Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: db07mufan on April 14, 2008, 02:34:29 am
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Hello everyone,
My airline is based in Asia, i am still thinking whether or not to go into the jet age, i have 2 DHC6-300 2 An2ps and one pilatus porter, however i will need some more plans for my expansion to medium-haul routes, around 2000nm range.
Any recommendation of a good plane? preferbly jets, the price would be around the 10-20mil range. Is it better to go for volume, slow speed or low volume, fast speed.
My dop is around 570k and i dont mind waiting for the cash to get in. Meanwhile the short routes are all congested so that is why i thought of going medium-haul as there are less competition there
If you were me what planes would you choose?
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i think theavaition traders are a big steal(price wise) so look into those!
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thanks for the quick response, they do look good!!
But i'm worried about the speed, as i'm looking to go for 2000 ranged routes i'm quite worried. Do you use them??
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For that kind of range I'd personally buy Convair 580's. I'm currently building my fleet on 580s and Casa C207's and I'm currently first on World 1 by a long shot(3mil DOP, closest rival has just broken 1mil)
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I am buying boatloads of smaller aircraft and then will upgrade to larger aircraft. Eventually I will buy jet aircraft, but not for a while yet...
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Hello everyone,
My airline is based in Asia, i am still thinking whether or not to go into the jet age, i have 2 DHC6-300 2 An2ps and one pilatus porter, however i will need some more plans for my expansion to medium-haul routes, around 2000nm range.
Any recommendation of a good plane? preferbly jets, the price would be around the 10-20mil range. Is it better to go for volume, slow speed or low volume, fast speed.
My dop is around 570k and i dont mind waiting for the cash to get in. Meanwhile the short routes are all congested so that is why i thought of going medium-haul as there are less competition there
If you were me what planes would you choose?
Hey,
You're a small airline with 5 small planes.
It will take you a while at that rate to save the cash for decent jets. In the meanwhile, the larger airlines are buying jets everyday.
If the routes are already as congested as you say they are, the bigger airlines will have congested the longer range routes by the time you can get your jets. And once you get them, you'll be disappointed in how much money they bring in, compared to efficient small propellers on short routes. Even at 400 mph, you can only do two (or maybe two and a half) routes a day, at the range your wanting to go.
Unless you want to relocate your home base; my recommendation would be to stay small, as you won't be able to compete with the larger airlines.
What's your airline name, and where are you based in Asia? I'm in Asia World #3 myself, I'll be able to give you an idea where to go.
Good luck.
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Hello there, thanks for the concern!
I'm MASWings, ID11494. Just started last Friday actually, new to the game. Based in KUL
I've got 10 planes now actually 2 DHC6-300, 7 AN-2p, and 1 Pilatus, i own 6 of them and the other 4 is leased.. Generating a healthy DOP at least to me of 890k.
My plan now is perhaps to go for the convair, expand to core routes such as CGK, BKK, HKG, MNL. Competiton isnt that great in those routes compared to what i have now.
How should i go?
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Hello there, thanks for the concern!
I'm MASWings, ID11494. Just started last Friday actually, new to the game. Based in KUL
I've got 10 planes now actually 2 DHC6-300, 7 AN-2p, and 1 Pilatus, i own 6 of them and the other 4 is leased.. Generating a healthy DOP at least to me of 890k.
My plan now is perhaps to go for the convair, expand to core routes such as CGK, BKK, HKG, MNL. Competiton isnt that great in those routes compared to what i have now.
How should i go?
hello, my competitor :lol:
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With all due respect your emergence have hit my airline hard... need to strap a lot of routes!! Have mercy!!!!
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With all due respect your emergence have hit my airline hard... need to strap a lot of routes!! Have mercy!!!!
Your request has been rejected. (unless if bribed with a/c's :lol: )
Might go abit softer on u
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Well, I just took a look at your airline...
You're the top airline in your base, and you've already made another base.
I was under the impression that you were a small upstart, located in one of the major cities.
