, but I would like to get started sooner than later.
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i can join asap
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I am able to start when Realistic World v2 comes to an end. There's 2y 11 months left. In 1½ year (18 rl days)?
If I hadn't played an African airline a short while ago, I would have given it a shot :) But else I'm thinking Iceland - but I'm going to stick with SA.
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No, No, I like having someone from South America in the Alliance. Really I think South America as a whole may be the most underrated continent in the game, perhaps Asia as well.
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So who all is in the Alliance so far and where are they flying?
Eastwest-Europe
Mathias-South America
EastWest-North America
GoPats-Asia/Australia
Does anyone dare try Africa in this world?
You put me on there twice? :P :P I thought you were going to be providing the Europe aspect of this alliance...
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I was and I am. That was supposed to be my own name for Europe. Leave it to me to mess up my own name. Let me try that again.
Dobbins: Europe
Bindu: North America
EastWest: North America
Mathias: South America
GoPats: Asia/Australia
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what about me?
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Bindu, you have been added. One of these days I'll actually get it right.
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The poll for the aircraft has been started and the rules for the world have been posted on the OP. Please vote. We will start the world on June 19th, just because that is my birthday, and the first reset will take place on July 2nd or 3rd.
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Dobbins: Europe
Bindu: North America
EastWest: North America
Mathias: South America
GoPats: Asia/Australia
Alright so seeing as I am the founder of this alliance, I am going to go ahead and put the idea out there that we will no longer be accepting any more North American carriers because with the combine bases of Bindu and I, we will pretty much have the area covered. The only exception to this would be if someone wanted to operate all Canadian hubs and use their 2 International hubs in mexico...
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I can join whenever. I almost have enough tokens to join two worlds.
And Dobbins, I totally agree with Asia being underrated. In the worlds that I've been in, most people will make a huge airline in Europe or NA and have one foreign base in Asia. It's really quite sad :(
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Dobbins: Europe
Bindu: North America
EastWest: North America
Mathias: South America
GoPats: Asia/Australia
Alright so seeing as I am the founder of this alliance, I am going to go ahead and put the idea out there that we will no longer be accepting any more North American carriers because with the combine bases of Bindu and I, we will pretty much have the area covered. The only exception to this would be if someone wanted to operate all Canadian hubs and use their 2 International hubs in mexico...
I would be interested in joining to be an airline in Canada. But would like to have those 2 international hubs somewhere else.(Not U.S.)
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Dobbins: Europe
Bindu: North America
EastWest: North America
Mathias: South America
GoPats: Asia/Australia
Alright so seeing as I am the founder of this alliance, I am going to go ahead and put the idea out there that we will no longer be accepting any more North American carriers because with the combine bases of Bindu and I, we will pretty much have the area covered. The only exception to this would be if someone wanted to operate all Canadian hubs and use their 2 International hubs in mexico...
I would be interested in joining to be an airline in Canada. But would like to have those 2 international hubs somewhere else.(Not U.S.)
I would completely agree with shutting that Alliance down to any more North American members once GPWestJet joins.
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At this point I am going to be using the following airports for hubs:
London Heathrow (LHR)
Paris Charles De Gaulle (CDG)
Frankfurt (FRA)
Amsterdam Shipol (AMS)
Madrid (MAD)
I was planning on using one of my international hubs in Asia and one in North America, but given how thoroughly North America seems to be covered in the Alliance, I may open two more domestic hubs or have a second international hub in Asia or the Middle East.
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Sounds like an awesome world...but I think I may end up passing. Got quite a bit to do in July in preparation for getting married in August.
Besides, gopats wouldn't want to share HND with me again. ;) I think he didn't appreciate the de-icing glycol hand soap prank we pulled in his concourse.
All joking aside, I'll be keeping an eye on the world. If possible, I may join up after mid-August finally rolls around...if the wife lets me. :(
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It will be an open world with plenty of slots. People joining lase help to fulfill that realistic operations portion of the world, anyway.
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Right so, GPWestjet has the canadian slot on lock. Also, Dobbins how many hubs can we have? you said 9 right?
