Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Steeler83 on March 19, 2008, 02:24:45 pm
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Ok, someone is definitely out to run me off the face of the earth, and I will NOT succumb to this kind of play. What this airline is doing to me is downright sinful, and I wish to do everything I can to fight back. Yes, I understand I made some foolish decisions, but please someone out there please advise me of what to do here. I am at the end of my rope and I do not want to quit this game. This will only be a victory for him and I do not want him to be victorious. He came after me at one hub, which I could take. But then he came after me at another which is, to me, below the belt.
I have been dropping fares into the dirt, which I know is a very silly thing to do. This is why I need help...
I want to get even. Please help me! What aircraft should I purchase, etc...?
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The ATR-42-320.. I have some at 13m :lol:
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*sigh* another E1 flights out of the dozens each week. Nothing that we can do about it due to the fact that its legal and airlines in reality actually do those flights...
anyway, I'm guessing that it's E1 flights
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It's not necessarily E1 flights. Many are some 30-40 Euros below mine...
As far as those ATRs are concerned, I think I will consider those at the beginning of the month. I don't want to secure any new aircraft at the moment. I still want to have cash at the end/start of the month...
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1 767-200ER = 5 Caravelle Super 10Bs = 7 Fokker F28 1000s
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1 767-200ER = 5 Caravelle Super 10Bs = 7 Fokker F28 1000s
Do you suggest I use some significantly larger aircraft to compete with this airline on some domestic routes?
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I think he means the opposite, but you can never be too sure.
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I think he means the opposite, but you can never be too sure.
Hmm, come to think of it, I think he does mean the opposite, which I was about to do anyway. I still have 3 more F28s on order. My 767s will be used solely for international/transatlantic flights. The way that was worded had me scratching my head for a second...
I still have my shorts with me. Maybe I should bring some back from retirement and use them. I still want to leave them for other fellow alliance members tho. I am keeping my BAE 146 for that purpose as well.
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*sigh* another E1 flights out of the dozens each week. Nothing that we can do about it due to the fact that its legal and airlines in reality actually do those flights...
anyway, I'm guessing that it's E1 flights
Nope, not E1 flights at all. 8)
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Ok, someone is definitely out to run me off the face of the earth, and I will NOT succumb to this kind of play. What this airline is doing to me is downright sinful, and I wish to do everything I can to fight back. Yes, I understand I made some foolish decisions, but please someone out there please advise me of what to do here. I am at the end of my rope and I do not want to quit this game. This will only be a victory for him and I do not want him to be victorious. He came after me at one hub, which I could take. But then he came after me at another which is, to me, below the belt.
I have been dropping fares into the dirt, which I know is a very silly thing to do. This is why I need help...
I want to get even. Please help me! What aircraft should I purchase, etc...?
This kind of play? What kind of play? Nasty play would have been if I had come in and put everything at one Euro, or had done what you like to do, which is run 2x, 3x and 4x frequencies on a route, or run a couple of planes on the same route, or if I had targeted only the routes where you had flights. I didn't do any of that. Every single route has a competitive fare and there is not a single one of them where I attempted to run you out of the route, and I have not attempted to run you out of your hub(s). My attempt has been to find equilibrium on the fares on each route. Isn't that supposed to be how you play the game? I invite everyone's comments on this. And as far as it being an 'attack' on YOUR hub, well, ummm, last round my percentage in Pit was 65% plus, so I'm not sure how that makes this YOUR hub. Please explain that to me as well. Seems to me that YOU are the one that is playing vindictively and 'wants to get even.' And YOU are the one trying to rally everyone against ME, when I haven't done anything wrong. Again, I invite comment. 8)
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Dooskie is just a really tough player actually. Trust me. :)
We went at it on a few routes last round and he isn't vindictive, just brutal.
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Dooskie is just a really tough player actually. Trust me. :)
We went at it on a few routes last round and he isn't vindictive, just brutal.
Brutal....hmmmm. Relentless maybe? I was on vacation during the last round and after having one of the toughest personal years of my life just needed a break from everything. AM was a great way to take my mind off of things. Plus up here in the 'frozen tundra,' there isn't much else to do during the winter when it's -5* outside every stinking day. lol 8)
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It's not necessarily E1 flights. Many are some 30-40 Euros below mine...
