Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: pseudoswede on February 26, 2008, 07:47:16 pm
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Can you please explain why you do it?
Do you think you're making twice as much money with a 2-frequency compared to doing a 1-frequency? Three times more if you do a 3-frequency?
I'd like to know what your reasoning is.
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There's already people doing 4x frequencies on some California routes. :roll:
Friggin' insane.
People, get this through your thick heads: YOU MAKE WAY MORE MONEY DOING 1X FLIGHTS EVERYWHERE. Even WITH the gate costs, you come out way ahead. Going 2-3-4-5x with a 90-seat plane trashes yields and screws up the game.
You're destroying this round before it even starts.
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There's someone makin 10x Dubai-Abu Dhabi :roll: :evil: !!!! He must be nuts... with that amount of frequencies the prices already droped to values around 30€!
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Sadly, most of the biggest offenders probably don't read/post in this forum. Oh well.
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People need to realise that gate rental is not what ruins you income, it's maintenance. Last round I had 600+ gates that cost me 100 million monthly, while maintenance for all aircraft making those routes were 800 million. So adding a lot of freq that cost aircraft is so stupid especially since the DOP per freq is really low. If DOP is 50K for 1 freq, it might be 75K for 5 freq, making it a nice 15K per "route". Then subtracting gate fee and maintenance, and not to forget the actual cost of the aircraft you will be a snail in the rankings.
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People need to realise that gate rental is not what ruins you income, it's maintenance. Last round I had 600+ gates that cost me 100 million monthly, while maintenance for all aircraft making those routes were 800 million. So adding a lot of freq that cost aircraft is so stupid especially since the DOP per freq is really low. If DOP is 50K for 1 freq, it might be 75K for 5 freq, making it a nice 15K per "route". Then subtracting gate fee and maintenance, and not to forget the actual cost of the aircraft you will be a snail in the rankings.
Quite true. I had a competitor out of one hub that ended up doing multiples like that. Our valuations were pretty much even when I started the hub. By the end of the game, I had 2X the value they did.
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But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I think so too, lets bring in terrorists, crashes and unions :lol:
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But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I think so too, lets bring in terrorists, crashes and unions :lol:
And bad food and matronly flight attendants :lol:
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And government regulation, too :lol:
No Open Skies anymore, and cabotage laws apply. Sorry, Euro-based airlines; you can't fly intra-US alliance routes anymore! US airlines can't fly to China without getting frequencies allocated and good luck getting a beyond-perimeter slot at Reagan National :lol:
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I am not a friend of those HF flights either but as you asked for I tried to find out why people are doing this:
The "understandable" ones:
1) I am new to the game and have no clue how this game works.
2) I want to keep my gates.
3) I want to drive out competition (although in 95% of the cases it wont work :wink: ).
4) I want to act like a real airline would do (ok, would not explain freq 10 ones but freq 2 or freq 3 ones).
The "by the honest user most-hated" ones:
5) I am bored of this game and like to bother others.
6) I am playing a different online airline managing game and want to move the people from here to there.
7) I am cheating by using different accounts and I want to bother competition (Unfortunatly there is no way to prevent this game from cheating.).
Did I forget anything? Possibly :wink:
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but in the real world they dont start immediatly with 10 daily flights between 2 cities even if they r far from each other
they start 1st with few weekly flights then to daily and then they might might double and so on
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"I want to keep my gates" is a bull*vegetable* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
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"I want to keep my gates" is a *blood sausage* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
This is more about later in the round when you, for example, open up a terminal and need to fill up 40 slots quick.
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"I want to keep my gates" is a bull*vegetable* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
I was talking about this in general not about the actual starting situation.
When you create a terminal on your base you may lose rented gates if you cannot get them connected on time. Therefore it may be useful to have some high frequency flights to the closest airport for one or two real days. People do this especially when there are no gates left on their base - just to prevent other competition entering their routes. I have to admit that I did the same last round.
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but in the real world they dont start immediatly with 10 daily flights between 2 cities even if they r far from each other
they start 1st with few weekly flights then to daily and then they might might double and so on
WN maybe the only one that does open a new airport with many flights.
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"I want to keep my gates" is a *blood sausage* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
This is more about later in the round when you, for example, open up a terminal and need to fill up 40 slots quick.
Well, if you have no place to go you should not open a 2nd base, or if you are afraid that you will not be able of getting gates for that base, rent them, create base, and return the excess ones til you need them...
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Yes, in that situation I suppose it's understandable. But not at the start of a round.
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We've got a guy at my hub running two routes... One a 9x, the other a 10x. His totally monthly income? 4 Million. Two of us are running 18 routes at 1 and .5x... Our monthly income? ~27M. The good thing about it though is that since he's only flying two routes he's not on the other 16 diluting fares across the board. I'd actually rather him stay on these two peanut routes.
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This "hi-freq" thingy risks becoming the new (and forbidden) "1€" thingy... :roll:
Not that I disagree with anything that was said. Quite the opposite. Yet, I'm absolutely not bothered by it. On the contrary. To tell the truth, in the previous round I "pushed" quite a few competitors into doing it in routes that I deemed worthless.
Let's face it: in the current conditions (i.e., the way the LF algorithm goes) it's absolutely dumb to do very high frequencies. 2x or, depending on the a/c, 3x may be adequate in very strong and crowded routes at a later stage. Anywhere else, it's a waste of resources.
Yet, if a competitor is doing the hi-freq dance, you may be sure of two things: (1) he/she'll have less resources to bother you somewhere else and, (2) his/her growth will be severely hampered so that they won't be much of an inconvenience later on. Me likes it!
Oh, BTW, there is another "understable" reason to go unreasonably hi-freq on a route... :wink:
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I´ve just started and I already found a guy doing that on one of my routes departing from chicago, 5 freqs, kamikaze style
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the only reason i've done it on one of my routes is that I didn't have enough hours on my plane to open a new route...so i chose the shortest route and doubled it...it gets me an extra $18,000 to do so.
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When I bought all 50 gates in Exeter a few games back, I ended up doing EXT-LHR 32 Daily on 735s, EXT- STN 27 Daily on F100s, EXT - IOM 14 Daily on 733s and EXT - ISC 9 Daily on F70s. In the end, I owned 49 gates and an alliance member had 1 for his Exeter - Newquay flight.
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the only reason i've done it on one of my routes is that I didn't have enough hours on my plane to open a new route...so i chose the shortest route and doubled it...it gets me an extra $18,000 to do so.
That is also reasonable. I would not fault anyone for that.
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Oh, this reminds me...
Last turn, when I decided to move into LHR, I didn't have the required 4 gates to create a base. So, for a few days (game months), I bought a couple of 8-seaters and kept them doing MAN-LHR at very high frequencies, to hold onto the gates I had, until I could grab a couple more.