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I won't join until July, but I'm still in!
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I was planning on using one of my international hubs in Asia and one in North America, but given how thoroughly North America seems to be covered in the Alliance, I may open two more domestic hubs or have a second international hub in Asia or the Middle East.
Just please don't hub in one of my airports. That basically excludes anything large except Shanghai and Narita.
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phew, AU is all for me! :D
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Sounds like an awesome world...but I think I may end up passing. Got quite a bit to do in July in preparation for getting married in August.
Besides, gopats wouldn't want to share HND with me again. ;) I think he didn't appreciate the de-icing glycol hand soap prank we pulled in his concourse.
All joking aside, I'll be keeping an eye on the world. If possible, I may join up after mid-August finally rolls around...if the wife lets me. :(
Congratulations!!
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Right so, GPWestjet has the canadian slot on lock. Also, Dobbins how many hubs can we have? you said 9 right?
Yes, nine, and I've update the OP to reflect this. This allows for a truly dominated domestic or regional carrier to do quite well, yet also allows for a legacy to be quite established as well (5 domestic hubs, two foreign, or 7 and 1).
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I can join ASAP also
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i'll join first chance i get :D
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I'd like to join this. Sounds pretty good to me. Is it started yet? If so, what's its number :)
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It has not started, it will start later this week. I'll update the thread title once it begins.
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I was planning on using one of my international hubs in Asia and one in North America, but given how thoroughly North America seems to be covered in the Alliance, I may open two more domestic hubs or have a second international hub in Asia or the Middle East.
Just please don't hub in one of my airports. That basically excludes anything large except Shanghai and Narita.
I would be very happy with Shanghai, and my other hub will probably be Dubai. It'll be a while before I expand, though, since the formula for elimination actually prevents quick expansion, or at least makes it very tough to do.
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I have been thinking, as I mentioned above, that whoever opens hubs the fastest will probably be at the biggest disadvantage, so I am going to start discussing strategy just for fun.
My first hub will be at London Heathrow, and I am going to start shorter service at first to only the Largest European Airports. As those routes receive competition, I'll start flying to the US and Asia once I have some more aircraft, and then slowly open hubs. Better off doing a ton of routes from one hub than a few routes from several hubs.
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I have been thinking, as I mentioned above, that whoever opens hubs the fastest will probably be at the biggest disadvantage, so I am going to start discussing strategy just for fun.
My first hub will be at London Heathrow, and I am going to start shorter service at first to only the Largest European Airports. As those routes receive competition, I'll start flying to the US and Asia once I have some more aircraft, and then slowly open hubs. Better off doing a ton of routes from one hub than a few routes from several hubs.
I agree 100%... I like to really milk one hub for all its got before moving on. I rent a ton of gates, then I build up a fleet of 50 unused aircraft and open up another hub and fly to all the destinations of the first hub plus more. I repeat this process several times and then start doing long haul. This usually takes quite a bit of game years but with a 30 year world like this, it seems like the best strategy
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Gonna hub in GUM instead of CLE+SEA
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WHO IS DELTA AIRLINES AND WHY ARE THEY IN MY HUB!? DO THEY REALIZE NOT ONLY IS IT ILLEGAL TO HAVE DELA AIRLINES AS A NAME BUT ALSO THAT THEY ARE IN MY HUB. Dobbins please, this is a pretty good reason to get them out of here. Not that I care about the whole hub thing because I could switch it up and go LAX but having the name Delta is illegal.
Thank you
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Wooooowww... Ok seriously, If I'd known there were gonna be 3 airlines based in Atlanta before this world even started, I would have based somewhere else... do what you want, I'm about to own you all! Let the competition begin! Safe flying!
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Now that we have started I did the math to see what the scores would be like and I actually like the scoring system a lot (not just because I am in first :P) It really makes being at a large airport not an automatic win which is nice for a change.