As far as those ATRs are concerned, I think I will consider those at the beginning of the month. I don't want to secure any new aircraft at the moment. I still want to have cash at the end/start of the month...
Not true. Most were 5E below yours, which is the suggested way to play this game. I dropped some to 10E below yours when you came back to undercut me by a Euro, again a suggested way to play this game. I'd be happy to provide you with the threads if you like. Now as for dropping fares 30-40 Euro's, it seems that you are the one to have been doing this in retaliation. And I will correct myself here....if I put a 732a on a route where you have a smaller plane, yeah, to find equilibrium the price is probably going to be 30-40 Euro below yours, or maybe even more. But on similar sized planes I have not done this to you at all. This is NOT something that you are able to say however, as your retaliation attempts have been to put your fares at 50Euro where mine are 190Euro. Again, I invite comment from anyone who might be interested. And if you think that I am being a 'dirty' player, please explain that to me as well. 8)
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1 767-200ER = 5 Caravelle Super 10Bs = 7 Fokker F28 1000s
Do you suggest I use some significantly larger aircraft to compete with this airline on some domestic routes?
You may have to put your int'l expansion on hold and put larger/faster planes than ATR's on the routes to compete. That's all I'm saying.
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This kind of play? What kind of play? Nasty play would have been if I had come in and put everything at one Euro, or had done what you like to do, which is run 2x, 3x and 4x frequencies on a route, or run a couple of planes on the same route, or if I had targeted only the routes where you had flights. I didn't do any of that. Every single route has a competitive fare and there is not a single one of them where I attempted to run you out of the route, and I have not attempted to run you out of your hub(s). My attempt has been to find equilibrium on the fares on each route. Isn't that supposed to be how you play the game? I invite everyone's comments on this. And as far as it being an 'attack' on YOUR hub, well, ummm, last round my percentage in Pit was 65% plus, so I'm not sure how that makes this YOUR hub. Please explain that to me as well. Seems to me that YOU are the one that is playing vindictively and 'wants to get even.' And YOU are the one trying to rally everyone against ME, when I haven't done anything wrong. Again, I invite comment. 8)
You want a comment? Here is mine: Every player can do what he wants to as long as he cares for the game rules. I have to say that I followed a player to some of his hubs, too. But I had those last round when he was not there and in Central America are not many airports that are worth to fly from. Feels so good to be No.1 here with about 30 aircrafts on order which will be placed on new routes soon 8)
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This kind of play? What kind of play? Nasty play would have been if I had come in and put everything at one Euro, or had done what you like to do, which is run 2x, 3x and 4x frequencies on a route, or run a couple of planes on the same route, or if I had targeted only the routes where you had flights. I didn't do any of that. Every single route has a competitive fare and there is not a single one of them where I attempted to run you out of the route, and I have not attempted to run you out of your hub(s). My attempt has been to find equilibrium on the fares on each route. Isn't that supposed to be how you play the game? I invite everyone's comments on this. And as far as it being an 'attack' on YOUR hub, well, ummm, last round my percentage in Pit was 65% plus, so I'm not sure how that makes this YOUR hub. Please explain that to me as well. Seems to me that YOU are the one that is playing vindictively and 'wants to get even.' And YOU are the one trying to rally everyone against ME, when I haven't done anything wrong. Again, I invite comment. 8)
You want a comment? Here is mine: Every player can do what he wants to as long as he cares for the game rules. I have to say that I followed a player to some of his hubs, too. But I had those last round when he was not there and in Central America are not many airports that are worth to fly from. Feels so good to be No.1 here with about 30 aircrafts on order which will be placed on new routes soon 8)
To my knowledge I have broken no rules, either those set by AM or the 'unwritten' rules of the game. If I have, please point them out so that #1, I can make sure that I don't do it again, because this is supposed to be a fun, competitive game and I wouldn't want to play unfairly, and #2, I will apologize here in the forum in front of everyone if I have done anything against the rules. If I HAVE broken any rules, I plead ignorance. 8)
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For the record, ignorance is not going to get anyone out of any violations of the official game rules. 8)
As for the issue in discussion here.... the only comment I have is keep cool. Ice yourself down if needed before posting, or this would be unpleasant for any of us.