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"I want to keep my gates" is a bull*vegetable* excuse, pardon my English. I'm flying nothing but 1x, and I already have 60% utilization on my two starter gates.
I've certainly done it to protect gates in full airports, where otherwise I'd need to release them.
Early on, if I see someone flying 10x, I just presume they are new and don't know how to play - they'll learn. Thinking charitably, 2x people may not realise they can go negative when buying gates - I know I've forgotten :oops: But some of them probably do think it's a good strategy.
Almost look back to the 0.5x arguments with nostalgia! :D
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There is one guy doing 10x from St. Maarten to Grand Case. :shock: One thats on the same island and two its about 3 miles away in real life. :idea: It not hurting me as I am based in Grand Case, but WHY? I am new too. I came into this game about a week ago. I started a airline with like 6x between two 100,000 airports. In ONE hour I was -600,000 with a $24 profit on my largest route. But I have learned. Now I have a airline with $66,500 DOP, $850,000 in projected profit and 12 routes all with above $5000 profit before the game even started.
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used to, but now i only use 0.5's and 1 frequencies.
I thought the gate prices would make my airline bankrupt, so I went to fewer destinations, but then I noticed 1 frequencies were a bit better and so I switched.
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There is one guy doing 10x from St. Maarten to Grand Case. :shock: One thats on the same island and two its about 3 miles away in real life. :idea: It not hurting me as I am based in Grand Case, but WHY? I am new too. I came into this game about a week ago. I started a airline with like 6x between two 100,000 airports. In ONE hour I was -600,000 with a $24 profit on my largest route. But I have learned. Now I have a airline with $66,500 DOP, $850,000 in projected profit and 12 routes all with above $5000 profit before the game even started.
As soon as you can chose a bigger airport as your base. You should be able to make at least 10x the profit you mentioned (I am currently at 600k or 13M projected and I am sure there are some with higher DOP).
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I mostly only do 2-3X, but solely for more market share. Plus, I have heard from other folks who play these airline sim games that having multiple aircraft on one route can lead to canibalized service. So, it's a force of habit. I'll try to break that tho :-)
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There is one guy doing 10x from St. Maarten to Grand Case. :shock: One thats on the same island and two its about 3 miles away in real life. :idea: It not hurting me as I am based in Grand Case, but WHY? I am new too. I came into this game about a week ago. I started a airline with like 6x between two 100,000 airports. In ONE hour I was -600,000 with a $24 profit on my largest route. But I have learned. Now I have a airline with $66,500 DOP, $850,000 in projected profit and 12 routes all with above $5000 profit before the game even started.
As soon as you can chose a bigger airport as your base. You should be able to make at least 10x the profit you mentioned (I am currently at 600k or 13M projected and I am sure there are some with higher DOP).
Oh ok now I see. I like to start small and easy. My next move will be for Bermuda as a hub for the east coast. Trust me I don't want to dive in that deep at first. :D
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Ok...its one thing to do this later in the rounds to save gates...but at the start its just annoying :x Its not just new people doing this, already had one perfectly good route take a steep dive....guys only doing a 2 frequency. Which isn't a big deal...but lowering the price for no reason....He could easily get much more even with 2x...We are the only 2 on the route and he's not a new player. Its things like this that are pointless and annoying to the rest of us trying to play the game. Wouldn't be surprised if that route is the first to hit €1 :x
Its one thing to run higher frequencies and try for the highest possible profit...but say 5 airlines have a price near €500 it makes no sense to put high or even a lower frequency at €5...and do this to multiple routes. To me thats just screams "I'm bored with the game so why not cause some trouble" :? Its things like that that have ruined the past 2 rounds for me, theres no more fun in it when someone starts purposefully ruining routes just to be a pain :x Not everyone has the time to edit 100+ routes cause person B had to much time on their hands and was no longer here to actually play the game. These people generally do this then leave it this way till they are forced into inactive bankruptcy.
People new or old need to get it through their heads, running high frequencies will not gain you anymore profit...if anything you may only gain a just a couple bucks more with that 5 frequency then you could with a 1 frequency. So its completely pointless and just annoys everyone else. Put those aircraft to use on several routes...not run them only on one. Theres no logic in it. The goal is to make as much money as possible...cant be done if all you run is 2 routes at 10x :roll:
Real airlines do have high frequencies here and there. But unlike real life, in this game there may be 50 airlines on that route, therefore it is useless. Prices are going to drop eventually...but when your just starting up everyone needs that extra €300+ on those routes. Hopefully multiworlds will help solve some of these problems, and have many more factors to play in other then a single ticket price. When things are already becoming a mess in the first 3 hours I can already tell where this rounds headed :roll:
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There's already people doing 4x frequencies on some California routes. :roll:
Friggin' insane.
People, get this through your thick heads: YOU MAKE WAY MORE MONEY DOING 1X FLIGHTS EVERYWHERE. Even WITH the gate costs, you come out way ahead. Going 2-3-4-5x with a 90-seat plane trashes yields and screws up the game.
You're destroying this round before it even starts.
:lol:
:idea: why dont we tatto it to some of the players heads :P
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Im doing 2.5x route in California, only because I couldn't find any other routes to dump my plane on :lol:
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the only reason i've done it on one of my routes is that I didn't have enough hours on my plane to open a new route...so i chose the shortest route and doubled it...it gets me an extra $18,000 to do so.
I did the same thing. I had 1 hour left on my 146, so I upgraded one of my routes from a 1x freq. to a 1,5x freq.
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Im doing a 2 frequency route from Doha - Dubai, and my competitors all have 1 frequency flights at the same price as mine :) So now anyone trying to make a 1 frequency flight needs to make it extremely cheap.
Oh and I still get 100% loadfactor.
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Im doing 2.5x route in California, only because I couldn't find any other routes to dump my plane on :lol:
just for the record, that is LAX-LAS. :)
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theres this noob doing the THR-DXB route with a BAe 146 for E40 as oppose to our E247 and with the same frequency as ours (1)!!
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Definitely a n00b. :lol:
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I have an idiot on MIA-FPO who's doing 10x and it's killing my profit on that route. should I send an e-mail to the staff, or is this considered 'fair' ?
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I have an idiot on MIA-FPO who's doing 10x and it's killing my profit on that route. should I send an e-mail to the staff, or is this considered 'fair' ?
This is not considered "illegal"... (legal may not be fair~~)
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I have an idiot on MIA-FPO who's doing 10x and it's killing my profit on that route. should I send an e-mail to the staff, or is this considered 'fair' ?
This is not considered "illegal"... (legal may not be fair~~)
Can I ask why the program allow up to 10x frequency on routes? Running routes at ridiculous frequencies benefits no-one, surely it would make the game fairer and more realistic to limit the amount of frequencies? (Sorry, If I sound rude, I'm just curious! :D )
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Can I ask why the program allow up to 10x frequency on routes? Running routes at ridiculous frequencies benefits no-one, surely it would make the game fairer and more realistic to limit the amount of frequencies? (Sorry, If I sound rude, I'm just curious! :D )
Because there are people who say realistically airlines could have as many freq as they want as long as they got the slots for runway and gates.
