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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: CHR on April 26, 2008, 04:32:18 pm
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My question is, are supersonic planes worth it (for intercontinental routes). Considering they can do many more flights per day, but have higher costs. Also, which one is best, despite most people buying Concordes, the Tu-144D seems better to me.
Concorde (BAC)
Seats: 144, Speed: 1450, Range: 4439, Fuel: 6177 ($339m)
Tu-144 (Tupolev)
Tu-144: Seats: 126, Speed: 1240, Range: 1553, Fuel: 4922 ($190m)
Tu-144D: Seats: 156, Speed: 1320, Range: 4349, Fuel: 5875($328m)
Tu-144S: Seats: 140. Speed: 1347, Range: 4025, Fuel: 5650 ($299m)
Note: all of these planes take 96 days to build.
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they all suck. Concorde not as much as the others, but they kill airlines
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Don't bother.
Buy some good capacity long range (B747-200, L1011-500 or B747SP is recommended) conventional jets.
More economical and profitable.
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They don't earn money. :lol:
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I like concorde...they're cool :D
They do seem to make money when you lease them out. I'm breaking even on one and making a little profit on the other (I have 2, a third coming in 1 day).
Usually concordes are best for round the world runs rather than going back and forth across the pond.
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I think in the next few days a will buy a Tu-144D and a Concorde. :D
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I only hope that you'll do something cool with it, like go around the world, instead of jumping the pond back and forth and back and forth and back and forth....well you get the idea.
One of my concordes starts its day in San Diego, going to Boston, London, Paris, Dubai, Singapore, Sydney, Manila, HK, then Tokyo. Then I couldn't figure out how to get across the pacific back to San Diego (so it just backtracks the second day) :(
I have a lot more fun with the around the world thing and plus it actually makes more money.
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I am currently running 9 of them (+7 on order) making me the biggest Concorde operator in World #4 :) (I know it cost a lot to BUY and to RUN them - I just use them for fun :wink: )
I let them fly from my North American hubs to Hawaii, North & Central America as well as to some European cities.
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I use my Tu-144 on short/medium haul instead. quite profitable, as it can make nearly twice as many turns a day as a conventional plane. (Heathrow-Lipetsk, for example, makes a bundle)
but I guess, I would be better off with 3 MD-82 instead.
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don't make money?
in the last round (pre-MW)
my concorde fleet profit averaged at just over 700K
i'd call that profit.
and plus, because of its high-speed, it allowed me to connect cities across the atlantic as though i was connecting cities across europe.
edit: did i mention i was running out of Glasgow Prestwick? not exactly a big airport.
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I am currently running 9 of them (+7 on order) making me the biggest Concorde operator in World #4 :) (I know it cost a lot to BUY and to RUN them - I just use them for fun :wink: )
I let them fly from my North American hubs to Hawaii, North & Central America as well as to some European cities.
They make money?? :shock: *faints* You made history!
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I'm making a tiny bit of profit off of them....currently averaging about 840k. But mostly I run them for fun. Once I have enough money to replace their routes with bigger planes, I'm gonna do round the world trips.
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Ah. That reminds me of The Seagull over Asia.. :lol:
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Hmm... you know, I guess you're lucky to be making some kind of profit from your Concorde flights, even if it is only a few bucks, probably literally. I think after seeing the posts on here, and from the valuable advice from Lusitana, I think I might just 86 my BGA Direct proposal and go with Convair 990s and other aircraft for my international expansion. I think the L-1011 might be the biggest aircraft I order. I might wait for the -500. It has almost the range of the 747s, but I think it costs less and probably will make just as much as a 747. I have ordered them in the past, but I really wasn't satisfied with them. They cost probably 2x as much as an L1011 to operate and maintain. So for me, there really is not much of a point...
Will the L1011-500 even be available during the 1970s, or won't that come out until... well... not in this world?
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Again, the concorde is just a toy that I like to play around with. It's not really a profit center. My profit centers are mostly domestic and select international routes...:D
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Again, the concorde is just a toy that I like to play around with. It's not really a profit center. My profit centers are mostly domestic and select international routes...:D
Of course. My most profitable plane: a 727-200 based at PIT. My most profitable route: PIT-LHR on a TU 114D...
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It's my "flagship" although it doesn't make me any money. :)
I like to say I run a special version of concorde that involves a fuselage stretch and a slightly wider fuselage with "144 business class" seats.
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Speaking of supersonic planes, where's the baggage compartment on board the concorde? In the tail section?
That's the only place that I could think of that could hold bags...with such a thin fuselage it can't be stored under the passenger cabin...
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Don't bother.
Buy some good capacity long range (B747-200, L1011-500 or B747SP is recommended) conventional jets.
More economical and profitable.
Dude, they AIN'T SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY.
Mine generates quite some revenue, but it came with a pricetag that could have bought me 2 A306R's. It is running JFK-FRA-DBX-SIN-SYD (I'm still waiting for the Alliance rights to continue to AKL).
I've also got a 744 on order although I don't think it'll make any profit, but it's just a plane I can't miss.
Right now I'm saving money to be a launch customer for the A333 and A342 :D
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I have 3 and have one brokered. All 4 will be going around the world. Like actually around the world. JFK to JFK kind of thing....
And to appease the save the planet brigade, it runs on hydrogen fuel which has 4 times the energy of jet fuel. Not to mention that hydrogen fuel is lighter...:D
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I have 3 and have one brokered. All 4 will be going around the world. Like actually around the world. JFK to JFK kind of thing....
And to appease the save the planet brigade, it runs on hydrogen fuel which has 4 times the energy of jet fuel. Not to mention that hydrogen fuel is lighter...:D
Yeah, and it makes for a big party to smoke during refueling :twisted:
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You're not supposed to smoke when you refuel with standard jet fuel either.
In fact my company policy dictates that anyone who's working within 750 feet of an airplane at any time is NEVER allowed to smoke at work or carry a lighter with them at any time. Anyone who's caught smoking is immediately fired.
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You're not supposed to smoke when you refuel with standard jet fuel either.
In fact my company policy dictates that anyone who's working within 750 feet of an airplane at any time is NEVER allowed to smoke at work or carry a lighter with them at any time. Anyone who's caught smoking is immediately fired.
Oh, that's no prob at my company-my Concorde runs on Diesel. :P It's also allowed to smoke in flight because we showed it to those non-smoker campaigns.
We use the same way of dividing the cabin between smokers/nonsmokers as Lufthansa did during the 70s: You may smoke in the left half of the plane but never in the right half of the plane :lol:
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Speaking of supersonic planes, where's the baggage compartment on board the concorde? In the tail section?
That's the only place that I could think of that could hold bags...with such a thin fuselage it can't be stored under the passenger cabin...
Exactly there, between the rear galley and the tail fuel trim tank. There's a small cargo door on the starboard side, plus an access door from the galley (which had to be locked during flights due to the cargo hold being pressurized but unheated)
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I'd say the Tu-144D is the best. (I'm only saying that because I'm from Russia)
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I'd say the Tu-144D is the best. (I'm only saying that because I'm from Russia)
And it's got a D (for Diesel :P ), but I still prefer the Concorde because of its slightly longer range.