Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: BigApple on May 27, 2008, 01:11:28 pm
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The yields plummet drastically when you put a large plane on a short route with any sort of competition. :shock:
At open market leases at nearly 10 million a month I don't see a wining hand there.
Any enlightenment?
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Put your plane in short hauls. The more short-hauls your plane flies, the more money it will earn.
This also works in other planes.
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They aren't worth leasing (or buying). Period.
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I thought the new airbuses were a great plane?
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I thought the new airbuses were a great plane?
Isnt that in World 4?
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The thread refers to world three. There must be a reason why major airlines are ordering the A300 in the hundreds...
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The thread refers to world three. There must be a reason why major airlines are ordering the A300 in the hundreds...
Correct, and correct.
;)
If anyone in World #3 wants to try one for a couple of days. Send me an in game message and I'll adjust the lease rate to two days.
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They are a very fickle plane to use. There are afew routes they work splended on, but for the most part, they suck.
The A300 was origionaly built to ferry large amounts of passengers between large hubs cost efficiantly. In this game theres no need to worry about that since high density routes are already packed with 500 airlines trying for a piece of the pie.
Another reason these birds where so popular IRL, is that they have cavernous cargo capacity. But of course, cargo isnt a factor in this game yet.
With massive competition, constant feul prices, an invariable number of potential passengers. theres no real need for it.
They are the fastest way to turn a mutualy profitable route, into a very competative slash fest where where nobody earns anything worthwhile.
If you must have a widebody, be my guest, If you decide to drop it on one of my hubs, ive got a fleet of these waiting to compete with you. Im not afraid of useing 2x frequences either. For me a route is effectivly dead once an A300 is on it, so im not afraid to write it off as a loss.
Screwing with people is about all they are good for. I totaly dont recommend this plane.
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when i saw the stats i was like WOOOW!! this is goood!! ordered bloody 13 of them and when i used them...OMG my 737-200advs made more profits!! i was soo disapointed!! im thinking of getttin rid of all the A300s n just continue to buy SE10s!! its tooo big!! (i guess hehe)
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It's normal in AM to be disappointed by the A300. It only makes sense on longhaul, but only the A 300-600/R is good for this task!
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If anyone in World #3 wants to try one for a couple of days. Send me an in game message and I'll adjust the lease rate to two days.
I didn't think this would be so popular.
(Been swamped with messages while trying to organize some routes.)
I have now made a few available with two day leases.
Just take them straight from the public market, please.
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Well, I had to pump up the 2 day lease price to more realistic levels, as I received reports of abusive behavior with the aircraft by a less than scrupulous airline. Unfortunate, but there are people that will take advantage of things, and the game is free and open to the public, etc, etc.
However; for any small airline which can't afford one, or for any sincere airline which wants to try one out - please message me in game - and I'll send you one at a reduced price.
I'll make the time to accommodate you.
:)
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Put your plane in short hauls. The more short-hauls your plane flies, the more money it will earn.
This also works in other planes.
I took up Fleur-de-Lis on his offer (cheers!) for a short-term lease on one A300. It definitely makes more money on short-haul routes than long haul. But, even with the discounted lease it's difficult to earn a profit when 2 or 3 others jump into the same route.
The turn-around time coupled with the staffing and gate costs make it an expensive proposition in W3 as there are just so many other players out there.
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Put your plane in short hauls. The more short-hauls your plane flies, the more money it will earn.
This also works in other planes.
I took up Fleur-de-Lis on his offer (cheers!) for a short-term lease on one A300. It definitely makes more money on short-haul routes than long haul. But, even with the discounted lease it's difficult to earn a profit when 2 or 3 others jump into the same route.
The turn-around time coupled with the staffing and gate costs make it an expensive proposition in W3 as there are just so many other players out there.
They are fickle craft to get going properly.
I made two of these beasts work out of my smallest hub. Just to prove to myself at least, if someone else could cover the lease prices I'm charging. They earn nearly 515 thousand/day.
I got four working very well out of my largest passenger hub. They make good money, but if I would have stuck with the Caravelle 12 on those routes instead, I'd likely be netting more in the end.
But I kind of sensed all this before ordering them. I mainly hold them in reserve, in case something stupid happens on any of my routes.