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For the same reason that the program allows anyone to rent gates they have no use for, to buy planes unfit for your routes, to set prices bellow economic viability, to... well, as a simulation of real life it would be unreasonable to have a magic hand preventing us from making mistakes. THAT would be unrealistic.
And, BTW, why would 10x frequencies be unrealistic? Unsuitable in AM's world, perhaps.
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I suppose you're right. It just annuys me when someone seems to just be spoiling the game for others, by charging £1 per flight with 10 frequencies for example. But they do have the right to charge what they want and fly when they want!
Toodles!
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I have already explained, in this thread or somewhere nearby, how, in my view, neither silly high frequencies nor silly low prices should be as worrisome as they may seem.
Let me stress again, in case anyone missed the above underlining, that this is just one opinion and that I happily accept that many may differ. Also, I won't pretend that I'm not bothered when someone does it in my routes.
But, yes, AM is not just a simulation, it's also a game. Most of the times, a player that engages in those activities hurts herself more than the others. So... why not?
Also - and here comes a bit of unrealism in favour of playablility - in AM you can pretty much fly to close to three thousand airports. A real airline would not be so fortunate. So, if someone kills a route... so be it. Plenty more to choose from and probably one less jerk to mess with. :D
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The problem with saying that it's "realistic" is that... it's not, really.
There's no airline in the world that offers 1-euro fares on every seat on every flight between a given set of points.
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But in the real world, airlines do multiple freq so I am doing it here. I believe this "game" should be exactly like the real world. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I think so too, lets bring in terrorists, crashes and unions :lol:
I agree completely.... How about political pressure to keep certain airlines afloat, governments of countries purchasing aircraft and assigning them to airlines, how about NIMBY's and curfew's.......
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How about no :P
Stephen has said that it's a HIGHLY SIMPLIFIED model of the real world. So no, it's not like the real world.
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I was doing a 3x daily OMA-MCI, but they I lowered it to 1x and jacked up the price. I make more money with the 1x flight because you can take the same plane more places while charging passengers more and more. Its great!
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at first i started doing multiple frequencies until i figured out how this simulation worked, in AE it was pretty much a must to do multiple flights to the same location, glad its not the case here 8)
ive been able to expand pretty fast and grow with this feature. altho there are some routes where it is pretty much a good idea to do more then one frequency, atleast if you are using a small prop. on those routes ive noticed even if my ticket prices are sky high and im the only one on the route, doing more then flight brings in a better profit. if your using larger aircraft with large passenger loads then id definitely agree there, 1 frequency is the best for you, and at the same time giving room to others.
i wouldnt begin to compare this to real world. theres many factors that arent around here, ever cancel flights due to weather, delays, etc...? thankfully thats not in our simulation.
also dont forget in the real world, you dont have 30 airlines trying to compete on a single route. if that was the case then the airlines would be in big financial troubles
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The problem with saying that it's "realistic" is that... it's not, really.
There's no airline in the world that offers 1-euro fares on every seat on every flight between a given set of points.
you are wrong. Jetstar offered 1 cent seats on some flights.
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The problem with saying that it's "realistic" is that... it's not, really.
There's no airline in the world that offers 1-euro fares on every seat on every flight between a given set of points.
you are wrong. Jetstar offered 1 cent seats on some flights.
AirAsia gave out 13, 000 seats free
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Either way...case closed. :)
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you are wrong. Jetstar offered 1 cent seats on some flights.
Probably just some seats to attract people, 3 seats at 1 cent, 3 at $1, 3 at $10 and so on.
You need to understand that no one gives anything for free. The 13.000 seats on AirAsia was almost guaranteed not entire flights with no paying pax...
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Umm, no, you haven't disproved my point. Case not closed by any means.
You just mentioned some airlines that offered some seats cheaply on some flights. That's fine. None of those airlines offer every seat on a given route for 1 euro.
I state again as a fact, there is no airline in the world which offers every seat on any given route for 1 euro.
AM's necessarily-simplified fare pricing system does not reflect real-world ability to price-discriminate within given flights, using "bucketed" fares that sell certain number of seats for a given price, then when those seats are full, bumping up the price.
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All of this boils down to a simple point.
Right now in the game, generally if you're running multiple frequencies, * edited for attack on players
The only time I have done it so far is when idiots come on a route I'm on and drop fares and run multiple frequencies. Way to screw up the profitability for EVERYONE. So, a large plane at 10x with 1 or 5 euro fares usually demonstrates how idiotic they are.
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there are a lot of reasons. your just starting and dont have enough to buy another gate. theres one hour left on a plane so you just put 1.5 on a close route to fill it up. i dont do it but there r logical reasons
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i like to run 1 but on short flights 50 miles i might run 2
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there are a lot of reasons. your just starting and dont have enough to buy another gate.
You can go into debt renting gates. Unless you're like, tens of millions of dollars in the hole, you can always rent gates.
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* try and show a bit of class even if you possess none, name calling is not necessary or permitted
Inform me so via PM. Insinuating I have no class publicly on the forum is no better.
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Which doesn't, by the way, justify public attacks on players.
Not that I edited your post, I don't know who did that.
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Which doesn't, by the way, justify public attacks on players.
Not that I edited your post, I don't know who did that.
I agree - I didn't name any specific airline, so I was unaware that it would be considered a "public attack". I will, of course, be more mindful of the sensitivity level of this forum in future posts, but I wanted to point out that the additional statement made by the moderator who did edit my post was unneccesary and IMO, equal to my supposed "attack".
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Which doesn't, by the way, justify public attacks on players.
Not that I edited your post, I don't know who did that.
I agree - I didn't name any specific airline, so I was unaware that it would be considered a "public attack". I will, of course, be more mindful of the sensitivity level of this forum in future posts, but I wanted to point out that the additional statement made by the moderator who did edit my post was unneccesary and IMO, equal to my supposed "attack".
True, thanks for clearing that up.
(Original comment removed, BTW, because it just doesn't belong there. Comments: (http://www.stephenm.org/forum/templates/ca_aphrodite/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif) (http://www.stephenm.org/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=23))
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Ok boys and girls getting back on topic here. Is is possible to have this 2+ freq and how crazy it is posted in the tips section when people sign on or maybe send out a mass msg via their AM mail box? I have one airline doing 7 freqs on one of my routes :roll:
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Ok boys and girls getting back on topic here. Is is possible to have this 2+ freq and how crazy it is posted in the tips section when people sign on or maybe send out a mass msg via their AM mail box? I have one airline doing 7 freqs on one of my routes :roll:
It is not game policy to dictate or even propose a certain game style. Airlines have the right to use multiple frequencies on any route, no matter what, and that's not gonna be changed.
