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Non-Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: nwadeltaboy on July 10, 2008, 01:25:44 pm
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Just because I'm curious. :D
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Why do we have 4 Liberals here?
I'm the only person that voted McCain...
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Honestly I don't like either.
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Honestly, I don't want either, but I'd rather have Obama then Mcsame.
I really was a Clinton person, and was kinda disappointed when she wasn't the democratic nominee. She should be vice-president now :P.
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nate, you forgot that one independent dude.
OBAMA!!!
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OMABA!!!
Omaba? Surely you must mean obama :P
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opps :oops:
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Why do we have 4 Liberals here?
I'm the only person that voted McCain...
Haha Nitin...seems there are more Liberals than Conservatives outside of Eastview :P
nate, you forgot that one independent dude.
Someone Else
:P
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Its a Natter Nadder or something
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Ralph Nader. Theres also Ron Paul
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In the 1998 computer game F-22 ADF, there is a mission in the campaign where you have to escort AF1 out of Jeddah, when Chinese Su-27s attack. I think it was set in year 2009. The US president is mentioned by name as President Clinton :lol:
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Heck, if these were actual airlines, I'm sure we'd have lots more McCain votes...
They're having a hard enough time making profits without having a further 35% taken away by the Government
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Why do we have 4 Liberals here?
I'm the only person that voted McCain...
McCain is McLame.....
sorry to be offensive --
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The only reason why I voted Omaba is I HATE WARS.
i don't care if the taxation is high or not. Every nation has its own flaw.
Iraq wars = ~$100/barrel, Iran War? $200/barrel?
Look, if you guys are askin for $200/barrel of oil, fine to you, but NOT US!!! And stop complaining cos youre one of the acco*plice. :evil: :x
Askin for sudden death of all buses, airlines? Fine to you, but again, not us. Most American have cars, but NOT here! cos we rely on public transport. :evil:
BTW, Isreal government shouldn't be here if America is not helping them. And now, askin for help to attack Iran?
I'd rather ba a terrorist than being a person that sits elsewhere and doin nothin to help this situation. :x
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Why do we have 4 Liberals here?
I'm the only person that voted McCain...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have no idea which who to pick :o
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I am sorry but I think I can only use the word 'insane' to describe McCain's policy on Iraq. Americans should retreat from there, not send more troops to Iraq.
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hmm...
Bush relys on people in the mid-west & mid USA last round... If no one comes from the mid-west and speaks, this vote is equal or almost equal to useless. I wanna know why they vote for Bush.
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As I said months before: Obama will be the next president. Still believe it :wink:
The US could use higher taxes. Just compare the taxes from other countries. Although I dont trust wiki this one shows sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day
I think Scandinavia has a higher burden than Germany coz of the high taxes on alcoholic drinks and cigarettes :wink:
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The only reason why I voted Omaba is I HATE WARS.
i don't care if the taxation is high or not. Every nation has its own flaw.
Iraq wars = ~$100/barrel, Iran War? $200/barrel?
Look, if you guys are askin for $200/barrel of oil, fine to you, but NOT US!!! And stop complaining cos youre one of the acco*plice. :evil: :x
Askin for sudden death of all buses, airlines? Fine to you, but again, not us. Most American have cars, but NOT here! cos we rely on public transport. :evil:
BTW, Isreal government shouldn't be here if America is not helping them. And now, askin for help to attack Iran?
I'd rather ba a terrorist than being a person that sits elsewhere and doin nothin to help this situation. :x
Hey, hey, hey, HEY, we Americans hate the war too, and we are FEELING THE EFFECT OF IT just as much as you guys. OUR GAS PRICES ARE NO LOWER THAN YOURS. IN FACT, THERE PROBABLY HIGHER!!!!!!!!1 :-x :-x :-x
I am sorry but I think I can only use the word 'insane' to describe McCain...
McCain is McLame
I voted Omaba
Obama will be the next president.
You see, Nitin, you are outnumbered! :P
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Calm down or this will be locked.
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Hey, hey, hey, HEY, we Americans hate the war too, and we are FEELING THE EFFECT OF IT just as much as you guys. OUR GAS PRICES ARE NO LOWER THAN YOURS. IN FACT, THERE PROBABLY HIGHER!!!!!!!! :-x :-x :-x
The term 'we' prob. not referring to Nitin......
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American gas prices are actually some of the lowest in the planet. We have it good at 4.00 dollars a gallon. In europe, notably France, It's at 9.00 dollars a gallon at least.