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The only people that buy it are the bigwig airlines, and the only reason they buy it is just for the heck of it :lol:
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The only people that buy it are the bigwig airlines, and the only reason they buy it is just for the heck of it :lol:
pretty much haha :wink:
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How do you make money from the A300?
-Sell it!
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Exactly, by them in bulk, and sell or lease them to noobs. Thats the only smart way to opperate with them.
Theres only two reasons you should have one of these in your fleet.
A. Your a noob.
B. To screw over or compete with a noob.
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I put the A300 in China and I think they are not bad, the profit is acceptable, just slightly lower than the 732s.
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Exactly, by them in bulk, and sell or lease them to noobs. Thats the only smart way to opperate with them.
Theres only two reasons you should have one of these in your fleet.
A. Your a noob.
B. To screw over or compete with a noob.
Or you just love the plane in RL...
I put the A300 in China and I think they are not bad, the profit is acceptable, just slightly lower than the 732s.
But they cost a lot more- and that makes them unprofitable in comparison!
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You put it on a route, with tickets going for at least €1. Thats not the same as having a profit though... :twisted:
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Ah, the joy and pleasure of terrorizing n00bs :twisted:
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Very funny :roll:
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I put the A300 in China and I think they are not bad, the profit is acceptable, just slightly lower than the 732s.
So you replaced an aicraft that worked ''not bad'' by your own standards, with a more expensive, less fuel effieciant altenative, and as a result the performance is less, albeit marginaly less than your previous aircraft, the lowly 732. Granted you are pushing more passengers, but passengers alone are by no means a measure of success. Anyone looking at daily passengers as an indicator of profitability is looking at the wrong numbers. Looking at Daily profit can also be misleading, as you must also factor in maintenance and fuel costs, which will cost you come the first of the month.
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I will never touch the A300. ;) Less money in a money-losing company. Just purchased another Douglas 7C for my fleet.. :D
Sanosuke!
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I will never touch the A300. ;) Less money in a money-losing company. Just purchased another Douglas 7C for my fleet.. :D
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That the same DC-7C which just undercut my A300 by a $1?
Very efficient aircraft to be able to do that.
;)
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I Purchased Around 10 Of These Aircraft & Consequently Have Moved Up Down One Space Into 15th Ranking In Europe. They Vary Rareley Make A Profit As They Have So Many Seats The Fares Are To Cheap To Cover The Expense OF StaffEtc. Larger/Mid Airlines I Would Deffinitley Reccomend Swopping Older Smaller Aircraft Of Your Least Profitable Routes For Boeing 737-200ADV. Or Carvelle 12S They Are Much More Profitable And More Worthwhile As Well As Being Very Cheap ! Happy Moguling :)
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I Purchased Around 10 Of These Aircraft & Consequently Have Moved Up Down One Space Into 15th Ranking In Europe. They Vary Rareley Make A Profit As They Have So Many Seats The Fares Are To Cheap To Cover The Expense OF StaffEtc. Larger/Mid Airlines I Would Deffinitley Reccomend Swopping Older Smaller Aircraft Of Your Least Profitable Routes For Boeing 737-200ADV. Or Carvelle 12S They Are Much More Profitable And More Worthwhile As Well As Being Very Cheap ! Happy Moguling :)
- Contact Me - Mahoney_ben@hotmail.co.uk
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Thats a lesson we all have to learn. the A300 looks great on paper, but works terrible in this games mathematics. BTW your free to start MAN-CAI services, but please use a sensible plane with sensible frequencys.
Ill start selling mine off sooner or later, thankfully I havent been forced to use most of them yet.
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I Purchased Around 10 Of These Aircraft & Consequently Have Moved Up Down One Space Into 15th Ranking In Europe. They Vary Rareley Make A Profit As They Have So Many Seats The Fares Are To Cheap To Cover The Expense OF StaffEtc. Larger/Mid Airlines I Would Deffinitley Reccomend Swopping Older Smaller Aircraft Of Your Least Profitable Routes For Boeing 737-200ADV. Or Carvelle 12S They Are Much More Profitable And More Worthwhile As Well As Being Very Cheap ! Happy Moguling :)
- Contact Me - Mahoney_ben@hotmail.co.uk
Mahoneyaviation@hotmail.co.uk :!:
Thats a lesson we all have to learn. the A300 looks great on paper, but works terrible in this games mathematics. For a case in point, look at buisy routes in places like w 4 or 6, then look at w3s before the A300. Narrowbodies are the way to go. BTW your free to start MAN-CAI services, but please use a sensible plane with sensible frequencys. TU-154s or 727ADVs work wonders. There is no need for any larger aircraft within thier range bracket.