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Ok boys and girls getting back on topic here. Is is possible to have this 2+ freq and how crazy it is posted in the tips section when people sign on or maybe send out a mass msg via their AM mail box? I have one airline doing 7 freqs on one of my routes :roll:
It is not game policy to dictate or even propose a certain game style. Airlines have the right to use multiple frequencies on any route, no matter what, and that's not gonna be changed.
I realize that but can't it be added as a hint on the home page?
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Same as above. It is up to the player to find out how to maximize profits.
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O I have one airline doing 7 freqs on one of my routes :roll:
Just drop an A300 on the route :twisted:
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there are a lot of reasons. your just starting and dont have enough to buy another gate.
You can go into debt renting gates. Unless you're like, tens of millions of dollars in the hole, you can always rent gates.
no you cant
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yes, you can rent gates to go into debt or even rent gates when your in debt
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Who cares? This is a freaking game people. I dont really care what the other guy does...that is there strategy and let them do it....whatever.
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I wasn't even talking about there strategy, I was just answering a question, no need to get mad at me.
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I know that was really a bit harsh :x
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I wasn't even talking about there strategy, I was just answering a question, no need to get mad at me.
Though no matter what, MarkP1969's response was a bit harsh, I believe he was probably referring to the idea of running 2+ frequencies and not to your correct post about going into debt on gate rentals (something not enough people realize!). :)
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lol, its just to show that Virgin is very mean when it wants to be :lol:
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I've got some yo-yo doing multiples on a couple of routes. I sent a PM suggesting they reduce frequencies but nothing but a fare reduction on one route. We compete solely on two routes, so I dumped multiples on those. Hopefully they'll get the hint.
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:evil: A certain Broker who gets scrapped BAe's is putting them on routes from my hub of a variable 0.5-6 with a ticket price of less than E100 which is very unfair for all of us who are trying to make money and who are not a broker! He should not be allowed to play like this!
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Just to say, every broker who gets scrapped BAe's has so far put them on routes, although 3/4th of the brokers have leased out more planes than they have in service. Besides, brokers need the route cash if they want to do anything later on in the round as far as brokering is concerned. If they don't, it's gonna be all Why are there no brokers instead of Why do brokers compete with me on routes.
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Just to say, every broker who gets scrapped BAe's has so far put them on routes
...except Hampo :P
But anyway, why not just forget about the broker thingy and stop all these negative markup? They asked for it to be stopped, so let their wishes to be heard.
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Just to say, every broker who gets scrapped BAe's has so far put them on routes
...except Hampo :P
But anyway, why not just forget about the broker thingy and stop all these negative markup? They asked for it to be stopped, so let their wishes to be heard.
I dont mind Hampo having the free BAe's but if he wants to abuse it by doing the thing I said above, then hes abusing the privilege and that is unfair to me as well as everyone else. Anyway, they are creating their own negative markup
btw, hampo has put them on the routes from my hub with the free planes and high frequencies.
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Check the rankings page :P
For every person who wants to stop the brokerage service, there's a person who doesn't. That's the entire problem with all these people going on and on about "unfair competition" and that sort of stuff. Would they complain if they got a cheap lease from a broker? No they wouldn't. They suddenly/magically wouldn't bother at all. Do I, on the other hand, hear complaints from people flying out of Amsterdam? Not really, seeing as I provided them (my own competition) with cheap planes. Why are people complaining about how unfair the brokerage system is when they don't even try to use it? Not a clue. Why are people complaining anyway about a feature that could help their airline develop more quickly? Don't know. Why are people complaining about other people who play the game as it was designed? This is the last time I'm gonna say this: Multiple frequencies are OK. They might hurt you, well, go find another playground, because there's plenty of sand for everyone. They are completely within game limitations, otherwise there would have been just the option for one frequency. Why create the option if you don't want anyone to use it? Really, people, just stop complaining about things you shouldn't complain about and find something else to do. If everyone on this forum could just think before they type, and have some common sense, the forum would be a whole lot better, but that's a mere sidenote.
Oh, and to answer D's question: Most of my customers tend to know how to behave :)
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Oh, and to answer D's question: Most of my customers tend to know how to behave :)
yaya, but most non-customers don't. :roll:
(Once again, I am the bad cop)
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(You've always been)
I don't really care about the non-customers, as long as my non-non-customers act even slightly mature.
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As I said before, I have no interest what so ever that a broker gets free planes which people have scrapped or just create routes to get money thus cheap planes for us, I actually agree with it (although they should be given money, but different story). But If they are going to get these scrapped 'free' planes and then dump them from someones hubs (anyones) with a freq of more than one (which doesnt make near as much money as if they do it with a freq 1) with a price less than E100 then this is very unfair for people who want to play properly and buy the planes when they raise enough money to do that. currently Hampo is not playing fairly seeing that hes a broker, but if he wasn't then I would not be complaining.
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Someone's doing multiple frequencies from one of my bases. It's not just 2x or 3x but 6x to 10x. I'm fine with it because his airline will never grow and there will be less competition for mediumhaul and longhaul flights.
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As I said before, I have no interest what so ever that a broker gets free planes which people have scrapped or just create routes to get money thus cheap planes for us, I actually agree with it (although they should be given money, but different story). But If they are going to get these scrapped 'free' planes and then dump them from someones hubs (anyones) with a freq of more than one (which doesnt make near as much money as if they do it with a freq 1) with a price less than E100 then this is very unfair for people who want to play properly and buy the planes when they raise enough money to do that. currently Hampo is not playing fairly seeing that hes a broker, but if he wasn't then I would not be complaining.
Once again. There are tons of routes you can fly with a BAe that Hampo doesn't fly on. He flies only 4 routes, iirc, so that's -4. Big deal. Find yourself an unoccupied swing set and you'll be fine. And about using the term "properly": I thought I made clear there's a lot of proper ways to play AM. Every person can think of his own proper way. Last round, I had 5 Fokker F28's and dumped them on big routes with lots of frequencies for a low price, which is the same as what Hampo's doing, to make some extra money on the side. Why? Because I felt like creating an Easy-jettish LCC-with-too-many-frequencies.
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And before this accelerates out of hand, this is not just an coincident, nor would it happen to anyone. Hampo has Stephen's blessing in targetting Iranair777 because he didn't behave himself in IRC and annoyed the heck out of Stephen. :wink: (... long story... but that is all you all need to know)
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And before this accelerates out of hand, this is not just an coincident, nor would it happen to anyone. Hampo has Stephen's blessing in targetting Iranair777 because he didn't behave himself in IRC and annoyed the heck out of Stephen. :wink: (... long story... but that is all you all need to know)
:evil: When did I ever not behave on IRC? (well, probably when I had sugar) But still, I dont care about my airline in AM current game at the moment cause I spend my time in multiworlds now. I'm talking on behalf of the airlines in the middle east who are on these routes and are losing money
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:evil: When did I ever not behave on IRC? (well, probably when I had sugar)
First, you attempted to seduce Stephen, then you ran around naked and danced in the room, then you bug him to deliver planes in MW repeatedly, despite he told you it wouldn't happen, and then you were rude to Viktor, then you slapped us all, including Stephen... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on (well you get the picture :P ).....