CaribbeanBlue 34.44
Brussels Airlines 15.25
British European Airlines 15.07
Australia Blue 11.79
Anandha Airlines 8.98
Locust Air 5.29
Jetway International 4.89
UniteContinental 4.55
Royal Atlantic Airways 4.28
LinkAir 3.35
Western Connection 3.34
Delta Airline 3.32
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If you are that upset, send your concern to stephenm, and if I hear from him, I'll bounce them.
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I'm going to join this world and will start off based at SEZ.
Planning on having hubs at:
SEZ
JNB
SSH
MRU (May change to CPT or DUR)
CMN
CMB
PER
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If you are that upset, send your concern to stephenm, and if I hear from him, I'll bounce them.
Nah im not that upset haha... I am gonna try and get my numbers up though lol
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WHO IS DELTA AIRLINES AND WHY ARE THEY IN MY HUB!? DO THEY REALIZE NOT ONLY IS IT ILLEGAL TO HAVE DELA AIRLINES AS A NAME BUT ALSO THAT THEY ARE IN MY HUB. Dobbins please, this is a pretty good reason to get them out of here. Not that I care about the whole hub thing because I could switch it up and go LAX but having the name Delta is illegal.
Thank you
delta's gonna be booted anyway!Now that we have started I did the math to see what the scores would be like and I actually like the scoring system a lot (not just because I am in first :P) It really makes being at a large airport not an automatic win which is nice for a change.
CaribbeanBlue 34.44
Brussels Airlines 15.25
British European Airlines 15.07
Australia Blue 11.79
Anandha Airlines 8.98
Locust Air 5.29
Jetway International 4.89
UniteContinental 4.55
Royal Atlantic Airways 4.28
LinkAir 3.35
Western Connection 3.34
Delta Airline 3.32
and im near the TOP!!!! HOORAY!!!
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Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik Avialinii coming through :lol:
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THE FIRST RESET WILL BE PERFORMED ON JUNE 28TH! MAKE SURE YOUR NUMBERS ARE UP. Since one of the rules is that no one will be reset within the first year, so there will be no reset on June 22nd.
I see a potential problem already. Whoever is Brussels Airlines, you need to get some routes going. We can't have someone in this game who just joins and then never does anything. It kind of ruins the point. If on June 28th there is anyone in the game with no PAX being carried, then they will be reset along with the next lowest person.
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I hae just created the SkyConnect alliance as I said I was going to, If you previously showed interest in joining (Dobbins, Bindu, GPwestjet, and matias I think were the ones) feel free to join at any time.
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Eastwest, I have applied, please vote on my application. Thanks!
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Thank you!
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Updated standings just for fun:
Indian Ocean Seychelles 787.182
CaribbeanBlue San Juan 36.424
British European Manchester 17.132
Brussels (No Flights) Brussels 14.937
Sotsialist#$%#$@%& Moscow Domodedovo 14.258
Australia Blue Melbourne 12.061
Anandha Jakarta 7.723
Locust Dallas Fort Worth 6.211
UniteContinental Chicago O'hare 5.831
Jetaway International Paris Charles De Gaulle 5.735
Royal Atlantic London Heathrow 5.201
Western Connection Atlanta 4.222
Delta Atlanta 4.086
LinkAir Atlanta 3.659
I was wondering if anyone was going to try and hub at a po-dunk little airport like Minot. Looks like Seychelles won out. Not a bad stradegy at first, but it definitely limits airline value growth. The playing field should level for the bigger guys, given time.
Good luck to the three of you in Atlanta, your going to need it.
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Good luck to the three of you in Atlanta, your going to need it.
This is so ridiculous... If I'd known 3 people were going to hub in Atlanta right off the bat I would have switched it up and hubbed in Orlando, or Minneapolis... in this scenario I think it will be wise to fly to a lot of those smaller airports... Best of luck to everyone!
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I can reset you now if you would like to change hubs. The world is only a couple of days in. Also, should you lose a round and be reset, send me a message if you want to change hubs. In all seriousness, though, it looks like you are doing just fine. You're the top airline in Atlanta and it really doesn't look like you are at any risk of losing anytime soon.
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Yeah, I think it's going to be fine, and Competition makes this game more interesting than it already is.
