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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Midwest15 on March 11, 2008, 12:20:09 am
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Ok Ive recieved several emails and have been reading several forums and have noticed that people are whinning too much...Part of the challenge in this game is to stick to your guns and not be a sore loser when someone does something you dont like. Some advise alliances are very helpful in times of need like fare wars, if u got the money why not just go do that, otherwise accept the fact that others are going to be cheap and try to drive you out. Ive realized that theres no point in whinning to death about someone does this some one does that, if you arent making money maybe you should do some research before you aquire a gate on a particular route, if someone has a 1 euro fare stick to your fare because guess what in the long run you will make more money. I know I have been apart of trying to suggest things and i will cont to do so but realistically speaking the staff running the site can do only so much and even then its not gonna be the real world, so stop this non-sense "but in the real world" crap....and grow some balls and stick to your guns, running an airline is difficult and prolonged and things dont happen overnight...Thanks
PS-Also having 100% LF is not always the way to be most profitable some routes you make more at 75% then 100%...sorta like the real world :roll: so dont freak out about always having 100% LF
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No, it's not just you. I see that myself. Regarding my LF, my average LF is generally between 95 and 98, and several of my routes are between 75 and 98%. I used to care about my LF and about some of my routes, but I really don't this round. I even have 2 or 3 different aircraft on a single route, so the LF on those is generally in the 75-85 range, which is generally pretty good for any airline in the real world...
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same. when it comes to the LF. i really dont care if its 100%. i mean at first ofcourse, you gotta try to out due the competition to grow, but once you get to a sirtain point, doesnt really matter anymore. my average is 88.9% and thats only cause im trying to share with the rest of the competition, as long as my loads stay above 60% im happy, once it drops below that then i have to adjust my prices again.
and unfortunately i share routes with some of those who for some reason or another MUST have theyre load at 100%, which just starts to bring down the market value for the route for the rest of us cause you know everyone else is going to adjust theyre prices next :x
i thought this was supposed to simulate real world ops, to a point ofcourse. but you run into those young ones who the only thing they know how to play is try and "conquer" over everyone else. not even the real airlines can corner the market, theres laws for that :lol:
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If its at 70%+ I just leave it. If you dont, next day you'll have to keep editing the same route. Just over and over again :lol:
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70,80 percents are fine. But the other stuff can be kinda interesting sometimes:
When I left AM yesterday evening I had no route below 50%. Came back on today and there were about 20-30 routes below 25% and 18 routes between 26&50%.
If that happens to you 5 times a week it's natural to get unnerved by those morons who stick their single BAE on a multiple frequency FRA-MUC!
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haha on a side note, i have a guy going after me thinking that he will put me out of business because hes in an alliance (FT :roll: ), not only has he started a farewar but in the long run he will be pissing ppl off just because he thinks he can drive me out of this route and overall my hub.......i have a feeling the alliance person(s) backing him will back away once they realize im not going anywhere and dont need to profit on this route to keep it....amature
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Why do you think "he's trying to put you out of business" just because he's in a big alliance?
He's competing with you and trying to beat you. You just complained about people whining, and now you're whining about someone fare-warring you?
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I love irony. :)
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i have a feeling the alliance person(s) backing him will back away once they realize im not going anywhere and dont need to profit on this route to keep it....amature
The point you're overlooking is that if you don't need the profit on the route, they don't either. At this point in the game, you aren't the only person in this position. Once you start edging over 500M in value; losing a route or dedicating a plane to run a 1 euro 8x route is a drop in the bucket. Enlarged air and Plantain Air (names changed to protect the culprits) started the practice of running 4 or 5 planes, 4-8x at 50 euro on one route. I thought they were bookmarking but after a few days of not removing the planes/frequencies I went ahead and dropped to undercut them.
Personally I don't need the route. it's only worth maybe 10k to me now and I'm making 93M DOP. So why not close the route right? Because it's a game and it's a lot of fun to counter with a dedicated plane running 9x at 1 Euro because, well, if you're going to try to monopolize the route so I can't make money, I'll just make it so you nor anyone else can make any money off the route.