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:evil: When did I ever not behave on IRC? (well, probably when I had sugar)
First, you attempted to seduce Stephen, then you ran around naked and danced in the room, then you bug him to deliver planes in MW repeatedly, despite he told you it wouldn't happen, and then you were rude to Viktor, then you slapped us all, including Stephen... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on (well you get the picture :P ).....
:lol:
1) I slapped all including myself
2) I asked him politely last night twice cause the first time he ignored me and the second time he answered me
3) Dancing round naked was cause I felt like it and that I was happy
4) You seduce stephen as well, so dont you dare take that against me
5) And I wasn't being rude, I was just joking around with Viktor (but seems like none of you have a sense of humour in IRC :roll: (not surprising :P )
Now, back to the topic
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:evil: When did I ever not behave on IRC? (well, probably when I had sugar)
First, you attempted to seduce Stephen, then you ran around naked and danced in the room, then you bug him to deliver planes in MW repeatedly, despite he told you it wouldn't happen, and then you were rude to Viktor, then you slapped us all, including Stephen... and the list goes on and on and on and on and on (well you get the picture :P ).....
Mental note: never go to the IRC chat room.
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Mental note: never go to the IRC chat room.
No kidding. :shock:
Especially if iranair777 is a dude or under 18.
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Mental note: never go to the IRC chat room.
I can definitely see why. Anyway, if it was an official AM chat room I would moderate it a bit differently, but its not so I have no input.
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Bit of friendly competition won't hurt anyone will it iran :twisted: ?
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I wasn't even talking about there strategy, I was just answering a question, no need to get mad at me.
Though no matter what, MarkP1969's response was a bit harsh, I believe he was probably referring to the idea of running 2+ frequencies and not to your correct post about going into debt on gate rentals (something not enough people realize!). :)
That is exactly what I was saying....I don't care if you have 70000000000000000000000000000's routes on a city pair or if you have a 7989897907890780 seat aircraft doing it whatever! This is a game and I treat it as such. It is fun don't get me wrong. But I am not going to rant and rave because someone ruined my precious route....get over it and concentrate on the game people!
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This @#*&@*!#&@!$@*$&@#*$&@#*^$!*#$^&@!*$^!@#*$*!@$*!@#^@!*#&@#*^@*$#^@!*#&^@*@$^@!*$^@*$ airline, for the sake of following forum rules lets call it "Airline E", operating out of my home city at SFO (other airlines also operating out of here may know which airline I'm talking about) seems to have found every single west coast route I operate and put like 10x frequencies EACH, and by each I mean each I mean he has about 3 aircraft on each route! Whats most annoying is that because of this he has his prices at like E80 which brings down EVERYONE's profit!
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This @#*&@*!#&@!$@*$&@#*$&@#*^$!*#$^&@!*$^!@#*$*!@$*!@#^@!*#&@#*^@*$#^@!*#&^@*@$^@!*$^@*$ airline, for the sake of following forum rules lets call it "Airline E", operating out of my home city at SFO (other airlines also operating out of here may know which airline I'm talking about) seems to have found every single west coast route I operate and put like 10x frequencies EACH, and by each I mean each I mean he has about 3 aircraft on each route! Whats most annoying is that because of this he has his prices at like E80 which brings down EVERYONE's profit!
yes i understand that he was in ORD before......i really wanna kn what the hell is he doing and as well as another airline based in CLT :twisted:
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My DOP lowered by 2 million 'cause of this airline :evil:
I was so frustrated that I let my guard down and now I have an MSN worm :( thats I'm still trying to fix as I type! I think I'm going to take a break from AM...for a day :lol:
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My DOP lowered by 2 million 'cause of this airline :evil:
I was so frustrated that I let my guard down and now I have an MSN worm :( thats I'm still trying to fix as I type! I think I'm going to take a break from AM...for a day :lol:
perfect reason to diversify your routes, he killed a lot of routes for me too, i closed them, fought back on a few of them, and expanded in other hubs, it wasn't a huge loss in DOP for me since my other hubs made up for it. Still annoyed though.
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Probably another noob (judging by the airline ID) that thinks he has to occupy all gates to 100%. Did anyone send him a PM explaining how he could enhance his game play without spoiling it for everyone else? Then again, I'm sure that SFO offers more than the 21 routes he's doing.
As for the airline at CLT, it's rate of descent through the rankings beats that of a stone. DOP a hair over zero. Hardly going to bother anyone for much longer.
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My DOP lowered by 2 million 'cause of this airline :evil:
I was so frustrated that I let my guard down and now I have an MSN worm :( thats I'm still trying to fix as I type! I think I'm going to take a break from AM...for a day :lol:
perfect reason to diversify your routes, he killed a lot of routes for me too, i closed them, fought back on a few of them, and expanded in other hubs, it wasn't a huge loss in DOP for me since my other hubs made up for it. Still annoyed though.
Good idea! ...oh crap I can't think of any other places to fly to :( Oh well I'll continue expanding my BOS base :oops:
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I wasn't even talking about there strategy, I was just answering a question, no need to get mad at me.
Though no matter what, MarkP1969's response was a bit harsh, I believe he was probably referring to the idea of running 2+ frequencies and not to your correct post about going into debt on gate rentals (something not enough people realize!). :)
That is exactly what I was saying....I don't care if you have 70000000000000000000000000000's routes on a city pair or if you have a 7989897907890780 seat aircraft doing it whatever! This is a game and I treat it as such. It is fun don't get me wrong. But I am not going to rant and rave because someone ruined my precious route....get over it and concentrate on the game people!
Tell that to a certain other airline as well (I will protect his ID. pm me if you like!). I launched a route from PIT into one of his bases, and he sent me a threatening message that he was going to open a hub in PIT and run me out of there. Little did he know that if he would run me out, he'd also run out Crystal Airlines, who on some occasions is bigger than I am. I don't think he wants to start any wars with Crystal. I sure don't
I also agree that this is just a game. Sure, I get frusterated whenever the comeptition gets stiff, but that's all it is, just a game. I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit! I did drop that route -- I found another city I'd rather serve anyway...
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Well.... that PM isn't really that threatening and is relatively civil :roll: ... so there is nothing I could do about it. Do let us know when he start calling you names though.
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Well.... that PM isn't really that threatening and is relatively civil :roll: ... so there is nothing I could do about it. Do let us know when he start calling you names though.