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Updated standings just for fun:
Indian Ocean Seychelles 787.182
CaribbeanBlue San Juan 36.424
British European Manchester 17.132
Brussels (No Flights) Brussels 14.937
Sotsialist#$%#$@%& Moscow Domodedovo 14.258
Australia Blue Melbourne 12.061
Anandha Jakarta 7.723
Locust Dallas Fort Worth 6.211
UniteContinental Chicago O'hare 5.831
Jetaway International Paris Charles De Gaulle 5.735
Royal Atlantic London Heathrow 5.201
Western Connection Atlanta 4.222
Delta Atlanta 4.086
LinkAir Atlanta 3.659
I was wondering if anyone was going to try and hub at a po-dunk little airport like Minot. Looks like Seychelles won out. Not a bad stradegy at first, but it definitely limits airline value growth. The playing field should level for the bigger guys, given time.
Good luck to the three of you in Atlanta, your going to need it.
ooh- the three airlines in atlanta are at the bottom end of the scale!
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Good luck to the three of you in Atlanta, your going to need it.
This is so ridiculous... If I'd known 3 people were going to hub in Atlanta right off the bat I would have switched it up and hubbed in Orlando, or Minneapolis... in this scenario I think it will be wise to fly to a lot of those smaller airports... Best of luck to everyone!
Shocker. Atlanta has always been the most popular airport because its size. Normally it's not much of a challenge to start there, but with the rules in this world, it's a lot harder. Same thing at O'Hare, Beijing, Heathrow and basically every other 50mln+ airport.
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Good luck to the three of you in Atlanta, your going to need it.
This is so ridiculous... If I'd known 3 people were going to hub in Atlanta right off the bat I would have switched it up and hubbed in Orlando, or Minneapolis... in this scenario I think it will be wise to fly to a lot of those smaller airports... Best of luck to everyone!
Shocker. Atlanta has always been the most popular airport because its size. Normally it's not much of a challenge to start there, but with the rules in this world, it's a lot harder. Same thing at O'Hare, Beijing, Heathrow and basically every other 50mln+ airport.
Exactly. Until Airline Value goes up, the people at the biggest disadvantage are those that hubbed at Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, London (myself), Paris, and Beijing. It seems smart to start at Seychelles, and maybe it is, but it will be interesting to see how fast everyone catches up once our DOCs go through the roof.
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Dobbins; I'm UniteContinental in the world, and I was wondering. I am going to be travelling from the middle of next week through July 1st. So from the day I leave till the day I get back; could I get a holiday from the reset?
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Sure, but I think you'll be fine. Someone at Atlanta is going down. I am also going to be traveling on the 26th-28th, but I think we'll both be fine.
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Someone at Atlanta *shudders :P
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Exactly. Until Airline Value goes up, the people at the biggest disadvantage are those that hubbed at Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, London (myself), Paris, and Beijing. It seems smart to start at Seychelles, and maybe it is, but it will be interesting to see how fast everyone catches up once our DOCs go through the roof.
Yes, but if I compare my airline to yours; if you have a DOC of 150mln, all I need is 50mln to keep up with you. Thing is that Moscow isn't, geographical speaking, the best place to be. But airlines based somewhere in the middle of Europe, say Zürich, have a great advantage. Still, I'm up for this challenge :) I really like the idea of this world and time will tell who got the best strategy :D
Btw, quick question, if one gets a reset, is it possible for that person to restart? Or do you ban them.
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No one will be banned. I rather hope that anyone who is reset will keep playing.
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so, in theory, a middle-sized airport such as melbourne tullamarine (23,943,342 pax) is one of the best, because small size dosn't limit growth, and a large airport means that you get a lower score?
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Ok so now there's two deltas... both based out of Atlanta......... grrr :lol:
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So let me get this straight. There are now four airlines out of Atlanta, which is a quarter of the players in the game, and two of them are named delta, which lacks all imagination, and the first elimination is in 10 days.
If you get eliminated and would like to change hubs, please be sure to PM me.
