Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: NorfolkInternational on July 02, 2008, 05:51:46 pm
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: NorfolkInternational on July 02, 2008, 05:51:46 pm
Since my dramatic return to the game, this new feature has taken place.
Can anyone explain the effects etc etc?
Some of my planes have massively high hours and cycles since I buy them all 2nd hand at a lower price so I am wondering what implications they have.
Cheers NIA.
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 02, 2008, 06:01:47 pm
Currently, none. Its a realism piece. Under the new maintenance, they will have a big effect.
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: NorfolkInternational on July 02, 2008, 09:22:32 pm
Could you explain what a cycle is please?
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: LOT 737-300 on July 02, 2008, 09:29:30 pm
Quote from: "NorfolkInternational"
Could you explain what a cycle is please?
If I can recall what I learned correctly, a "cycle" is a takeoff and landing. So if you were to do MCO-SFO-ORD I think there are two cycles in involved in it.
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: iranair777 on July 02, 2008, 09:33:12 pm
One cycle is when A aircraft is pressurised and then depressurised. This may be more than once on a single flight as the plane might pressurise at a high alt, then depressurise when going lower, and then repressurise when going higher. but it is quite rare for that to happen
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: Chavaquiah on July 02, 2008, 09:49:56 pm
Quote from: "iranair777"
One cycle is when A aircraft is pressurised and then depressurised.
Interesting. So, aircraft without pressurized cabins do not have cycles?
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: iranair777 on July 02, 2008, 09:51:26 pm
Quote from: "mg35pt"
Quote from: "iranair777"
One cycle is when A aircraft is pressurised and then depressurised.
Interesting. So, aircraft without pressurized cabins do not have cycles?
I never thought of that! The actual answer for a cycle is what I wrote But by guessing I would believe that they will just be done up as hours
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 02, 2008, 10:18:19 pm
Cycle is Flying A-B. Thats it in a nutshell.
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 02, 2008, 10:27:22 pm
A cycle is a takeoff and a landing, guess you know nothing about planes 777 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 03, 2008, 12:02:23 am
Quote from: "DAK"
A cycle is a takeoff and a landing, guess you know nothing about planes 777 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Everyone makes mistakes. He is entitled to one. ;)
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 03, 2008, 12:09:15 am
One? He made that one months ago, I don't carry credit.. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I am allowed to have a go at 777, it is mutual.
By the way SM, it is still a cycle if the plane goes from A to A. Some takeoffs and landings are counted as more then one cycle, such as higher then standard approach angles. ie Lugano and LCY.
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 03, 2008, 12:17:52 am
Quote from: "DAK"
By the way SM, it is still a cycle if the plane goes from A to A. Some takeoffs and landings are counted as more then one cycle, such as higher then standard approach angles. ie Lugano and LCY.
Anomalies such as that are not catered for in AM at the moment. It would be fun to factor in approach types like 500m vis at an airport with an NDB DME which would cause problems. :D
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 03, 2008, 12:20:00 am
Yep or Knock with a circling approach
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 03, 2008, 12:21:39 am
Quote from: "DAK"
Yep or Knock with a circling approach
How about the Ryanair approach? Both pilots try to program the FMC while the autopilot takes them to 400ft before they realise whats going on! :lol: (Report on it available from www.aaiu.ie)
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 03, 2008, 12:27:51 am
There was one on American Tigers that went in after all four on the flight deck were too busy changing a light bulb, I will try to find the link. t was a DC 8 if I remember right
here is a link to a similar one: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19721229-0
I will find the DC8 one later
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 03, 2008, 01:15:54 am
Of course a lot of them can't even land at the right airport:
http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html
So is the cycle complete even though they landed at the wrong airport?
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 03, 2008, 01:49:05 am
Quote from: "DAK"
Of course a lot of them can't even land at the right airport:
Last case of that here was when a Ryanair flight (Operated by a Third Party) landed at a UK RAF base/Army Base in Northern Ireland. I bet that was embarrassing!
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: DAK on July 03, 2008, 09:53:32 am
I think that was eirjet
Title: Cycles and Airframe
Post by: StephenM on July 03, 2008, 10:54:32 am
Quote from: "DAK"
I think that was eirjet
It sure was, the poor buggers went out of business soon after.