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Ok, someone is definitely out to run me off the face of the earth, and I will NOT succumb to this kind of play. What this airline is doing to me is downright sinful, and I wish to do everything I can to fight back. Yes, I understand I made some foolish decisions, but please someone out there please advise me of what to do here. I am at the end of my rope and I do not want to quit this game. This will only be a victory for him and I do not want him to be victorious. He came after me at one hub, which I could take. But then he came after me at another which is, to me, below the belt.
I have been dropping fares into the dirt, which I know is a very silly thing to do. This is why I need help...
I want to get even. Please help me! What aircraft should I purchase, etc...?
One final comment, at least for now. I find it interesting that you are trying to employ the help of so many people on this, when I haven't asked one single person for help. I'm just playing the game, and fairly I might add. I've also found it interesting how many players you have privately asked to have help you to rally against me. I've received PM's from a couple of them already telling me what you are trying to organize. Maybe this is all part of the game, which is fine, but when you are making me out to be the big bad bully, well, I'm not the one whining and crying and asking for everyone to help bail me out for stupid play and poor choices. 8)
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For the record, ignorance is not going to get anyone out of any violations of the official game rules. 8)
As for the issue in discussion here.... the only comment I have is keep cool. Ice yourself down if needed before posting, or this would be unpleasant for any of us.
I surely wouldn't want to get banned, so if my posts are inappropriate let me know. I've read the Forum posting rules and don't see where anything that I have posted has been inappropriate and worthy of a veiled threat by an admin. And I certainly haven't asked for any leniency if I have broken any rules. I have simply asked to be made aware of them so that I can make sure to be playing correctly and on a level field. To my knowledge, and I have read all of the posted rules (remember, this is the 'frozen tundra' and it's winter.....there's nothing else to do) and I do not see where I have broken any. But as an admin, hopefully in the best interest of the game you would be able to point out violations. 8)
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I have not said that you have violated any rules (not that I have checked, because no one has reported anything and I have not seen your airline in our violation reports yet). The discussion is still pretty cool. No issue here... yet.
My first comment is to make sure some other players out there understand that pleading ignorance would not get them away from the penalties. Believe it or not, people don't bother to read the rules but read these comments in forum and interpret them in ways that are not what the users have in mind. I just want to make sure I don't get a "but he pleaded ignorance and nothing happened to him" email the next time I do someone in. Similar situations have happened (which ended up with the violators getting chewed out 8) )
My second comment is just a warning to everyone who have and/or will post(ed) here. It always happen, eventually.
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I have not said that you have violated any rules (not that I have checked, because no one has reported anything and I have not seen your airline in our violation reports yet). The discussion is still pretty cool. No issue here... yet.
My first comment is to make sure some other players out there understand that pleading ignorance would not get them away from the penalties. Believe it or not, people don't bother to read the rules but read these comments in forum and interpret them in ways that are not what the users have in mind. I just want to make sure I don't get a "but he pleaded ignorance and nothing happened to him" email the next time I do someone in. Similar situations have happened (which ended up with the violators getting chewed out 8) )
My second comment is just a warning to everyone who have and/or will post(ed) here. It always happen, eventually.
Fair enough. I appreciate your clarification and follow-up. 8)
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One final comment, at least for now. I find it interesting that you are trying to employ the help of so many people on this, when I haven't asked one single person for help. I'm just playing the game, and fairly I might add. I've also found it interesting how many players you have privately asked to have help you to rally against me. I've received PM's from a couple of them already telling me what you are trying to organize. Maybe this is all part of the game, which is fine, but when you are making me out to be the big bad bully, well, I'm not the one whining and crying and asking for everyone to help bail me out for stupid play and poor choices. 8)
LOL this is indeed part of the game and AFAIK not against the rules. Depending on your gameplay it may be part of your strategy to have "unofficial" partners besides your alliance members (in case you joined one). But if someone starts to behave in the way you wrote he should be careful that it would not come back to him and people start to attack his bases. I noticed that you can do much better with kind words and if you try to meet some agreements with your toughest competitor.