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OBAMA will win! you'll see!
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OBAMA will win! you'll see!
Its the US presidential elections, nobody expected G.W. Bush to be reelected for a second term either. Remember, Obama is still the first black candidate for the US presidency post.
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G.W. still had an approval rating above 50% then, you have to remember that; It was before Hurricane Katrina which made it plummet (It's under 30% these days, according to a couple Of sources I've read). The difference between him and McCain is that McCain has many similar policies than Bush, and Independents will thus probably vote for Obama.
Also, I think that the Electoral College isn't a good Idea, seeing as the majority of people can want a candidate, but the other win. (i.e., the 2000 elections)
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OBAMA will win! you'll see!
Its the US presidential elections, nobody expected G.W. Bush to be reelected for a second term either. Remember, Obama is still the first black candidate for the US presidency post.
so what if hes black, pink, purple or god knows what else?
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He isn't a US citizen. :wink:
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Obama isn't or Ali? Obama is cause he was born here in the US but was raised in Indonesia
Ali is not a us citizen
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Obama isn't or Ali? Obama is cause he was born here in the US but was raised in Indonesia
Ali is not a us citizen
one question: what the donkeys does my view have to do with where I live?
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Hey, hey, hey, HEY, we Americans hate the war too, and we are FEELING THE EFFECT OF IT just as much as you guys. OUR GAS PRICES ARE NO LOWER THAN YOURS. IN FACT, THERE PROBABLY HIGHER!!!!!!!!1 :-x :-x :-x
You see, Nitin, you are outnumbered! :P
Nate, I don't know where you are but in the US we have some of the lowest gas prices for non-major oil producing countires, because the government isn't taxing the hell out of us... That's why (I'm afraid Obama was right on this) the gas tax holiday was ridiculous, as the taxes on our gas is only 20-30 cents a gallon.
And Nate, yes, I see I'm outnumbered here on the forums, on a margin of 20-1...
But still, I'm fairly sure I don't stand alone in the real world.
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
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Remember, Obama is still the first black candidate for the US presidency post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson :P
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Wait.. Whos the second guy who voted for McCain?
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
And quite frankly, Obama's just going to put 50% Capital gains tax on them...
That'll be a great help :roll:
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
And quite frankly, Obama's just going to put 50% Capital gains tax on them...
That'll be a great help :roll:
Taxes that will get you a free public health system :wink: You think 50% taxes are bad, you have seen nothing.
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Like NZ
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
It's been several years ago that some scientists suddenly discovered that oil and gas wont last forever. :shock: Instead of doing something to push a/c manufacturers researching for alternative fuel they ordered aircrafts in masses and forced low cost operations. People used the freedom to travel everywhere they could use the aircraft. Now that exploring new sources is very consuming in the financial way and everybody is addicted to oil/gas some people thought "Hey, they need it. They gonna pay for it!"
I am sorry - but the current way is leading to a dead end. As long as there is nothing "nature-neutral" mankind will always face an end of ressources and prices will be raised. Although it hurts my banking account I am with those people trying to raise the prices for everything not needed to survive - such as aircraft fuel. But the man will possibly never learn this lesson until the oil reserves have disappeared. Oh, yeah, and nuclear power plants will help a lot to keep our environment free of pollution. You may ask the three-eyed fish.
It is strange though that the country with the highest energy consumption per person has such low prices for it. :roll: But this will change - regardless if the next president is McCain or Obama. The big military fleets of your country will get more and more expensive resulting in higher taxes. Just wait a bit and see what happens.
Just my two cents. :wink:
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McCain= Old Fart
Obama = Yay
Clinton = Super Yay!
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
And quite frankly, Obama's just going to put 50% Capital gains tax on them...
That'll be a great help :roll:
Taxes that will get you a free public health system :wink: You think 50% taxes are bad, you have seen nothing.
And a free public health system that's poor quality...
Governments don't do much right by themselves.
I would also expect wait times to go up.
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This is why I'm moving to Europe. High taxes don't bother me, as long as I still get something out of them
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Im really hopping that the US government will do something to help our US airlines. about 60,000 jobs are being cut from are major US airlines. With the ever increasing plane fuel, they are in deep trouble. America can't live without air travel. The US needs to do something to save our airlines before its to late. And I sure do hope our new president will see this and do something.
And quite frankly, Obama's just going to put 50% Capital gains tax on them...
That'll be a great help :roll:
Taxes that will get you a free public health system :wink: You think 50% taxes are bad, you have seen nothing.