I don't see what you mean by all the routes are already congested. It's the people that are smaller than you that should be complaining. If you want to see congested, try taking a look at the major cities in the world. If you want to stay local, then look at Hong Kong, for congestion - it's worse than Tokyo. Just be glad a major airline hasn't decided to make your home one of his bases (yet). ;)
Any ways, looks like you're better off than I had thought. Just keep branching out when possible. It's easy to make money in this game. You'll be up there soon enough.
Concerning jets; I made an inventory of what mine are earning, compared to my propellers...
Answer: Not much.
And my jets are on average of 96% capacity to boot.
Take it from me, I wouldn't be in a rush to get them. Besides, I just made a route to your base with one.
Sorry, had an extra 6 hours to burn, and your city had the most passengers within range.
Keep asking questions though, good way to learn.
:)
Good Luck.
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Hello there,
Thanks for the reply fleur! yeah i saw your HKG-KUL route, damnn. I tought i wanted to take up that one. I just opened a base and am not entirely satisfied with it. Is there any criterias i should take a look at when opening a base? The passenger count , is it important?
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The passenger count , is it important?
It isn't that important. It is just that the higher the pax count is, the higher the demand.
Look for pax, location, competition. Pax is the least important of those 3, but still needs to be considered.
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I just bought my first jet, a Fokker F28-1000. 8)
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I suggest the Tupolev 124. I just ordered 8 and they are an EXCELLENT jet aircraft. They are only around 20mil. You may also want to look into the SE 10B which is 30 mil but double the capacity
I also would like to add that one of my TU-124s covered all routes flown by 2 N262s and an F27-200
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I am about to have 2 Fokker F28-1000s, and 2 737-100s. I have one of each now in service, and collectively they make in excess of 1,000,000 Euros, almost 1.1 million... :)
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My jets make me about a half million euros a day (doing longhauls) with some exceptional ones making 750k+. We'll see what my concorde makes when it comes in on saturday morning.
SE210B Caravelle 12s (I'm not sure if they're around in your world or not) are pretty good. BAC111 series is right up your alley too. They have about 2250nm range, 90-120 seats, pretty fast, around 35-47 million euros. Again, I'm in world 6 so I'm not sure if they're around in your world.
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My jets make me about a half million euros a day (doing longhauls) with some exceptional ones making 750k+. We'll see what my concorde makes when it comes in on saturday morning.
SE210B Caravelle 12s (I'm not sure if they're around in your world or not) are pretty good. BAC111 series is right up your alley too. They have about 2250nm range, 90-120 seats, pretty fast, around 35-47 million euros. Again, I'm in world 6 so I'm not sure if they're around in your world.
Yeah, those planes are in my world, and I know they have to be pretty good because they're among the most popular planes! I intend to use Fokker F28s, 731, 732, 727, 747, and L-1011 equipment, or maybe just 707s and the SE210B Caravelles for longhaul instead of the jumbo jets, concerning the poor chances of making any considerable profit with a big aircraft on a longhaul route.
I have a 731 making 728,392 and a F28-1000 making 366,000+...
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I like the Caravelle 12s (NOT the 10B, not enough range) but they're frankly not fast enough for my taste. I mean, when you're flying passengers 2500 miles, even 50 knots makes a huge difference. So I decided I'm going with the fastest planes I can find. When you do longhauls, speed and range more than anything are paramount.
So my conclusion is, given the same number of seats (or comparable) and the same range, spend the extra 3 million or whatever and go wit that plane that goes 50kts faster. That 50kts, while insignificant, is difference between 4 and 5 longhauls.
Jumbos frankly suck. They take too long to build and they have way too many seats for my taste. I think the biggest plane I'm going with is the A300, and at 336 seats, even that's a little too big. For the price of a jumbo, I can get a concorde and another plane in less than half the time. And with the concorde comes a certain prestige factor, a 747-200, not so much. 707's are excellent for those ultra-longhauls I think but the last of them go out of production in 1983 unfortunately. So now I have to find a replacement or get a jumbo.