And yes, those mid sized airports such as Moscow, Melbourne, and Memphis may indeed be the best.
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If my calculations are correct these are the current scores.
CaribbeanBlue SJU 38.25
IndeanOcean Air SEZ, SSH 37.00
British European Airlines MAN 18.89
Sotsialisticheskikj Respublic Avialinii DME 15.60
Australia Blue MEL 12.39
Anandha Airlines CGK 8.20
Jetaway International Airlines CDG 7.12
Locust Air DFW 7.01
UniteContinental ORD 7.00
Royal Atlantic Airways LHR 6.07
Western Connection ATL 5.17
Delta Airline ATL 4.75
AsiaAir PEK 4.30
LinkAir ATL 4.13
Delta Airlines ATL 3.37
Brussels Airlines ??? ????
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Thing is that Moscow isn't, geographical speaking, the best place to be. But airlines based somewhere in the middle of Europe, say Zürich, have a great advantage.
That is the big reason I think Indian Ocean Air out of Seychelles could be in trouble in a bit, unless they open up another hub on the mainland.
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Ah, and I see that they have. Well this should make it a little more interesting.
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who's brussels airlines?? ?? they dont have any routes!
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Yes, it's a shame Brussels Airlines isn't doing a thing. He got a great hub there! Very much in the center of Europe with 18.5mln pax.
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I have noticed a problem with the elimination system. I stated that no airline would be reset within the first twelve RW days, but airlines are joining late, which means they won't have the full year to grow. Here is the new plan. Any airline which joins will have 10-15 days depending on when they joined before they will be eligible to be reset. If an airline joins within three days of a reset, they will have 15 days (they will be immune from the next two), but if they join four days or more before a reset, they will only have immunity for that reset.
In other words, lets say ABC Air joins on June 29th. Since the next reset is July 2nd, and the one after that is July 8th, they will have immunity from both resets. If they join on June 28th, they will only have immunity for the July second reset.
That sounds confusing, but I am just trying to make it fair. Also, I have moved the first reset back to July 2nd, and all airlines that have already joined and any airlines which join between now and June 23rd will be eligible to be reset. This has been added to the OP.
Que the questions and complaints.
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then i can only say that its going to be one helluva ride managing this world.
TransSky alliance has been opened-i have recieved permission from AirbusGuy350 to create it. the people who wished to join (AirbusGuy350, secretformula and myself) can now join, and any others can if they want.
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Seems like a really interesting world. I think I'll begin my return to AM here. I might join today or tomorrow if I have the time and will probably base in Europe. (maybe Rome FCO, Zurich, CPH or Munich, I'll see) :D
So If I join tomorrow, I'll be immune to any resets within my first year of operations?
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There is no reset for the rest of this month, that way all of us can get established. So no, you will not receive immunity if you join before June 23rd, and if you join after June 23rd, you will be immune for the first reset, but we will all have a one week jump on you anyway.
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OK. I'll try to join ASAP then. Thanks!
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HAH! one of the delta airlines changed their name to American... still unbelievably uncreative... and still killing me, every time i log in I have to lower my prices a bit...
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Updated standings, just for fun.
Vuvuzeland 86.58
CaribbeanBlue 40.43
Indian Ocean 38.81
British European 21.66
Sotsialist#$%#$@%& 17.21
Indigoair 13.06
Australia Blue 12.38
Jetaway International 9.39
Northwest 9.13
UniteContinental 9.02
Anandha 8.87
Locust 7.85
Republic West 7.81
Elisa 7.68
Royal Atlantic 7.05
Western Connection 6.52
Darkroyal 6.23
American 5.62
LinkAir 4.60
AsiaAir 4.53
Delta Airlines 3.86
Brussels (No Flights) 0
Reyes (No Flights) 0
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We are up to 25 airlines now, with the latest two being out of Las Vegas, and a second airline out of London Heathrow (I am the first 8))
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Just a suggestion, but maybe we could move the standings to the message board in-game, so that any players not on the forum will be able to post comments.
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Just a suggestion, but maybe we could move the standings to the message board in-game, so that any players not on the forum will be able to post comments.
