Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: christianxxx on June 04, 2008, 04:42:04 pm
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Hi,
I was really excited to see that world 8 opened today, as my project in world 3 has stalled.
Part from the aircraft, the setup is pretty much the same, which suites me. Starting cash is €500.000.
To my surprise there was already heavy competition in my area, 17 hours before gamestart.
I did a little research and a little math, and I found out my competitor has rented gates for €2.800.000!!!
And the research costs comes on top of that.
As we're not making any money yet, this has to be either a cheater or something unfair (it has a personally different setup or something).
I'm somewhat discouraged from continuing as its setup gives a DOP probably 4x mine, and I really want to see an explanation to how this is possible.
I have suspected this from my previous project. I saw many performing beyond what the region would make possible, at least over such short period of time.
On that project I blamed my self for not seeing opportunities, but here we see real evidence.
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my competitor has rented gates for €2.800.000!!!
It's possible to rent gates even when you don't have enough cash, as long as airline value stays above a certain limit. Renting gates well over starting cash is absolutely normal. Indeed, you should do the same.
So, no cheating there, I think. And since you can/should do the same, it's not even unfair. :)
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I had NO IDEA! If I knew this earlier, so many things could have been different. Wish me luck! Or rather, wish my opponents luck... ;)
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LOL! Don't worry. I didn't start playing that long ago and you wouldn't believe the mistakes I made at first.
It's a learning experience. Just try things out and you'll soon get the hang of it. I'd recommend taking some time to browse through this forum as there is a lot of knowledge to gather here.
Otherwise, keep it fun and... GOT GET 'EM! :lol:
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So lets say World 8 began less than 24 hours ago and we all started with 500,000 and one plane right? So how can a player have more than one plane? In the first game month I would think no airline would sput its only plane up for sale...I figured you could create another airline and sell that airlines only plane to yourself. Is there another way? Do some players get planes quicker than 24 hours?
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So lets say World 8 began less than 24 hours ago and we all started with 500,000 and one plane right? So how can a player have more than one plane? In the first game month I would think no airline would sput its only plane up for sale...I figured you could create another airline and sell that airlines only plane to yourself. Is there another way? Do some players get planes quicker than 24 hours?
You may be talking about a game broker. They get scraps.
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As far as I know, it is not possible to sell the first aircraft until you have others.
It is most likely that the player in question is a broker (brokers get scraps) or that there is a database error.
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As far as I know, it is not possible to sell the first aircraft until you have others.
It is most likely that the player in question is a broker (brokers get scraps) or that there is a database error.
Just said that, but cheers anyway... :roll:
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I must have loaded the reply page before you posted... :roll:
Regardless, I doubt there is much or any cheating going on.
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they get scraps? In the first game month? For instance to prove my point I went to the bottom of the rankings and found an airlines that has .... no airplane. What would be the point there?
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its all good. Nahh...doubt a rampant issue. Good players will make good decision and move up and I'll just pop another adderall and devote my day at work to the game gotta love working in IT for nonprofits. :wink:
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they get scraps? In the first game month? For instance to prove my point I went to the bottom of the rankings and found an airlines that has .... no airplane. What would be the point there?
If an account is reset/cancelled. Maybe if someone chooses the wrong base. The planes have to go somewhere.
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I Just bought two emb-110P2 so no harm done
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all this is possible.
but by the other hand, we yes, have cheaters on the game. its easy to see them; check the 10 top players of your world and you will see 99,5% loadfactors. thats absolutely impossible unless they use some cheating script to update their routes.
you can see that the real players, have 80, 85%: thats the best you can get when you have so many routes. im world#6 number 17 in the rank, and i cant get more then 87% loadfactor, because i would have to stay the entire day updating my routes. if i click right now on routes under 50% loadfactor, i get more then 150 routes do edit. imagine someone twice as bigger then me, with 95% loadfactor...
santa claus i guess.
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check the 10 top players of your world and you will see 99,5% loadfactors. thats absolutely impossible unless they use some cheating script to update their routes.
Enough with this nonsense. Just because some people don't know how to or don't have the time to play properly, that's no excuse to accuse others of cheating.
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fenati, they have so many routes that their loadfactor is extremely high, only because a small portion of the routes is under 100% LF it still stays high. Unlke people with a low amount of routes.
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For the really large airlines, you have to consider that most of the routes they fly have very little to no competition because they fly to just about every airport anywhere near their hubs, most of these routes are so obscure, they have no competition, and so they do not have to update most of their routes.
As someone previously pointed out, it is easier to maintain a 95% + load factor with 1000 routes than with 100 routes.
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i insist. that this is no excuse. i also have a big airline, i fly to almost every possible place below 2000nm arround my bases, and im saying is impossible to get 99.5% and mantain it. In europe, from big bases like mine, say frankfurt, madrid, etc, there is NO ROUTE without some competition.
its not a nonsense, for christ sake. i doubt is too hard for someone who knows programming well to make a greasemonkey script or something.
you have to at least agree with me that for a big airline to mantain above 90% loadfactor you have to be the entire day editing routes.
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In europe, from big bases like mine, say frankfurt, madrid, etc, there is NO ROUTE without some competition.
