Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => Game Strategy => Topic started by: gisa on February 28, 2009, 04:46:17 am
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Hi All,
Last new post for today: I promise. :D
I wonder...when do you guys decide to create another base? At first, I thought I would just fill up everything I could at my homebase, but I see some other players who have expanded, who have hardly filled their bases and yet are doing quite well.
Thoughts?
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Mr. Gisa ^^
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I expand as soon as I get a decent profit out of a base because doing multiple bases dramatically increases your profit due to gate usage among other things...
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Cool. Maybe with a DOC of 1 000 000? I'm at about 3 000 000 now...
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DOC of 1 000 000 is not really good, but maybe 5 000 000 is good enough. For my last few airlines, i create a base when i have around 25 000 000 or 30 000 000 profit first or 30 gates used.
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Yeah that would make sense. Makes buying the better planes a lot easier with that kind of cash coming in. I'm at just under 3.5 mil now and ordered my first boeing. :D
I think that 4-5 mil per month would be a great target. Maybe even at 8 per month would be ideal as I'm loving the fokkers and those cost just under 8 mil a piece...
Thanks for the input!
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Gisa ^^
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I've been playing for 4 years in game... that's... 4x12=48 days. And my DOP is around 70,000,000. The time when I create another base is when I have got saturated profit, from a place.
Giving an example. Shanghai Pudong, I have routes to Japan major cities, China major cities, South Korea, Taiwan ... and a few of Europes. I think that's enough for me. So I started Beijing. I think flights that are going to smalllll places are not so profitable, like going to Altay, Aksu... etc
Of course, you can play much more in Large cities (300,000 or 350,000) than medium/small cities.
It's you own choice.
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One thing that you have to consider when building a new base is the increased maintenance costs (the technical staff) for extra bases. I can't recall the exact figures, but there is an increase per extra base. This could become very costly if you have heaps of bases.
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I prefer what I call the "Shock Doctrine" approach to bases. Wait until I can afford a big aircraft order than hit a base with a bunch of flights at once. That way you build your base while driving down your competitor's profits, while being big enough that you are a credible threat.
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Actually, I went mainly with the smaller flights to smaller cities approach. Many cities have low competition and while demand is low, so is the supply. The bigger cities have the best planes on them and it's tough to compete with them at this time.
I hope to utilize 5 gates at my second base so I can get a terminal going to help offset some costs. I planned this out by saving, ordering a few planes to run on the new base and so I in effect used a *mini shock doctrine* of sorts. I think some of my competitors might have noticed this last night...but the best is yet to come when a few of my bigger planes start arriving. :D
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Mr. Gisa ^^
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Terminals don't make sense as a new airline. They're simply too expensive up front and the recovery time is like 2 game years or so....
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I only build terminals when i can't rent gates anymore.
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Apart from when you run out of gates, terminals are often worthwhile if you have more money than you can spend on planes. They decrease costs, and can save you money in the long run. However, it is usually more profitable to spend your money on planes (if you have the time to put them on routes) and just pay a little extra in fees.
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However, holding as many gates as possible in an airport means there will be less competition
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I would say: once all routes within 1000nm are running and thats gonna be the time for me to create a new base.
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I have just started playing AM. I decided for my first world to go into a public world. For my first base, I may or may not have made the mistake of flying out of Long Beach/Daugherty Field (LGB) as my first base. I grew it up to about 45 flights with about 40 destinations. I had a DOC of about 450K. I then just decided to open a base at the nearby Ontario International (ONT). I used my current gates at other airports to create routes from ONT and I bumped up my DOC another 120K with the new ONT base. ONT now has 25 routes from me. I have no idea if I may have gone too quick on the new base. I figured since 60 x 100,000, It would be 6,000,000 and easily affordable. Did I do the right decision????????????????????????????????