And a free public health system that's poor quality...
Governments don't do much right by themselves.
I would also expect wait times to go up.
Why would public health systems be bad just because it is run by the government? The entire Europe does perfectly with a public health system. Private hospitals still excist in the oh-so socialist Europe, for those who are naive enough. And what would you do if you had no money, and got injured or sick?
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It's the reason why Communist governments ultimately fail-
The government is inefficient and wasteful with money...
http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/bg1840.cfm -- Don't read the whole thing, just look at the list of ten...
Or look at this -- http://www.fee.org/Publications/the-Freeman/article.asp?aid=3782
Quite frankly, I think individuals can spend money on what they want better then the government can.
And you want to help the poor get money?
Welfare's the wrong way to go...
The only real "welfare" you can give is to give people a job.
Where do the majority of jobs come from? Large Businesses, whether you like them or not.
I have no degree in Economics, but I'm certain that taxing businesses 50% won't help make more jobs.
As much of a Republican I may be, I'm also fairly certain that we can at the very least not put more troops in Iraq....
We don't need to withdraw completely at this stage, but I think we can at least start...
EDIT: It appears from the post that I support eliminating welfare completely, which is something I do not.
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Stephen M for President
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Lord Vlode.... look at Canada. They run a very succesful Health Care system. Then, look at the Us'.... Which one is in a mess?
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I've never been called Lord Vlode :wink:
Heck, I think I'm I stick around here any longer, people are going to hate me...
Anyways, note that while the government (in Canada) pays for the health care, they pay people to do it. (not gov't run)
There is, in my opinion, a huge difference there.
Also, a chunk of our Health Care programs (Medicare, etc...) goes to people who can pay for it.
I think we can rectify that, hasten the end of the war, and then increase funding from there.
I'm still not going for a complete government funding of health care, buy extensions of stuff like SCHIP and Medicare.
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oopps :P
no one will hate you. Its just.... welll people like arguing :lol:
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Stephen M for President
Agreed!
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/me faints
I don't think theres a great difference in between high fuel costs and high taxes. You can reduce taxes but you can't reduce your fuel cost(except youre drivin a motorpad). Youve to drive to work, drive to your dad's home/ mum's home....
But youve a free health system....
When youre sick, cancer, or what so ever, youve a almost-free health system. Youll appreciate that when youve cancer or what.
Obama: Free Health System, Lower fuel costs
McCain: Lower taxes.
I don't see why people will vote for McCain....
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/me faints
I don't think theres a great difference in between high fuel costs and high taxes. You can reduce taxes but you can't reduce your fuel cost(except youre drivin a motorpad). Youve to drive to work, drive to your dad's home/ mum's home....
But youve a free health system....
When youre sick, cancer, or what so ever, youve a almost-free health system. Youll appreciate that when youve cancer or what.
Obama: Free Health System, Lower fuel costs
McCain: Lower taxes.
I don't see why people will vote for McCain....
There are also some social issues apparently. There are people here who like to have a conservative Point of View (as there is in all countries), and since McCain is a Republican, which is mostly conservative compared to the Democrats (supposedly), and that is who McCain is aiming himself (at conservatives).
With that said though, I don't like any of these guys. McCain is socially is trying to appeal to social conservatives pretty much and push their agenda, Obama is very hard to keep up with and it's hard to see where he stands. After talking with other people, they feel the same, I think this might be when Ralph Nader gets about 10% of the vote as opposed to his usual 3%.
I should add that we have a tax slashing governor in Florida now, and he had slashed taxes so much so far, that many public services (police, schools, Fire Departments) had to make cuts sizable cuts, or the districts having to pick up from there and create their own taxes. Most tax payers here who were told that Amendment 1 (the amendment that voters had to vote for to pass his cuts) would save the FL homeowner thousands per year, though many were surprised to find even 500 bucks in savings. If McCain becomes president, we might have that same thing happen in a larger scale as federal funding for some things may get cut, and as a college student, that concerns me, as it means I'll have to pay even more to go to school since most of the federal funding wouldn't be there.
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It's the reason why Communist governments ultimately fail-
The government is inefficient and wasteful with money...
http://www.heritage.org/research/budget/bg1840.cfm -- Don't read the whole thing, just look at the list of ten...
Or look at this -- http://www.fee.org/Publications/the-Freeman/article.asp?aid=3782
Yes, that is the reason some Communist governments fail. A bit of socialism wont make a country a communist country. Besides, the Liberals will still have roughly 40% of the power in the congress. If they change government every few years, its the perfect balance. The Socialists wont make a communist country, the liberals wont make a liberal country. It will be the best of both sides.