There are plenty. (Oops, I somehow assumed that you were in World 3.)
its not a nonsense, for christ sake. i doubt is too hard for someone who knows programming well to make a greasemonkey script or something.
Agreed.
you have to at least agree with me that for a big airline to mantain above 90% loadfactor you have to be the entire day editing routes.
Almost two weeks ago, I edited all my routes with <75% loads. Took about a total two hours (over the span of the day) since I hadn't done it in weeks. Went from 83% overall to 97%. Since then, my load factor has only dropped about 2%. Sure I've added quite a few routes since then, but the rate at which routes with <75% loads show up is much less.
The one nice thing about the 1200-player limit is that my DOP and loads don't fluctuate as wildly as before. In the future, I honestly think 10-year full worlds could handle upwards of 1500 players without too much heartburn.
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I'm getting a lot better and become a bigger airline
In world 6 I'm ranked in the 100's and in world 8 I'm ranked like 35
It's all about location location location
You will learn the tricks of the trade
I also don't edit anything under 75% because i could do it for a day or two and still not be done
One more thing don't start at the airport that is you favorite but it is small because you wont make any money
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Enough with this nonsense. Just because some people don't know how to or don't have the time to play properly, that's no excuse to accuse others of cheating.
Oh thats just because "Lusitana" is the first airline in world #3 (in terms of rankings) and maintains 97.45% loadfactor[/quote]
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It's all about location location location
I agree, don't ever start at your favourite airport, unless its something big like Atlanta or Chicago...
I started in Auckland in W8, and I've expanded to most of New Zealand already, and I've still only got a DOP of $150,000
So ill need to open another base in either Wellington or Christchurch soon to increase my DOP....
The problem with starting in an airport in another country is that you don't know any of the airports there, and its very hard to find an airport within range of your aircraft. I would love to start in the U.S, but I don't know any of the airports around there except for the major cities like LA, SF, NY etc...
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It's all about location location location
I agree, don't ever start at your favourite airport, unless its something big like Atlanta or Chicago...
I started in Auckland in W8, and I've expanded to most of New Zealand already, and I've still only got a DOP of $150,000
So ill need to open another base in either Wellington or Christchurch soon to increase my DOP....
The problem with starting in an airport in another country is that you don't know any of the airports there, and its very hard to find an airport within range of your aircraft. I would love to start in the U.S, but I don't know any of the airports around there except for the major cities like LA, SF, NY etc...
See im from atlanta so i no all the airports people dont know about that delta fly's to
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all this is possible.
but by the other hand, we yes, have cheaters on the game. its easy to see them; check the 10 top players of your world and you will see 99,5% loadfactors. thats absolutely impossible unless they use some cheating script to update their routes.
you can see that the real players, have 80, 85%: thats the best you can get when you have so many routes. im world#6 number 17 in the rank, and i cant get more then 87% loadfactor, because i would have to stay the entire day updating my routes. if i click right now on routes under 50% loadfactor, i get more then 150 routes do edit. imagine someone twice as bigger then me, with 95% loadfactor...
santa claus i guess.
I guess that's how you make yourself feel better?
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i insist. that this is no excuse. i also have a big airline, i fly to almost every possible place below 2000nm arround my bases, and im saying is impossible to get 99.5% and mantain it. In europe, from big bases like mine, say frankfurt, madrid, etc, there is NO ROUTE without some competition.
its not a nonsense, for christ sake. i doubt is too hard for someone who knows programming well to make a greasemonkey script or something.
Actually, it's damn near impossible for me to do that, since I have no idea how to program.
you have to at least agree with me that for a big airline to mantain above 90% loadfactor you have to be the entire day editing routes.
No, I don't have to agree. But I don't suck at this game.
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there are some reasons why LF drops so dramatically within a short time.....
1. Larger planes mean more seats, more profits (theoretically)......however, if one edit the fare cheaper than your route, your profit and load factor get severe damage because you are using a LARGE plane!!!(eg. 767)
2. over focus on short haul routes......short haul routes are the ones which always have intense competition!!!! so why not fly to somewhere farther but less or even NO competition?? take my airline of W6 as an example.....i fly to more than 1800 airports from atlanta.....
by now.....i just edit my routes about every 3 days (W6)....and my LF still maintain very well.....
my suggestion is that if someone compete with you.......just let them go.....don't change your fleet so often.....
remember you also need research fee in order to edit a route...
only renew your fleet unless you can earn more significantly....and try more long haul.... :D
p.s. i never use cheats....also i have stated many times it is not wise to build a base on my bases :D
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p.s. i never use cheats....also i have stated many times it is not wise to build a base on my bases :D
Please don't build a base in ORD. :twisted:
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p.s. i never use cheats....also i have stated many times it is not wise to build a base on my bases :D
Please don't build a base in ORD. :twisted:
actually i quite regret that i didn't start off in ORD :(
from my experience.....i believe LHR is the best base to start......(though i haven't tried)...and the second is ORD :D
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i insist. that this is no excuse. i also have a big airline, i fly to almost every possible place below 2000nm arround my bases, and im saying is impossible to get 99.5% and mantain it. In europe, from big bases like mine, say frankfurt, madrid, etc, there is NO ROUTE without some competition.
its not a nonsense, for christ sake. i doubt is too hard for someone who knows programming well to make a greasemonkey script or something.