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I'ld recommend you to open a new base in a 150k/150k+ airport. 100k is tough for airlines, but as I have said, the best time to create another base is not in terms of routes or DOC, but the longest distance that your route covers. If there are only 40 airports in 1000nm, It'll be time to open a new base and begin your expension out there.
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I'ld recommend you to open a new base in a 150k/150k+ airport. 100k is tough for airlines, but as I have said, the best time to create another base is not in terms of routes or DOC, but the longest distance that your route covers. If there are only 40 airports in 1000nm, It'll be time to open a new base and begin your expension out there.
150K and 200K are far too bad for the expansion of an airline, I can say, especially when you are going to open routes to 50K airports, you are just losing money to the high fly maintenance fee and also to those attacking by "bleeding to death".
Thus, from my point of view, it is NOT suggested, and something valued 250K or even higher are STRONGLY suggested, though I'm not quite satisfactory on the performance of a 250K site.
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I just created another base 322 nm from my first base. Both airports have a gate rental price of 250k, and I had a DOC of about 5 million. When I created the base, my airline value increased dramatically (Almost tipped 1 billion), and my DOC increased by about three million in a matter of hours (I had two planes ready for use at that airport before I created it). My expenses also became "smaller" because I created routes from the new base to the destinations I allready had, which makes the gates at the destinations "cheaper" because you make more profit of that destination, if you understand
BTW, competition is more likely to be harder the higher gate rental price there is
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150K and 200K are far too bad for the expansion of an airline, I can say, especially when you are going to open routes to 50K airports, you are just losing money to the high fly maintenance fee and also to those attacking by "bleeding to death".
You're probably using jets and expensive planes. Super-cheap props (25-50 pax) are all you need on routes to 50k airports.
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I normally open bases when i feel like too, but of course, i would need money first, but never save up for a base. Thats my principle. Dunno why. I mean like, if you don't have the cash to make a new hub, that means you aren't fully utilising your home base.
I reckon that 250k airports are the best. Why? (not cause Kuala Lumpur International Airport, my fav airport, is in that category :P) If you go to 300k+ airports, you'll meet the sensitive nature of competition. If you go 200k-, the airports are a bit too small, but as pseudoswede said, super-cheap props are good for those airports.
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150K and 200K are far too bad for the expansion of an airline, I can say, especially when you are going to open routes to 50K airports, you are just losing money to the high fly maintenance fee and also to those attacking by "bleeding to death".
You're probably using jets and expensive planes. Super-cheap props (25-50 pax) are all you need on routes to 50k airports.
While I'm maintaining 5 250K bases in #506, I found that none of them are really good for me~
But, while others are using jets, if you don't do the same, you will lose in the competition. :(
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Ive tried 250k airports twice. SZX and JNB. To be honest, SZX is quite good for it is close to HKG, yet 200 times :lol: less competition. I believe CAN could be better, but CAN, at that time, was crowded too. (like what LAX usually becomes at the later times of a world) Thats why I choose SZX. My Caravelle and 737-200Adv. could get a 1m DOC there, not bad at all, and there were only three airlines basing there. ^-^
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But, while others are using jets, if you don't do the same, you will lose in the competition. :(
Really? You were complaining about high maintenance costs when using jets to small, 50k airports. That should mean those competing airlines will suffer from increasing maintenance costs while you enjoy modest profits and very low maintenance costs.
Use planes that fit the route.
Even from EWR to 50k airports, there were geniuses that were using A320's and A321's. I experimented with all sorts of aircraft for those routes. In fact, the F100 provided the most profit, and it was almost half the price.
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As most of us know, the Caravelles/F-100 is the best planes for AM..... ^-^
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As most of us know, the Caravelles/F-100 is the best planes for AM..... ^-^
Be more specific, the Cara Super 10B :lol
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I start a new base as soon as most of the profitable routes (usually about 150 flights, varying by airport and region) are gone. After I max out my hubs, I go back and fly the less profitable regional routes, albeit with smaller aircraft. :D I always operate a mix of aircraft just to right-size each market.