BTW, its not a good idea to claim communism and socialism is bad, when your country has never had any experience with either.
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Nitin, Its up to u to Complain after youve experienced it. But not NOW...
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Why would public health systems be bad just because it is run by the government? The entire Europe does perfectly with a public health system. Private hospitals still excist in the oh-so socialist Europe, for those who are naive enough. And what would you do if you had no money, and got injured or sick?
Caugh - caugh. It does not. At least not in Germany. Let me tell you something about it.
Feel sick? Your stomach hurts? Ok, first you need to go to your family doctor. Have not been here this quarter. Pay 10 EUR. "I got an insurance!" You still have to pay. Now the doctor has a look at you just to tell you he cant help here and he sends you to a specialist. You call his office to meet him. "You have never been here before? Well, we have no time for you right now. How about in three months? Oh, and you have a public insurance? No private one? Sorry, you'll have to wait another two months." "Hey, it hurts now! I need help!" "Sorry, you may look for another specialist." Ok, you do so just to experience the same story again. Don't believe me? Its from my own experience.
The only chance to meet a specialist on time is when you lost 1 liter of blood already or unconscious.
The percentage you have to pay from your wage raised a lot within the last few years. As of now you pay about 15% of your total income (the half is payed by your company). Years ago we once had a good public health system. Lost a tooth? Insurance payed for. Today? Hope you have a big vallet to pay for or got an additional private insurance. Need some medicine on a regular basis (like asthma spray)? Pay for it (if your pharmaceutical expenses exceed 10% of your annual brutto income you'll get a small refund).
I dont think we have the worst health system here but it gets worse everyday. :(
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Thank you :D
This is exactly what I'm talking about a deteriorating health care system.
They start out with fine intentions, but end up worse than Private Health care.
The fact is, governments aren't going to provide the most cost-effective/timely service since they're not making a profit out of it... They're simply doing it because they have to. (The same thing that happens in a Communism, might I add)
I'm sure most of Europe's health care isn't quite as bad as AirHannover said (not yet), but it's certainly far from perfect.
And might I add that you're just paying for health care through higher taxes and your lovely 21% VAT?
(VAT is basically just government induced inflation.... Sales tax is, imo, better)
@ Virgin Serbia
- Can you name a communist government that can be described as successful, economically or otherwise?
China? They're hardly a communism, with they're forty some billionaires...
Soviet Union did great until they collapsed...
Note that I have nothing against Russians or Chinese people
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Its even worse over here. Youve to wait. No matter its just cough or inflamation in your lungs. Wait 1 ~ 3 hours plz.
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This is turning out to be more of just a debate topic...
Btw, Cheung, where are you?
Yay, another McCain vote :wink:
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The only chance to meet a specialist on time is when you lost 1 liter of blood already or unconscious.
Hit yourself over the head with a dictionary then! :P
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This is turning out to be more of just a debate topic...
Btw, Cheung, where are you?
Yay, another McCain vote :wink:
Do you realize that McCain wont do anything. Our system will get worse :wink:
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Im Fred, Lord Volde....
Call me Fred instead of Cheung or what so ever.....
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Ok thanks, Fred :D
I've only been foruming here for a while, so I have yet to really know everyone.
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@ Virgin Serbia
- Can you name a communist government that can be described as successful, economically or otherwise?
China? They're hardly a communism, with they're forty some billionaires...
You just eliminated one, China. Vietnam is fast on the way to become succesful too. Vietnam had to recover from war and trade restrictions imposed by the "The land of free trade". You cant really say that Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan have been unsuccesful either :wink: (not the greatest succes stories though).
But i was not writing of communist countries being great. I was writing about governments that are part socialist. There is a difference. Unlike the US, where you can vote for the political right wing and the political right wing, in Europe we can choose between left and right. Europe is not exactly unsuccesful, is it? :roll:
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Its even worse over here. Youve to wait. No matter its just cough or inflamation in your lungs. Wait 1 ~ 3 hours plz.
You just don't realize how bad the US health system is when compared to HK. They could close down an ER just because they are "too busy" in US. :roll:
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Hah, you've obviously never visited the UK :D
My brother sat in A&E with a broken leg for 6 hours before a doctor even looked at him...