Actually, it's damn near impossible for me to do that, since I have no idea how to program.
you have to at least agree with me that for a big airline to mantain above 90% loadfactor you have to be the entire day editing routes.
No, I don't have to agree. But I don't suck at this game.
?? i dont understand why are you atackin me, i dont even think we are in the same wolrd (im #6) anyway, i also think i dont "suck" because im playing for the first time and im already top 10 on europe
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Some posts here made me reconsider about the high loadfactor. But by the other hand i still think is very weird some airlines mantain 99.5% for such an incredibly long time!
I agree with the big base starting. In this round i started in prage, and my begining bases were all secondary airports such as berlin; as i grew up i started closing this bases and opening bigger bases. That keeped me from growing a lot faster, but at least i realized about this soon. The problem was, i had a 58 F28-4000 fleet by that time (wich were better than the 737 on my secondary bases). But they did not worked well on the new big bases such as madrid - that made me have to wait the incoming fokkers i had bought, to sell them, start buying 737s and reorder my airline. It worked. In one of my bases the 737 proof not to be the best option; i was competing with 767s, A300 and MD-81. Then i started buying 767 along with the 737s;
I also made a huge mistake buying 747 as soon as they were released. My option was for the 747-300 with best engine; a 477 million plane. As they take 200 days to be delivered, i buyed 8 of them in advance, instead of buying only 1 to see if it works. The result: a 380k profit on the first of them, wich was a total disapointment; i had to sell them and the thing is, no one seemed to want it :(
so i was stucked with 8 state-of-the-art-that-doesnt-work planes for sale, and it took days for them to be selled.
anyway now things are goin normal even though i lost a lot of time and money making mistakes!
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In a previous round, I used to have fun seeing what I could drive a competitor down to by adjusting routes I competed on. With one, I actually managed to get him down to under 99%, before he crept back up over 99%.
It's not just about constant load factor - it's also about the speed with which they respond when you adjust a route they are on. You can play all kind of games to investigate it - vary time of day you adjust, play around with aircraft size and frequencies and watch what their responses are and how quickly they respond, no matter what you do.
Its a game within a game :D ;)
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there are some reasons why LF drops so dramatically within a short time.....
1. Larger planes mean more seats, more profits (theoretically)......however, if one edit the fare cheaper than your route, your profit and load factor get severe damage because you are using a LARGE plane!!!(eg. 767)
2. over focus on short haul routes......short haul routes are the ones which always have intense competition!!!! so why not fly to somewhere farther but less or even NO competition?? take my airline of W6 as an example.....i fly to more than 1800 airports from atlanta.....
by now.....i just edit my routes about every 3 days (W6)....and my LF still maintain very well.....
my suggestion is that if someone compete with you.......just let them go.....don't change your fleet so often.....
remember you also need research fee in order to edit a route...
only renew your fleet unless you can earn more significantly....and try more long haul.... :D
p.s. i never use cheats....also i have stated many times it is not wise to build a base on my bases :D
And as you found two rounds ago, it's not wise to build a base on my bases. 8)
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And as you found two rounds ago, it's not wise to build a base on my bases. 8)
lol......my ex-competitor....
actually at that time i was planned to start off by having a base in SEA which i think there maybe less competition....and no matter how i was planned to move out to another mega base in latter stage........
can't imagine that i just try to hv at least one airport with less competition but i made the wrong choice lol
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all this is possible.
but by the other hand, we yes, have cheaters on the game. its easy to see them; check the 10 top players of your world and you will see 99,5% loadfactors. thats absolutely impossible unless they use some cheating script to update their routes.
you can see that the real players, have 80, 85%: thats the best you can get when you have so many routes. im world#6 number 17 in the rank, and i cant get more then 87% loadfactor, because i would have to stay the entire day updating my routes. if i click right now on routes under 50% loadfactor, i get more then 150 routes do edit. imagine someone twice as bigger then me, with 95% loadfactor...
santa claus i guess.
my 979 routes are just fine, i typically only have to change about 25 routes in a whole real world day. (world 3 might i add) Best advise i can give you, is quit whinning.
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i insist. that this is no excuse. i also have a big airline, i fly to almost every possible place below 2000nm arround my bases, and im saying is impossible to get 99.5% and mantain it. In europe, from big bases like mine, say frankfurt, madrid, etc, there is NO ROUTE without some competition.
its not a nonsense, for christ sake. i doubt is too hard for someone who knows programming well to make a greasemonkey script or something.
you have to at least agree with me that for a big airline to mantain above 90% loadfactor you have to be the entire day editing routes.
I've got almost 2,900 routes in North America and maintain a 100% LF, with no 'monkey' business at all going on. My laptop is on in front of me all day long, I take a five minute break from work every hour just to keep up with how my airline is doing. I edit anywhere from zero to five routes per hour. That's it, unless someone decides they're going to make some big attack on one of my bases, then it might be more. 8)