Good idea. Also post the rules there so people are familiar with the them. It wouldn't be much of a surprise either once they get reset if their performance keeps behind.
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Ah hell...I'll join up tomorrow. Y'all need a little Fluff in your life. ^-^
I'm not sure yet where I'll be going; I don't even know where I've been. As I said in another thread...I'm not even sure of the rules of the game. I'm just thinking of staying with aircraft below 100 passengers. Just for fun. Just to see if I can do it. And if I get reset due to...'real life', then so be it.
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I'm going to be away from 2nd july to the 13th, so can you please reveal the standings so that i can improve my airline if needed-?
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Since there are now 47 players and many of them have multiple hubs, it takes me a long time to update standing-like an hour or more, so sorry, if you want to find out exactly where you stand, you'll have to do it yourself. My advice is look at the formula in the original post, figure out where your airline is at, and find a couple of weaker airlines, run their numbers, and make sure your airline is okay.
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Thx, we wont be pestering you again for standings-i think!
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Immunity AAA Airline Date Joined 1st Hub PAX 2nd Hub PAX 3rd Hub PAX Total Hub Pax Airline Value Score
Taxi Aereo Marilia 22-Jun Belo Horizonte Carlos Prates 13172 13172 $224,821,630 17068.147
Vuvuzeland 20-Jun Cork 3250000 3250000 $434,366,098 133.651
* Pacific Air Taxi 25-Jun Tahiti Faa'a 1232733 Nadi (Fiji) 1300000 2532733 $210,295,203 83.031
CaribbeanBlue 17-Jun San Juan 8189324 8189324 $672,283,048 82.093
Indigoair 21-Jun Zurich 21926872 21926872 $1,522,968,067 69.457
Sotsialist#$%#$@%& 18-Jun Moscow Domodedovo 20437516 20437516 $1,397,382,307 68.373
Indian Ocean 18-Jun Seychelles 354000 Sharm El Sheikh 7430940 7784940 $528,562,079 67.895
* Air Polska Express 27-Jun Warsaw 8282035 8282035 $455,018,553 54.94
Medan 21-Jun Polonia 4648136 4648136 $243,096,926 52.3
UniteContinental 17-Jun Chicago O'hare 62271464 62271464 $2,837,605,589 45.568
Western Connection 17-Jun Atlanta 84561736 84561736 $3,588,987,532 42.442
Jetaway International 17-Jun Paris Charles De Gaulle 57906866 Frankfurt 50932840 108839706 $4,322,928,399 39.718
Aero Rossiya 22-Jun Moscow Domodedovo 20437516 20437516 $721,439,936 35.23
Republic West 21-Jun Phoenix 37119294 37119294 $1,195,390,855 32.204
Desert Express 21-Jun Las Vegas 38719786 38719786 $1,186,070,317 30.632
Aegean 21-Jun Istanbul Ataturk 29757384 29757384 $811,879,953 27.783
* Mid Continent 23-Jun Chicago O'hare 62271464 62271464 $1,621,901,741 26.046
Der Frankfurter 21-Jun Frankfurt 50932840 Amsterdam 47429741 98362581 $2,379,248,484 24.189
# Americaflight 1-Jul Saint Louis 12168140 12168140 $286,070,321 23.51
* Germania 23-Jun Frankfurt 50932840 50932840 $1,106,463,369 21.724
* Sunset 23-Jun Miami 32375536 32375536 $684,457,762 21.141
British European 17-Jun Manchester 18724889 London Heathrow 66036957 84761846 $1,755,185,947 20.707