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One final comment, at least for now. I find it interesting that you are trying to employ the help of so many people on this, when I haven't asked one single person for help. I'm just playing the game, and fairly I might add. I've also found it interesting how many players you have privately asked to have help you to rally against me. I've received PM's from a couple of them already telling me what you are trying to organize. Maybe this is all part of the game, which is fine, but when you are making me out to be the big bad bully, well, I'm not the one whining and crying and asking for everyone to help bail me out for stupid play and poor choices. 8)
LOL this is indeed part of the game and AFAIK not against the rules. Depending on your gameplay it may be part of your strategy to have "unofficial" partners besides your alliance members (in case you joined one). But if someone starts to behave in the way you wrote he should be careful that it would not come back to him and people start to attack his bases. I noticed that you can do much better with kind words and if you try to meet some agreements with your toughest competitor.
My apologies for being old and dumb, but what does AFAIK mean? 8)
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My apologies for being old and dumb, but what does AFAIK mean? 8)
LOL needed to learn that, too: As Far As I Know.
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My apologies for being old and dumb, but what does AFAIK mean? 8)
LOL needed to learn that, too: As Far As I Know.
Thanks! Keep in mind that I'm an old foggie that JUST got his first cell phone yesterday. But for 98-years-old (according to the Social Security Department) I'm still spry. 8)
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Hey, cut me a break ok? When it comes to this game I am not a fast learner...
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Thanks! Keep in mind that I'm an old foggie that JUST got his first cell phone yesterday. But for 98-years-old (according to the Social Security Department) I'm still spry. 8)
You are welcome. So this makes you almost three times older than me :lol:
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Thanks! Keep in mind that I'm an old foggie that JUST got his first cell phone yesterday. But for 98-years-old (according to the Social Security Department) I'm still spry. 8)
You are welcome. So this makes you almost three times older than me :lol:
Naw, the Social Security Department mistakenly has my birthday as being born in 1910 instead of 1960. Absolute joke trying to get them to fix it. Someday I'll hopefully be the oldest person in the U.S., at least according to their record keeping. 8)
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I have not said that you have violated any rules (not that I have checked, because no one has reported anything and I have not seen your airline in our violation reports yet). The discussion is still pretty cool. No issue here... yet.
He uses child labor - does that count?
His pilots also sneak in to my PHX club lounges and drink like crazy before work.
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He uses child labor - does that count?
:? eh?
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I have not said that you have violated any rules (not that I have checked, because no one has reported anything and I have not seen your airline in our violation reports yet). The discussion is still pretty cool. No issue here... yet.
He uses child labor - does that count?
His pilots also sneak in to my PHX club lounges and drink like crazy before work.
Only before 10 a.m. though. :P 8)
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
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And the mexican airports authority buys more gallons of Tequilla than of fuel to satisfy them :lol:
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
Think of it this way....it provided a lot of people with a lot of free entertainment today. 8)
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Here I was all ready to hit the lock button.....
I hope the warmer weather brings some sanity to people..... other than D, we kinda like him insane... :lol:
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
Think of it this way....it provided a lot of people with a lot of free entertainment today. 8)
ohhh! I so badly want to compete against you :P lol......
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
Think of it this way....it provided a lot of people with a lot of free entertainment today. 8)
ohhh! I so badly want to compete against you :P lol......
There's nothing stopping you. 8)
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
Think of it this way....it provided a lot of people with a lot of free entertainment today. 8)
ohhh! I so badly want to compete against you :P lol......
There's nothing stopping you. 8)
Eh, you know what? What the heck?! Let's see how badly I get eaten alive next round! ;-)
Or maybe one of these rounds I'll figure something out... Yeah, like that'll happen. If only the melting ice caps were as thick as my skull...
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Well it's official... I fill rather silly after all of this!
Think of it this way....it provided a lot of people with a lot of free entertainment today. 8)
ohhh! I so badly want to compete against you :P lol......
There's nothing stopping you. 8)
Eh, you know what? What the heck?! Let's see how badly I get eaten alive next round! ;-)
Or maybe one of these rounds I'll figure something out... Yeah, like that'll happen. If only the melting ice caps were as thick as my skull...
So how's the weather in Tampa these days? 8)