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I like the Caravelle 12s (NOT the 10B, not enough range) but they're frankly not fast enough for my taste. I mean, when you're flying passengers 2500 miles, even 50 knots makes a huge difference. So I decided I'm going with the fastest planes I can find. When you do longhauls, speed and range more than anything are paramount.
So my conclusion is, given the same number of seats (or comparable) and the same range, spend the extra 3 million or whatever and go wit that plane that goes 50kts faster. That 50kts, while insignificant, is difference between 4 and 5 longhauls.
Jumbos frankly suck. They take too long to build and they have way too many seats for my taste. I think the biggest plane I'm going with is the A300, and at 336 seats, even that's a little too big. For the price of a jumbo, I can get a concorde and another plane in less than half the time. And with the concorde comes a certain prestige factor, a 747-200, not so much. 707's are excellent for those ultra-longhauls I think but the last of them go out of production in 1983 unfortunately. So now I have to find a replacement or get a jumbo.
Hmm... Interesting. You know, in the 1990s and 2000s, I think the only large aircraft that did make any sense was the 777. I think I will decide and go against the 747, DC10, and L1011. I might just look into other aircraft, like you say, have the range and are fast. The Concorde never entered my mind, but it did now. I should be able to fly at least 3 or 4 flights on one of those, charge a very high fare, make a good profit (hopefully)...
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I figured at 4439nm range, concorde can do most any routes (out of North America anyway) with a stopover somewhere. I usually go with 2x ~4200 for those ultra long hauls like LAX-BNE or something like that. Besides, even WITH a stopover at HNL and NRT (or AKL and BNE) passengers would get to places like SIN faster on concorde than in a slower subsonic plane going nonstop.
I plan on getting a fleet of those, since, well, if I run out of bizarre routings, I know how much the leases go for (last round it was 50 million).
How was the A330/A340 in those later rounds? I don't know, but I just prefer french planes for some reason.
Of course, my strategy assumed you can afford to buy something other than the cheapest plane with the necessary range. If you can't then all this goes out the window. I actually saved up for 2+ days (real time) to pick up concorde #1. Looks like I'll save for another 2 days to pick up concorde #2.
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I am considering getting a fleet of those myself. About the A330s and A340s, I heard they were pretty good. I used the 772s and 773s, and those worked wonders for me. They carried 400-500 people, were very fast, and burned a relatively small amount of fuel, like under 1000, whatever the units for fuel burn are...
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Perhaps gallons? It can't be tons because there's no way a concorde burns 6177 tons of fuel per hour. Even a 747 can do a 4 hour flight on 55 tons, so I'm guessing its either dollars (euros, whatever) or gallons or kilograms. (saving up for concorde #2 already....I'm clearly out of my mind)
As a tangent, concorde #1's ID was 4590. The minute I saw that I started hearing in my head "Air France quarante-cinq quatre-vingt dix, nous recevez-vous?"
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ya i got alot of them
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Perhaps gallons? It can't be tons because there's no way a concorde burns 6177 tons of fuel per hour. Even a 747 can do a 4 hour flight on 55 tons, so I'm guessing its either dollars (euros, whatever) or gallons or kilograms. (saving up for concorde #2 already....I'm clearly out of my mind)
As a tangent, concorde #1's ID was 4590. The minute I saw that I started hearing in my head "Air France quarante-cinq quatre-vingt dix, nous recevez-vous?"
I would think that myself. I just bought another Fokker F28 and launched routes all over the place (it now makes well over $300k. Pretty soon, I'll order another Boeing 731 and start service to DEN, COS, MIA, and a few other places. I might even tap into the Bahamas or the Caribbean. I am almost 2 million away (DOP wise) from opening my second base. 8)
I think I will buy a slew of Concordes and other fast aircraft to start transatlantic routes, and I think I am retating that. I started looking at the 707s and DC8s, 520-540 kts. They are some of the fastest sub-sonic jets on here, and you don't have to wait as long for them to be assembled or pay out the nose for them. $160m - $170m isn't too terribly bad. That's about what the 767s cost in previous rounds...