While I would never stoop or resort to name calling, despite all of the 'douchies' that were thrown my way last round, could you possibly provide me with a link to the section of the AM rules where proper PM etiquette is outlined? Would hate to cross the line between 'game banter' and something that is considered inappropriate and get banned for something written in ignorance of your guidelines. Although I do seem to remember having a route-threatening message sent to me last round by a moderator (who will remain nameless) that has a reputation for the unwarranted banning of players. 8)
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I wasn't even talking about there strategy, I was just answering a question, no need to get mad at me.
Though no matter what, MarkP1969's response was a bit harsh, I believe he was probably referring to the idea of running 2+ frequencies and not to your correct post about going into debt on gate rentals (something not enough people realize!). :)
That is exactly what I was saying....I don't care if you have 70000000000000000000000000000's routes on a city pair or if you have a 7989897907890780 seat aircraft doing it whatever! This is a game and I treat it as such. It is fun don't get me wrong. But I am not going to rant and rave because someone ruined my precious route....get over it and concentrate on the game people!
Tell that to a certain other airline as well (I will protect his ID. pm me if you like!). I launched a route from PIT into one of his bases, and he sent me a threatening message that he was going to open a hub in PIT and run me out of there. Little did he know that if he would run me out, he'd also run out Crystal Airlines, who on some occasions is bigger than I am. I don't think he wants to start any wars with Crystal. I sure don't
I also agree that this is just a game. Sure, I get frusterated whenever the comeptition gets stiff, but that's all it is, just a game. I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit! I did drop that route -- I found another city I'd rather serve anyway...
:twisted: 8)
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
Golf season soon? :? (apart from the southern US)
I was sad that I had to drop out of SEA :cry: It was a benefit for the alliance :cry: I was doing so well :P
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
Ah, oh well. I had a player I wanted your help with. :) We'll see you in the fall.
If you're ever near Cincinnati with your clubs, give me a shout.
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
Ah, oh well. I had a player I wanted your help with. :) We'll see you in the fall.
If you're ever near Cincinnati with your clubs, give me a shout.
Send me a pm. Always glad to be of service to help out with someone that is on the list. 8)
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
And THAT is exactly the reason he got the PM from me. He didn't quite tell the entire story when he was complaining. He was a newb in PIT, opened ALL of his routes 3x, 4x, 5x, and just didn't seem to figure out why the fares were getting dropped so low on him. My PM to him was pre-emptive. 8)
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
Tell me about it. I remember another situation back in the 2000-2007 round when someone based in CLT essentially wanted me off of PIT-CLT. They threw 7 frequencies on there to combat my 2 or 3, and I think his aircraft were larger... Then he put $10 fares on there, while I was charging close to 100...
This round, I always start out routes with one frequency. Sometimes I'll add a second one, like I said before.
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
Tell me about it. I remember another situation back in the 2000-2007 round when someone based in CLT essentially wanted me off of PIT-CLT. They threw 7 frequencies on there to combat my 2 or 3, and I think his aircraft were larger... Then he put $10 fares on there, while I was charging close to 100...
This round, I always start out routes with one frequency. Sometimes I'll add a second one, like I said before.
If some one did that to me, i'd charge 1 cent on 10 frequencies with a 757. I dont care how much moneyI'd lose on it. They'd learn a lesson. (however, I'd only do this on one or two routes) :twisted:
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
That would explain why Seattle was so empty this round. After Seattle left, there was virtually no one there...
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
That would explain why Seattle was so empty this round. After Seattle left, there was virtually no one there...
Im confused.... Are you talking about when I left Seattle :P The only one who's still in Seattle is Western Air lines (WAL)... He's okay.
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Dooskie are you in this round? I can't find your airline - Dooskie or Seattle - in the rankings.
Just chillin'. Golf season is getting close, don't have time to play. Much. However, if you know one of the things that Seattle is famous for, you'll be able find me. 8)
That would explain why Seattle was so empty this round. After Seattle left, there was virtually no one there...
Im confused.... Are you talking about when I left Seattle :P The only one who's still in Seattle is Western Air lines (WAL)... He's okay.
Well with you and Dooksie gone, there was basically no one there.
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ohhh yes. sad. Does anyone know/remeber Alpha Air?
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
Tell me about it. I remember another situation back in the 2000-2007 round when someone based in CLT essentially wanted me off of PIT-CLT. They threw 7 frequencies on there to combat my 2 or 3, and I think his aircraft were larger... Then he put $10 fares on there, while I was charging close to 100...
This round, I always start out routes with one frequency. Sometimes I'll add a second one, like I said before.
If some one did that to me, i'd charge 1 cent on 10 frequencies with a 757. I dont care how much moneyI'd lose on it. They'd learn a lesson. (however, I'd only do this on one or two routes) :twisted:
I actually started to do that last round in the 1970s. A couple of routes I was charging 3 or 4 Euros, and still making money! -- 63 Euros! That was the lowest possible price to still turn a profit with, so I figured, "you know what, I dare you to go lower!"
It's all good tho. I remember first starting out with this last year (when there were only a few hundred of us!), and I was the only one with a base at PIT. Now PIT is a multi-base for about 5 airlines. I really must say I don't mind that too much. To see PIT become such a base is a fantasy of mine, and at least on here such a fantasy can exist!! Crystal and I essentially trade the top spot back and forth. DCA, tho, is another story ;-)
I just want to remain competitive at TPA. I know I will never become the top airline down there. They're too big!
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
And THAT is exactly the reason he got the PM from me. He didn't quite tell the entire story when he was complaining. He was a newb in PIT, opened ALL of his routes 3x, 4x, 5x, and just didn't seem to figure out why the fares were getting dropped so low on him. My PM to him was pre-emptive. 8)
Yup. Some nutjob decided to do something similar on a couple rather busy routes. I sent a PM suggesting he drop the frequencies and he dropped fares instead. So I opened routes at one of his bases and used multiples with some small planes. He closed the base, but multiples are still going on. I sent another PM suggesting again he drop the multiples since I have several more bases I could build :twisted:
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I knew some new retard would come to quebec city and start ruining everything. 3x to manchester! he's costing me thousands!!!!! can there be a 3rd world for imcompetent people when multi worlds comes out??
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
And THAT is exactly the reason he got the PM from me. He didn't quite tell the entire story when he was complaining. He was a newb in PIT, opened ALL of his routes 3x, 4x, 5x, and just didn't seem to figure out why the fares were getting dropped so low on him. My PM to him was pre-emptive. 8)
Yup. Some nutjob decided to do something similar on a couple rather busy routes. I sent a PM suggesting he drop the frequencies and he dropped fares instead. So I opened routes at one of his bases and used multiples with some small planes. He closed the base, but multiples are still going on. I sent another PM suggesting again he drop the multiples since I have several more bases I could build :twisted:
Well needless to say, I learned my lesson about 2X-plus frequencies on here -- they don't work. Even though I was a "newbee" at PIT in the last round, I just started the game a little too late. Was I trying to be a jerk-off? no -- I was just trying to compete but was failing. I guess nomatter where I would have started up a base it was too late for me to compete at that point. Needless to say, I was rather happy the game reset after 1974.