Philippine 22-Jun Manila Ninoy Aquino 24108554 24108554 $492,754,965 20.439
* International Europe 24-Jun Paris Orly 25107693 25107693 $490,019,587 19.517
Euroliner 21-Jun London Heathrow 66036957 Paris Charles De Gaulle 57906866 123943823 $2,069,249,676 16.695
American 17-Jun Atlanta 84561736 84561736 $1,274,439,508 15.071
Royal Atlantic 16-Jun London Heathrow 66036957 Los Angeles 54879794 120916751 $1,803,406,019 14.914
Iberia 22-Jun Madrid 48270581 48270581 $717,445,759 14.863
Emirates 21-Jun Dubai 40901752 40901752 $605,949,631 14.815
Locust 17-Jun Dallas Fort Worth 53327968 Denver 48011984 101339952 $1,307,462,915 12.902
Anandha 17-Jun Jakarta 31532094 Polonia 4648136 36180230 $428,905,611 11.855
Bombay International 21-Jun Mumbai Chhatrapati 23435723 Delhi Indira Gandhi 22843415 46279138 $546,808,031 11.815
Elisa 21-Jun Singapore 37203978 37203978 $432,916,251 11.636
* Wings Worldwide 23-Jun New York JFK 45420544 45420544 $519,193,014 11.431
* Singapore Horizone 23-Jun Singapore 37203978 37203978 $423,421,338 11.381
Australia Blue 17-Jun Melbourne 23943342 Sydney 32700964 56644306 $554,873,416 9.796
LinkAir 17-Jun Atlanta 84561736 84561736 $793,336,762 9.382
# Fluffy Flyways 29-Jun Toronto 32334831 32334831 $296,647,130 9.174
* BiGHO 27-Jun Hong Kong 46133000 46133000 $395,912,696 8.582
Delta 20-Jun Atlanta 84561736 New York JFK 45420544 129982280 $1,092,551,852 8.405
Northwest 21-Jun Minneapolis 31102412 Charlotte 34330752 Denver 48011984 113445148 $909,311,749 8.015
Air China 21-Jun Beijing 65375095 Guangzhou 37048712 102423807 $798,284,247 7.794
Darkroyal 20-Jun Hong Kong 46133000 Tokyo Haneda 66735587 112868587 $865,749,158 7.67
AsiaAir 19-Jun Beijing 65375095 65375095 $478,790,979 7.324
* Pan American 26-Jun Miami 32375536 New York JFK 45420544 77796080 $523,194,596 6.725
# Flex 2-Jul Dubai 40901752 40901752 $243,753,589 5.959
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ASIA AIR GO OUT OF BUSINESS DUE TO LACK OF GROWTH.
AsiaAir, hubbed in Beijing, was reset today. With only 11 routes from their only hub, a lack of growth saw AsiaAir get choked out of their only hub by larger competitors. Best of luck to them in their future airline endeavors!
Next reset will occur on July 8th.
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HERE ARE THE RESULTS OF THE JULY 8TH RESET. NEXT RESET IS JULY 14TH!
Immunity AAA Airline Date Joined 1st Hub PAX 2nd Hub PAX 3rd Hub PAX Total Hub Pax Value Score
Taxi Aereo Marilia 22-Jun Belo Horizonte Carlos Prates 13172 13172 182070319 13822.526
Vuvuzeland 20-Jun Cork 3250000 3250000 486740759 149.766
Indigoair 21-Jun Zurich 21926872 21926872 2865732660 130.695
CaribbeanBlue 17-Jun San Juan 8189324 8189324 956857291 116.842
Sotsialist#$%#$@%& 18-Jun Moscow Domodedovo 20437516 20437516 2002550988 97.984
Indian Ocean 18-Jun Seychelles 354000 Sharm El Sheikh 7430940 7784940 713783104 91.688
Pacific Air Taxi 25-Jun Tahiti Faa'a 1232733 Nadi (Fiji) 1300000 2532733 228388179 90.175
Western Connection 17-Jun Atlanta 84561736 84561736 5342387356 63.177
UniteContinental 17-Jun Chicago O'hare 62271464 62271464 3851948290 61.857
Jetaway International 17-Jun Paris Charles De Gaulle 57906866 Frankfurt 50932840 Rome 33808456 142648162 8240534294 57.768
