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Non-Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: StephenM on June 13, 2008, 10:48:06 am
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Unfortunately Ireland is the only country that gets to vote on the Treaty. There is an interesting video about it, but as with any internet publication, take it with a pinch of salt. Its heavily biased and may not include the whole truth.
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=37833
We held our referendum yesterday, it could be a close call if the Treaty gets through here!
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I hope it doesn't. Most people in this country don't really want to be part of the EU due to the end of strict border controls and losing the power to stop illegal immmigrants, and also, whilst a good thing now, mass immigration, i.e. after 10 countries joined the EU in 2004 and hundreds of thousands of eastern europeans flooded into western europe for employment. From this point of view, money was being taken out of our economy and sent back to theirs, they took up resources needed for low income citizens, like local authority housing, where the already overstretched system got even worse. The flipside of them taking up many low-paid jobs is that as a country, we could not force people living off benefits and who aren't even looking for employment into the job market, which is needed to lower the tax burden on the working people, especially as it was getting worse due to a rising dependency ratio through having an ageing population and the baby boomers from after WW2 heading for retirement. Things like this, which stem from the EU cause a chain reaction and prevent many other things from happening. The EU controls over food production have also stopped many farmers making most of their land so that they can benefit from rising food prices, plus it would lower prices again, which would be a good idea, however through the Common Agricultural Policy this cannot happen, be it through quotas, set aside... It is crazy.
Message to Brussels: Feck Off!
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And feck off to Mandleson. We don't want the WTO to open up trade! :cry: Its bad enough Agriculture in Ireland is on its knees, no need for the chopping block.
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News just in:
The Irish have made the right decision and voted it down.
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46.6% Yes vs 53.4% No.
Nice margin there too. Ah well, back to the drawing board, our Politicians are saying we are going to be shunned by Europe. I cant wait for them to get the blame., all the major political parties came together to campaign for Yes, including the Unions and business groups. Shows they actually have little influence on the Irish people. :lol:
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Now you know how the United States feels :wink: :lol:
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All these President Video and Commercials. There always on the news. Yup, we don't need any more stuff happening here
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Nooooooooooooo, you all voted wrong :cry:
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Nooooooooooooo, you all voted wrong :cry:
Yeah I know, the 46.6% of the people. :lol:
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Nooooooooooooo, you all voted wrong :cry:
For the record I voted yes. Ireland has benefited greatly from the EU and will continue you to,
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How old do you have to be to vote in Ireland? :?
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How old do you have to be to vote in Ireland? :?
18.
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all the major political parties came together to campaign for Yes, including the Unions and business groups. Shows they actually have little influence on the Irish people. :lol:
For the record I voted yes.
At least on you, Stephen! ROFL
(BTW: If we had the chance to vote I would also vote YES.)
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At least on you, Stephen! ROFL
Nah, I couldn't care less who said what. I just looked at the abbreviated version of what the Treaty would do and made my mind up on that.
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Actually while I don't mind the immigrants from Eastern Europe I really dislike the EU. IMO they're a bunch of children who are busy with fighting each other and making ridicoulus laws that don't benefit anyone. It would all be so much easier if the members would have seperate treaties with each other for dimanteling the inner European borders etc.
I wish the Germans could have voted on this treaty as well, but our whoa-so-democratic politicians think that everyone is going to turn into a nazi as soon as they allow the people to vote on important issues :roll:
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I wish the Germans could have voted on this treaty as well, but our whoa-so-democratic politicians think that everyone is going to turn into a nazi as soon as they allow the people to vote on important issues :roll:
Probably. There is almost nobody blaming us (germans) for the WWII - besides our politicians. Everytime the NATO, UNO or whoever asks us for military help the same big discussion about the sensitive treatment of the bad history starts all over again. Well, I do not know how history is treated in other countries but I am pretty sure that the western nations do not think any minute about their history in various regions of the world (e.g. remember what happened to the native americans after Columbus discovered America) when forming a force to help one or the other nation in a military way.
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I think the politicians are just afraid to hear the people's opinion on the quality of their decisions. They rather resort to votes that only happen every 5 years and where you have the choice between the pest and cholera instead of letting us decide directly (that never did any harm to Switzerland either, and you can't tell me that with today's technology it's impossible to stage a vote once a month or so :roll: )