I should have just chosen a smaller market that wasn't hubbed by anyone and gone from there. Maybe I would have fared better, but then again, it took me a while to learn about the 1x frequency concept :oops: :oops: :oops:
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I knew some new retard would come to quebec city and start ruining everything. 3x to manchester! he's costing me thousands!!!!! can there be a 3rd world for imcompetent people when multi worlds comes out??
It wouldn't be big enough. There would have to be a multi-worlds set up especially for them with lots and lots of worlds. 8)
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I launch routes, add frequencies with different aircraft to make my airline bigger and bigger. What am I supposed to do, shrink my airline because someone doesn't want me to get big? They might as well ask me to quit!
We all want to hamper the competition. When someone opens a route with multiple frequencies, expect retaliation of some sort. Although multiple frequencies may be within the rules, other players may start playing the same way.
And THAT is exactly the reason he got the PM from me. He didn't quite tell the entire story when he was complaining. He was a newb in PIT, opened ALL of his routes 3x, 4x, 5x, and just didn't seem to figure out why the fares were getting dropped so low on him. My PM to him was pre-emptive. 8)
Yup. Some nutjob decided to do something similar on a couple rather busy routes. I sent a PM suggesting he drop the frequencies and he dropped fares instead. So I opened routes at one of his bases and used multiples with some small planes. He closed the base, but multiples are still going on. I sent another PM suggesting again he drop the multiples since I have several more bases I could build :twisted:
Well needless to say, I learned my lesson about 2X-plus frequencies on here -- they don't work. Even though I was a "newbee" at PIT in the last round, I just started the game a little too late. Was I trying to be a jerk-off? no -- I was just trying to compete but was failing. I guess nomatter where I would have started up a base it was too late for me to compete at that point. Needless to say, I was rather happy the game reset after 1974.
I should have just chosen a smaller market that wasn't hubbed by anyone and gone from there. Maybe I would have fared better, but then again, it took me a while to learn about the 1x frequency concept :oops: :oops: :oops:
Fair enough. Apology extended for my rather direct PM to you the other day. It was just frustrating to work through it and you didn't seem to be getting the point as I dropped fares lower and lower, and increased the size of my planes. Just really didn't want to start down that same road again. 8)
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Ok then! I guess referring back to that PM, you were afraid of me opening a base at Shreveport? I really had no desire of running a base down there. Shreveport is just going to be a spoke in my system. I know I am going to use multiple frequencies on a few routes (this time with multiple aircraft with some overlap), these are going to be on a few regional routes. Shreveport is only going to have one frequency to each of my bases -- there isn't enough demand for 2+ flights to any of my hubs, or planned hubs. The most I will have anywhere is 3 or 4 frequencies, mostly due to different aircraft size (1 737 flight, a 727 flight, etc)
Again, part of that whole bit was due to my lack of logic with the idea of 2+ frequencies on a single aircraft. I can't believe it took 4 rounds for me to learn that! If you want to see other airlines doing this, I think I saw a handful in other locals with 4 aircraft doing four flights -- but these were 3X, 4X, 5X, and of course, to top it all off, an 'n.5' frequency! Needless to say, I don't do that anymore!
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Ok then! I guess referring back to that PM, you were afraid of me opening a base at Shreveport? I really had no desire of running a base down there. Shreveport is just going to be a spoke in my system. I know I am going to use multiple frequencies on a few routes (this time with multiple aircraft with some overlap), these are going to be on a few regional routes. Shreveport is only going to have one frequency to each of my bases -- there isn't enough demand for 2+ flights to any of my hubs, or planned hubs. The most I will have anywhere is 3 or 4 frequencies, mostly due to different aircraft size (1 737 flight, a 727 flight, etc)
Again, part of that whole bit was due to my lack of logic with the idea of 2+ frequencies on a single aircraft. I can't believe it took 4 rounds for me to learn that! If you want to see other airlines doing this, I think I saw a handful in other locals with 4 aircraft doing four flights -- but these were 3X, 4X, 5X, and of course, to top it all off, an 'n.5' frequency! Needless to say, I don't do that anymore!
Oh, I wasn't afraid of it. I was only trying to encourage you to reconsider before it led to something much uglier. Speaking of high frequencies/multiple planes on one route, I was looking at a couple last night that I couldn't believe. There was a route going from one place to another 55 times on four planes! 55 times! And it wasn't the only place that this airline was doing this. I'm still in disbelief. 8)
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55 frequencies on four planes to ONE destination?!! I can't imagine the press release associated with that!
"Attention trevelers, we have one entire concourse devoted to our (insert city here) travelers. Every plane and every flight depoarts XXX for (insert same city), which totals 55 total flights...
Forget that, I doubt they'd even get a respectable LF even at 10 Euros!! -- an exaggeration of the sort, but you catch my drift...
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Bring in the Weather - thats what I say :twisted:
All of those North American destinations with zillions of flights and trillions of profits should be spending a lot of that on re-routing pax. Just think - ORD (snow); ATL (Fog); NYC/BOS (snow, rain, wind, leaves....the list is endless)
Those of us which fly from part of the world where the sun is always shining should get some concessions that we aren't dealing with stupid weather patterns :lol:
Just my $10 dollars worth
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For fog, I wouldn't think of ATL. SFO comes to mind there ;-)
As does PHL to a degree, right there on the Delaware River...
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Some people don't get it, if they can't win on price what do they do?
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 5 €19
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 8 €19
Both of them are part of the same alliance as well :roll:
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Some people don't get it, if they can't win on price what do they do?
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 5 €19
SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 8 €19
Both of them are part of the same alliance as well :roll:
Yeah you can talk..
Having 3 planes on a 1 Freq is as bad as having 1 plane on a 3 freq..
The one bad thing about Australasia is that there is not much money as it is, without having idiots coming in and buggering it up..
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Having multiple planes on 1 route is sometimes not a bad thing.
Some of the routes I'm not the lowest price on offer, but there is the demand there given the passenger count of the airport.
Either I let the planes sit idle and earn nothing, or get something back without reducing the cost of the route.
Given they are only 20 seat planes anyway.
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Or, how about those with huge planes on low density routes, especially shorter routes? I realize I do have some such routes, but I am restructuring my airline. I hope to get my DOP up to 20 million and open up 2 more hubs -- somewhere out west...
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Having multiple planes on 1 route is sometimes not a bad thing.
Some of the routes I'm not the lowest price on offer, but there is the demand there given the passenger count of the airport.
Either I let the planes sit idle and earn nothing, or get something back without reducing the cost of the route.