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My brother waited twelve hours for someone to look at a half an inch deep, five inch long cut that needed stitches. He was bleeding like mad. The nice nurse told us: "Here are some sanitizing wipes and a towel for the cut, the next ER doctor will be available between the next 10 and 14 hours. The US health sucks. s-u-c-k-s.
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Australia (or atleast Perth):
Patient: I had a deep cut in my leg and it really hurts!!!
Nurse: Sorry, but please wait over on the chair. We will treat you as soon as possible
*Patient goes sit on chair*
2 hours later....
Patient: Nurse when is it my turn?
Nurse: Sorry, but this clinic needs to close as it is already 4 o'clock
That really happened to me :(
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Natin, Im from HK and basically, if your sickness / patient has no immediate need to be treated, he'she has to wait for at least 3 hours. Those who are able to walk to the hospital. 1 hour at least......... :cry:
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And I'm guessing you blame that on lack of government funding?
Anyways, I'm not going to argue with you about Hong Kong.
I've never lived there, and thus I feel that it would be dumb to say anything I find off google with no experience :wink:
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So, all of you think our "Glorious American Capitalist Hospitals" are great here in the US as well, as in you'll get in and out within 2 hours? A few months ago, I had ended up getting a very bad bug where I had to go to the bathroom every 5 mins with me having stuff coming out of both ends (I'm trying to be as little specific about it as I can). While there, you couldn't even drink water, since you would not know when you would get called up to see a specialist (they had a placecard by the vending machines saying so). I came into there at around 7/8 PM, by 3AM, we got so sick and tired of waiting, and not even getting any help, my mom grew fed up and we had to go home! This is really bad, as I possibly could've dehydrated to death in that emergency room with how things were run.
From what I read though, this seems to be a problem with not only the US, but countries who claim to have some kind of "socialist" health care system too, though oddly enough. I think this has more to do with how hospitals are run or how many of them have too much demand to deal with the supply they can give out.
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MThe US health sucks. s-u-c-k-s.
Thanks to republicans like Nitin.
Do you know what else sucks? Education. Do you know how little teachers get paid over here? :(
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Well ... If you're really interested in politics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEtmyWZReOg
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MThe US health sucks. s-u-c-k-s.
Thanks to republicans like Nitin.
Do you know what else sucks? Education. Do you know how little teachers get paid over here? :(
I personally don't support paying teachers minimum wage.
It would be fine with me if we were paying them more if they had performance pay.
(Boost the average pay some amount, but we could deviate from that based on how well they taught)
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MThe US health sucks. s-u-c-k-s.
Thanks to republicans like Nitin.
Do you know what else sucks? Education. Do you know how little teachers get paid over here? :(
I personally don't support paying teachers minimum wage.
It would be fine with me if we were paying them more if they had performance pay.
(Boost the average pay some amount, but we could deviate from that based on how well they taught)
I'm not even going to say anything, because we have argued about the the North Minneapolis thing so much by now :P
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That's quite a different thing.
This is solely about paying teachers...
Skaiplg - Getting free healthcare to everyone will only make you wait longer...
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That's quite a different thing.
This is solely about paying teachers...
...on the basis of how well their kids do. And motivation doesn't really matter a whole lot. Because some people are as motivated as they can be yet don't have the capacity or background to do what they want.
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K-Rudd bless Australia
geez well K-Rudd also bless Private Health insurance with no waiting in a room while ur holding ur leg in your left arm insted of below ur hip
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That's quite a different thing.
This is solely about paying teachers...
...on the basis of how well their kids do. And motivation doesn't really matter a whole lot. Because some people are as motivated as they can be yet don't have the capacity or background to do what they want.
To do what they want, maybe not.
But they do have the capacity to do something...
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That's quite a different thing.
This is solely about paying teachers...
...on the basis of how well their kids do. And motivation doesn't really matter a whole lot. Because some people are as motivated as they can be yet don't have the capacity or background to do what they want.
To do what they want, maybe not.
But they do have the capacity to do something...
Not much though. For the most part, your parents are the determining factor in how motivated you are. And if your parents are f'ing losers, that's not your fault, is it?
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neither are that good imo...lol did anyone watch cnn when they showed someone accidentally calling osama bin laden "obama bin laden"?
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Nate, so do you think seriously someone who's parents are poor can't do anything at all?
One doesn't need to go to MIT to get a job, you know.
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Nate, so do you think seriously someone who's parents are poor can't do anything at all?
One doesn't need to go to MIT to get a job, you know.
Not that they can't do anything, but the fact that someone has parents that don't give a crap about their kids' educations doesn't help a whole lot :P