Aero Rossiya 22-Jun Moscow Domodedovo 20437516 20437516 1148155131 56.179
Desert Express 21-Jun Las Vegas 38719786 38719786 1869552640 48.284
Aegean 21-Jun Istanbul Ataturk 29757384 29757384 1224638923 41.154
Royal Atlantic 16-Jun London Heathrow 66036957 66036957 2675575972 40.516
Der Frankfurter 21-Jun Frankfurt 50932840 Amsterdam 47429741 Paris Charles De Gaulle 57906866 156269447 6193625156 39.634
International Europe 24-Jun Paris Orly 25107693 25107693 958139745 38.161
Mid Continent 23-Jun Chicago O'hare 62271464 Dallas/Fort Worth 53327968 115599432 4002701193 34.626
British European 17-Jun Manchester 18724889 London Heathrow 66036957 Edinburgh 9049355 93811201 3126518658 33.328
Sunset 23-Jun Miami 32375536 32375536 1021875291 31.563
Germania 23-Jun Frankfurt 50932840 Munich 32681067 83613907 2620348411 31.339
* Fluffy Flyways 29-Jun Toronto 32334831 32334831 994602035 30.759
* AirSouth 4-Jul Palm Beach 5887723 Raleigh Durham 8871248 14758971 443142331 30.025
Philippine 22-Jun Manila Ninoy Aquino 24108554 24108554 621233303 25.768
* Americaflight 1-Jul Saint Louis 12168140 12168140 312404428 25.673
Euroliner 21-Jun London Heathrow 66036957 Paris Charles De Gaulle 57906866 Frankfurt 50932840 174876663 4383048898 25.064
Emirates 21-Jun Dubai 40901752 40901752 870945436 21.294
Air Polska Express 27-Jun Warsaw 8282035 Rome 33808456 42090491 891646987 21.184
Republic West 21-Jun Phoenix 37119294 Los Angeles 54879794 San Francisco 36915352 128914440 2655903361 20.602
Iberia 22-Jun Madrid 48270581 48270581 982577133 20.356
* AirAfrica July 2 Reset Johannesburg 17845859 17845859 336969153 18.882
Locust 17-Jun Dallas Fort Worth 53327968 Denver 48011984 Houston 38580478 139920430 2330998434 16.659
Bombay International 21-Jun Mumbai Chhatrapati 23435723 Delhi Indira Gandhi 22843415 46279138 770012198 16.638
Northwest 21-Jun Minneapolis 31102412 Charlotte 34330752 Denver 48011984 113445148 1859028735 16.387
Wings Worldwide 23-Jun New York JFK 45420544 45420544 674533452 14.851
Anandha 17-Jun Jakarta 31532094 Polonia 4648136 36180230 525942706 14.537
# Downer 5-Jul Dublin 23500000 23500000 339956923 14.466
Australia Blue 17-Jun Melbourne 23943342 Sydney 32700964 56644306 717323599 12.664
Darkroyal 20-Jun Hong Kong 46133000 Tokyo Haneda 66735587 112868587 1292259646 11.449
BiGHO 27-Jun Hong Kong 46133000 46133000 512860620 11.117
LinkAir 17-Jun Atlanta 84561736 84561736 932371442 11.026
Delta 20-Jun Atlanta 84561736 New York JFK 45420544 Los Angeles 54879794 184862074 1948456267 10.54
Air China 21-Jun Beijing 65375095 Guangzhou 37048712 102423807 1078090172 10.526
Pan American 26-Jun Miami 32375536 New York JFK 45420544 San Francisco 36915352 114711432 1178033453 10.27
# Fly Euro 7-Jul London Gatwick 32392520 32392520 313546715 9.68
Singapore Horizone 23-Jun Singapore 37203978 Jakarta 31532094 68736072 555096056 8.076
* Flex 2-Jul Dubai 40901752 Abu Dhabi 9020000 49921752 342166451 6.854
# Rename this airline or I will delete it. 8-Jul New York JFK 45420544 45420544 289263036 6.369
* Cathay Pacific Delta 3-Jul Hong Kong 46133000 Frankfurt 50932840 London Heathrow 66036957 163102797 280779371 1.721
# FinnAir 6-Jul NO ROUTES 270905686