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I try to keep my "prestige" routes always above 100%, no matter where I am. However, since I have based in "obscure" places these last few rounds, I have managed to keep my route up pretty well. :)
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My threshold LF is between 70 and 75%. Anything within that range, I try to tweak a little just to get it above 75. 69 and below, well that requires some extreme tweaking. There are those routes I run with 2 different aircraft, and those are a bitch to keep fairly high. To keep those LFs high, I have to drop fares down. It's not too terribly bad tho, because this can be made up on higher traffic routes, where the plane could be 75% full and still turn profits into the six figures...
My DOP is well over 11 million, and my daily pax count is over 37,500...
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its more of a lol type situation not me complaining, trust me if i was complaining it would be about something major, i was more pointing out the fact that people think they are invinsable when they join big alliances like FT which i think is going on 3 stages at #1...cant remember.....anyways im more interested in leasing out planes at this point i think it poses a greater challenge at the moment....and there no way in hell i can make a run to the top 50 at this juncture since the round is so short....FYI I will be putting out Fk6000 for 1.7mil lease or 25mil purchase if anyone wants any let me know i got 5 going offline here within the hour
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I don't think people think they're invincible when they join an alliance like FT... but it sure does help having friends ;)
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I don't think people think they're invincible when they join an alliance like FT... but it sure does help having friends ;)
Heck, I'll second that. I joined an alliance with a lot of airline value, and I don't feel at all invincible. I will do anything I can to facilitate other fellow alliance members.
About having alliances, it sure does feel good to have such friends! I remember being a member of Skyteam back in the 2000-2007 round. I had over a dozen 717s leased to me for cheap to combat competition at my bases of CLT, HOU, and OAK at the time. I dunno, maybe this round I might not need such help. My DOP is soaring and I am climbing in value. I hope to retire my BAE 146 and lease that to someone in my alliance to help them out. This is me hoping to give back. :-)
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Just like the real world, I find that you can make decent profit with a load factor of around 80% ( + / - ). Even if you have some folks that come in and waste the yield, you can stick it out. I've maintained a really good DOP when i have had one or two $1.00 routes, mainly because some one needed to have that 100% LF. If im between 80 and 100, i usually leave it alone and focus on other routes.
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All under one alliance....this route is ORD-MEM
Dassault Mercure 7.5 €1
Boeing 737-200 Adv 1 €1
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 1 €1
Airbus A300B2-200 4 €1
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 7 €1
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 7 €1
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 7 €1
The rest of us.....
BAe-146-100 0.5 €600
Boeing 737-200 6 €99
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 1 €600
BAe-146-100 1 €700
DHC-3/PZL-3S Beaver 1 €99
Gotta love stupidity, sad thing is that im making money on this route too
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Weeeeell.... I'm not going to call you a liar, but I will say that if I raise my fare on the route to 1.01 I am at 0% LF.
We did that at the request of an alliance member. While our motto might be "Further. Together." - the rest of us think it should be "F**k em'. Together." :D
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Midwest15 don't you worry your pretty little head what FT is doing. We are experienced and we know what we are doing. It's called tough love.
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Welcome to reality...
I find it funny people complain because of competition... like it's immoral or something.. Welcome to the real world of business.
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hahaha ya got me but anyways i am only loosing like a grand or two i think....pooor pooor me lol oh nad for the last time im not complaining, just exposing :oops: i love support FT and love how yall support each other....i just love how the person ur helping isnt fairing as well as the help lol
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oh and does anyone know when the CRJ series began service??? late 80's or early 90's? Because as we all know skywest doesnt have ATR's, 7372 or 757 lol
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oh and does anyone know when the CRJ series began service??? late 80's or early 90's? Because as we all know skywest doesnt have ATR's, 7372 or 757 lol
I think the CRJ came in the early-mid 1990s if I'm not mistaken. They pretty much ruined a lot of popular routes in the 2000-2007 round a while back. So many airlines were ordering them, and then using them on n.5 routes. Ugh, and one of the victims was yours truely (oh, if only I had enough logic to use 1x frequencies!)