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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: oblivion468 on June 25, 2008, 03:16:01 pm

Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: oblivion468 on June 25, 2008, 03:16:01 pm
I was wondering if there is an effort to update outdated airport passenger data. Also, is passenger data for all years the same. Or do the number of passengers at a given airport change for different game years?
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: StephenM on June 25, 2008, 03:18:30 pm
We have two staff members who's responsibility it is to update passenger data as it is available. People also post passenger data on the data forum, provided there is a reliable source (Not Wikipedia!) we will update the data.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: Tiger In Training on June 25, 2008, 05:38:51 pm
Wiki tends to serve me well...
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: StephenM on June 25, 2008, 06:01:09 pm
Quote from: "Tiger In Training"
Wiki tends to serve me well...


Its fine as a reference, poor as a source.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: Vamerica on June 25, 2008, 06:24:05 pm
reason being is that any twit around the world can change the pax. Its so open for the public to do as they please. Even if that means ruining the data
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on June 25, 2008, 08:23:13 pm
I am one of the persons Stephen is talking about.

If you have updates for airports post in the Game Data section of this forum or feel free to send me a PM including pax numbers and the link to the source. Remember wiki won't be accepted.
Title: W9
Post by: Zero-G on June 27, 2008, 06:00:36 am
I was doing an Airport search, in the USA in world 9.

I checked ORD to "Marshall Don Hunter"  listed in the north america section, it showed it north of Australia??? 3000 miles away?  is this right or a bug?

Zero-G
Title: Re: W9
Post by: dktc on June 29, 2008, 01:00:19 pm
Quote from: "Zero-G"
I was doing an Airport search, in the USA in world 9.

I checked ORD to "Marshall Don Hunter"  listed in the north america section, it showed it north of Australia??? 3000 miles away?  is this right or a bug?

Zero-G



The distance is correct, so the coor in the db is correct.

The IATA code used for GCM is MDM and according to GCM, that IATA code is for Munduku, Papua-New Guinea. As a result, the map is not correctly displayed.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: nwadeltaboy on June 29, 2008, 10:01:38 pm
Quote from: "StephenM"
Quote from: "Tiger In Training"
Wiki tends to serve me well...


Its fine as a reference, poor as a source.

Perfectly said. :D
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: yourefired on June 29, 2008, 11:34:25 pm
I hear the A343 and A333 hold different numbers of passengers....why? They both have the same fuselage...
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: Seattle on June 29, 2008, 11:37:48 pm
Quote from: "yourefired"
I hear the A343 and A333 hold different numbers of passengers....why? They both have the same fuselage...
its about 2 people different :lol:
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: yourefired on June 29, 2008, 11:58:31 pm
Really? According to my hearsay data I was told 440 for the A343 and 375 for the A333-but maybe it changed yet again....it really should be about 375 for both.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: dktc on June 30, 2008, 03:55:02 am
Sometimes, the same fuelage may hold different number of pax because we are talking about max pax one could squeeze in, not the typical pax one would "comfortably" have. Certain certification issues may have created a little difference in max pax.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: Zero-G on July 01, 2008, 04:00:14 am
Like the Real Spirit Airlines A321's now offically hold 218 Passengers, a lot more then Airbus states as norm.

Quote from: "dktc"
Sometimes, the same fuelage may hold different number of pax because we are talking about max pax one could squeeze in, not the typical pax one would "comfortably" have. Certain certification issues may have created a little difference in max pax.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: tushardhoot1 on July 01, 2008, 04:18:28 am
So, back to the previous question, do airports change as the years go by in the game or is it one size fits all.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: dktc on July 01, 2008, 04:38:13 am
We update the data every real life year, manually, based on sources we have collected and those provided by players. We are looking for official data, just like we would when we add airports.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: tushardhoot1 on July 01, 2008, 04:39:58 am
So, like, Mumbai passenger data in 1961 would be actual data from 2007/8, right?
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: dktc on July 01, 2008, 04:48:50 am
Correct.

It is near impossible to get data for 61~
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: tushardhoot1 on July 01, 2008, 05:17:52 am
KK, that's cool. Game gets too complicated otherwise with the rise and fall of the soviet union, fuel crisis in the '70s and such.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on July 01, 2008, 08:09:55 am
You may have a look into the Game Data section of this forum to see recent changes to airports. You may also post reliable sources (wiki is not such a source!) there if you found an airport that has not been updated to the latest data. Two things to keep in mind:

1. A new airport will make it directly into the worlds (if those are not limited to special airports) when we add it to the database.
2. Airport updates will be seen for first time in the game when a new world spawns up.
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: qantas on July 02, 2008, 11:47:29 am
Gimpo Pax Data wrong

For Gimpo (GMP), Incheon (ICN) airport is supposed to have more pax right? However, gimpo is leading with 33,000,000 something pax with Incheon at the correct pax level of 31,000,000. This should be fixed FAST
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: nwadeltaboy on July 02, 2008, 02:13:19 pm
Quote from: "qantas"
Gimpo Pax Data wrong

For Gimpo (GMP), Incheon (ICN) airport is supposed to have more pax right? However, gimpo is leading with 33,000,000 something pax with Incheon at the correct pax level of 31,000,000. This should be fixed FAST

I always wondered that too :?
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on July 02, 2008, 10:38:50 pm
Quote from: "qantas"
Gimpo Pax Data wrong

For Gimpo (GMP), Incheon (ICN) airport is supposed to have more pax right? However, gimpo is leading with 33,000,000 something pax with Incheon at the correct pax level of 31,000,000. This should be fixed FAST


Has been taken care of already. Just wait for the next world to spawn up and join it. You will be amazed about the 2007 data :twisted:

(Hint: Gimpo is now almost a domestic airport only serving Japan and China as the only international destinations IIRC.)
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: connor16 on July 02, 2008, 11:30:37 pm
Did a lot of the passengers at major airports drop like Gimpo?  :?
Title: Changing Passenger Data
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on July 03, 2008, 07:07:43 am
Nope, not that massive. Some experienced a drop but some smaller airports increased traffic. There will be some less pax for South Korea but this was caused by the outdated pax data for Gimpo. AFAIK Gimpo was the main airport until 2001 (not sure about the year) before Incheon overtook this role. The numbers for Gimpo in the game represented a status the airport does not have anymore.

If you want to help us in updating pax numbers (airport traffic increased a lot last year in some regions of the world = more pax for you to move) or adding new airports to the game use a little of your spare time on searching for those data. Especially when you are located in a a non-english or non-german speaking country it will be a lot easier for you than for me finding such data by using you local language. The best is a complete list for the whole country as I found for Brazil or Sweden. This way I can update all at once.