Ill start selling mine off sooner or later, thankfully I havent been forced to use most of them yet.
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I gotta say, I'm happy with the few that I have, but they are pretty mission specific, and the last few that I bought were specifically to compete with others. Right now I have one just sitting in the hangar.
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In fact, I wanna ask 1 question.
Why would a larger aircraft ended up in VERY low price that it is non-profitable compared to smaller a/cs?
It should be more expensive or similiar price compared to smaller planes.
If it is the way how the real world's passengers would choose, why most of those large airlines are operating 747s or even A380s which will be definetly less profit making than a 777 or 737 in AM.
The turning time should be varied, too.
On short routes, refueling or empting toilets rarely happen on short routes in real worlds.
I wonder how the staffs calculate those turning times.
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The only reason why one would buy an A300 is for those routes with lots of competition :P
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If a route has lots of competition, it is probably not worth flying it. I find that (based in LHR) almost always, the smaller routes are more profitable than the bigger ones anyway. You would be better off buying 2-3 smaller planes (than A300) and 3-4 times as many small routes. You would make heaps more money.
The big problem with the A300, is that big routes have too much competition for them to be worth flying and small routes are too small to fly them without ruining the route and making less money than you would otherwise (I will note that I infact have 7 A300s, mainly operating on the aforementioned unprofitable routes from LHR and FRA, making less money than the smaller planes I have (about 200k each daily), so I am probably not exactly following my own advice...).
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If a route has lots of competition, it is probably not worth flying it. I find that (based in LHR) almost always, the smaller routes are more profitable than the bigger ones anyway. You would be better off buying 2-3 smaller planes (than A300) and 3-4 times as many small routes. You would make heaps more money.
The big problem with the A300, is that big routes have too much competition for them to be worth flying and small routes are too small to fly them without ruining the route and making less money than you would otherwise (I will note that I infact have 7 A300s, mainly operating on the aforementioned unprofitable routes from LHR and FRA, making less money than the smaller planes I have (about 200k each daily), so I am probably not exactly following my own advice...).
You are not the only one who find out larger planes are less money-making than smaller planes.....
I have operated about 8 747 and 20 DC-8/10s before and their DOP are devastating.... :cry:
Thats the reason why I asked the question above
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There are a few routes where I have my DC-8-63 on a very short route. Most notable is the 21 nm Detroit-Windsor run, with me flying my DC-8-63 and another very large airline flying his A300 :lol:
The only reason I myself buy A300's is to be able to compete with those guys who buy them. :D
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The only reason I myself buy A300's is to be able to compete with those guys who buy them. :D
It's an arms race! :twisted:
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The only reason I myself buy A300's is to be able to compete with those guys who buy them. :D
It's an arms race! :twisted:
741 SR! :twisted:
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The only reason I myself buy A300's is to be able to compete with those guys who buy them. :D
It's an arms race! :twisted:
hehe, They are route destroying nuclear missles.
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The only reason I myself buy A300's is to be able to compete with those guys who buy them. :D
It's an arms race! :twisted:
hehe, They are route destroying nuclear missles.
Not always. They are warranted in certain cases....i.e. JFK-LAX. I personally like the A300-600, but I'd like a little more range....another 800 miles range and it would be perfect. Overall, an excellent mid-range aircraft.
For the record, I have 31 of these nuclear missiles and intend to order more.
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In fact, I wanna ask 1 question.
Why would a larger aircraft ended up in VERY low price that it is non-profitable compared to smaller a/cs?
It should be more expensive or similiar price compared to smaller planes.
If it is the way how the real world's passengers would choose, why most of those large airlines are operating 747s or even A380s which will be definetly less profit making than a 777 or 737 in AM.
The turning time should be varied, too.
On short routes, refueling or empting toilets rarely happen on short routes in real worlds.
I wonder how the staffs calculate those turning times.
There are several factors: fuel used (larger ac will burn more fuel due to weight), crew (more crew members in a larger ac), maintenance, etc. A larger ac may have more seats, but you are just adding capacity. More seats (or anything else) means lower prices. Simple economics.