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I'm getting a small fleet of concordes (5-10) and then getting 707s and such as well. But then the 707-320 (which was supposed to go to Australia) is going out of production this year, so I better pick those up fast. I might pick up some Airbuses too. The VC10 looks good too but it's too slow for my taste.
My other option once the 707-320 goes out of production is a stopover flight to Australia or the 747-200 which is huge and I have to pay out the nose for them. For that price I'd rather have the concorde. Sigh...time to go plane shopping again.
I figured the math pretty much evens out...since the concorde can handle about 3 times the flights that a 707 or something can handle, and a 707 costs half the cost of the concorde I'm ahead with the concorde, even though I'm out 340 million.
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You know, I actually realized something myself. The Concorde isn't available in my world yet. It's only 1970 in W3. When do they officially come out, 1975 or so? I thought they came out a little earlier than that. I looked up other aircraft myself. I might even go with a Convair 990. 131 seats, but 528 kts and 5000 nm... Those could be used on low density routes...
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1976 for concorde, Tu-144 might be earlier. Just bought concorde #2. Concorde #1 comes in in like 14 days or so.
Anyway I'm gonna pick up some 707-320Bs before they go out of production. Otherwise, I have to wait until 2003 when the A340-500 comes out for an ultra long range plane (that doesn't cost 400 million and take 10 months to build).
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Although since I'm bored of having to change prices all day, I might move on to brokering by the end of the game year (or quit altogether).
I frankly ignore fuel cost in my decision because they're negligible. Speed and range are the #1 factors.
Seems the A340-500/600 series fly at 548kts (according to airliners.net) vs. the 777's 490kts.
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Although since I'm bored of having to change prices all day, I might move on to brokering by the end of the game year (or quit altogether).
I frankly ignore fuel cost in my decision because they're negligible. Speed and range are the #1 factors.
Seems the A340-500/600 series fly at 548kts (according to airliners.net) vs. the 777's 490kts.
Are you an a.net member?
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Although since I'm bored of having to change prices all day, I might move on to brokering by the end of the game year (or quit altogether).
I frankly ignore fuel cost in my decision because they're negligible. Speed and range are the #1 factors.
Seems the A340-500/600 series fly at 548kts (according to airliners.net) vs. the 777's 490kts.
Are you an a.net member?
Well, no, but I can get all the info I need without being a member. The aircraft data section is public. :)
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Although since I'm bored of having to change prices all day, I might move on to brokering by the end of the game year (or quit altogether).
I frankly ignore fuel cost in my decision because they're negligible. Speed and range are the #1 factors.
Seems the A340-500/600 series fly at 548kts (according to airliners.net) vs. the 777's 490kts.
Are you an a.net member?
Well, no, but I can get all the info I need without being a member. The aircraft data section is public. :)
Yeah, I know that getting the info is public. I was just wondering because almost everyone I know on here is a member of A.net, or at least they used to be members of this sim and airlineempires anyway. I found out about these sims from fellow a.net members. I found out about airline empires first, and another friend told me about this sim.
haha -- I even got mad the one round on airline empires. I had my base at PHX and was trying to expand when Aer Solas came in and rand me out of town! After that I went into BWI and tried something, but it just got too competitive. Then someone told me that the CEO of Aer Solas launched another airline sim site and that it was supposed to be less competitive and more realistic (Thanks, StephenM!). I can't believe I've been playing this for little more than a year!
I still learn as I go along. Each era/round is different from the previous. Airplanes and strategies are different...
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Anyway yeah if I do start a private world, would you like to join? I'm just gathering up some people (or trying) that just want to have fun and play in a civil manner instead of steamrolling over everyone in sight (lol). STEAMROLLERS NOT WELCOME :roll: Mainly the people on this board that want to roleplay.
I'm hoping that with private worlds the few people that steamroll over everyone in sight will go off in their own little world and steamroll over each other and we'll be left in peace.