Given they are only 20 seat planes anyway.
A Convair doesn't have 60 seats. Perhaps if you have planes sitting idle, you should put them on OTHER routes, or maybe you should actually think about it and say to yourself " Do I actually have routes to put these planes I'm buying on?" If not, Don't buy them. It DOES reduce the cost of the route. You can't have 2 Convairs on a route at 300 Euros and get a 100% LF if other people have ONE 50 seat plane on that route for 300. You'll have to go to 280 ish, and we will have to come down to that to match you.
Duh
Here's another example of something annoying you do:
Brisbane- Launceston
Droog Air [FT] SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B 1 €290
Asuka Airlines Convair 580 1 €300
Vincentair ( Me) ATR-42-300 1 €379
Blue Star Airlines Convair 580 1 €380
Air Taparata BAe-146-100 0.5 €510
Why would you make your fare 300 euros? Why not 378 or something like that? It ruins the routes faster how you're doing it, there's no need. All of us have 50 seat planes, why can't we have the same fares?
Stop thinking you're innocent, you're not. this game only works if you're not a complete penis.
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I try not to have the lowest fare myself. I usually try to either match fares or set them higher than others, and I don't mean higher by a few euros or so, unless of course the higher fare yields a ~30% LF...
I cannot WAIT for multi-worlds!!!!!!
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You only need to have a lower fare than the people with similar size aircraft to you. I have lots of routes where it's just me in an ATR 42 and one other guy in a Caravelle. I can have a fare 50 euros or so above him, and still get a 100% LF.
Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to 'To those of you who are being stupid bloody idiots with routes'. :lol:
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Why would you make your fare 300 euros? Why not 378 or something like that? It ruins the routes faster how you're doing it, there's no need. All of us have 50 seat planes, why can't we have the same fares?
Stop thinking you're innocent, you're not. this game only works if you're not a complete penis.
Maybe because I'm sick of the people who come back every hour and drop the fare by $1 over and over and over again.
By setting it at 300, I'm removing myself from the penny grabbers, and leaving the price war to the others on the route.
No naming names...is known for always dropping down by a dollar, so you two can fight it out, while I don't need to incur the daily route edit fee.
If the route has the passengers, then there shouldn't be a need to keep reducing the price, but as it is, everyone is dumping bigger and bigger planes on the shorter route and the is no market for that many seats.
You are not removed from this either with your recent uptake of the ATR's.
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I try not to have the lowest fare myself. I usually try to either match fares or set them higher than others, and I don't mean higher by a few euros or so, unless of course the higher fare yields a ~30% LF...
I cannot WAIT for multi-worlds!!!!!!
I'll bet you can't. 8)
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Maybe because I'm sick of the people who come back every hour and drop the fare by $1 over and over and over again.
By setting it at 300, I'm removing myself from the penny grabbers, and leaving the price war to the others on the route.
Blue Star is known for always dropping down by a dollar, so you two can fight it out, while I don't need to incur the daily route edit fee.
If the route has the passengers, then there shouldn't be a need to keep reducing the price, but as it is, everyone is dumping bigger and bigger planes on the shorter route and the is no market for that many seats.
You are not removed from this either with your recent uptake of the ATR's.
All that you reducing the fare by 50 euros instead of 1 or 2 is doing is ruining the route faster, because for us to get decent load factors, we HAVE to go lower than your already too-low fare, as we operate similar sized aircraft to you.
I have only bought ATR's because I have the routes for them. I am currently 5th in Australasia, and the four people in front of me ( no names AGAIN). all fly Convairs, which are bigger than my ATR's. I also only operate 50 ATR's, while you guys operate a higher number of Convairs.
I never said I was removed from this, but the reason the price has to keep dropping on routes is not, as you say, because people put aircraft that are too big on them, it is in fact beacuse there AREN'T enough pax for us all to have decent LF's.
Blue Star is in fact smarter than you, because you ruin routes up to 5000% faster than him. Australasia used to work well with one or two big airlines as it used to be, but not 4 or 5 as there is now.
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All that you reducing the fare by 50 euros instead of 1 or 2 is doing is ruining the route faster, because for us to get decent load factors, we HAVE to go lower than your already too-low fare, as we operate similar sized aircraft to you.
No, you are competing with the excess load of passengers that my plane can not handle.
I have only bought ATR's because I have the routes for them. I am currently 5th in Australasia, and the four people in front of me (NO names) all fly Convairs, which are bigger than my ATR's. I also only operate 50 ATR's, while you guys operate a higher number of Convairs.
Yes on the all the routes that have no passengers and are already serviced by Neko, Blue Star or myself. So infact you have just caused the downward spiral on all those route by adding your ATR's to already serviced routes.
I never said I was removed from this, but the reason the price has to keep dropping on routes is not, as you say, because people put aircraft that are too big on them, it is in fact beacuse there AREN'T enough pax for us all to have decent LF's.
Same thing, if everyone stuck to 20seat planes on the routes, then everyone could compete on the route with a high load factor.
Once everyone came along with the SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B's that just ruined the routes and caused the cost of prices to spiral downwards.
Blue Star is in fact smarter than you, because you ruin routes up to 5000% faster than him. Australasia used to work well with one or two big airlines as it used to be, but not 4 or 5 as there is now.
Doubt that, look at what you did this afternoon with all the ATR's. I went out for 3 hours and found many of the routes that you edited €20 less than I left them.
There is a solution to this, split NZ and some of the other islands not part of Australia out of the Asia group so they can't set up bases in Australia.
It's easy to see those who are after money and not provide the full service, just look at who services some of the Perth routes where you make bugger all money.
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I try not to have the lowest fare myself. I usually try to either match fares or set them higher than others, and I don't mean higher by a few euros or so, unless of course the higher fare yields a ~30% LF...
I cannot WAIT for multi-worlds!!!!!!
I'll bet you can't. 8)
Ok, you're just being very dirty right now...
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Ya know. I started this thread to find people who are actually doing this, not for people to complain about other people doing it.
If you find a habitual offender, why don't you send them an in-game mail with a link to this thread?
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Sorry mate. Now I am just playing the game of "get even"
To get back on topic, I did inadvertently launch a second frequency with the same aircraft to a destination from one of my bases. I believe I moved that flight and put it elsewhere.
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Sorry mate. Now I am just playing the game of "get even"
To get back on topic, I did inadvertently launch a second frequency with the same aircraft to a destination from one of my bases. I believe I moved that flight and put it elsewhere.
Inadvertently? That was your entire strategy of playing the game. Frustrating to say the least. 8)
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Dude, just leave me the heck alone...
I have played fairly as well, at least I have tried to. Look, I admit that I misinterpret many things on here, and I apologise. When you said stay out of shreveport I thought you meant "no hub" there, considering how I've played last round (which I wish I never played...)
Maybe I will just stay out of everyone's way. Maybe I'll move to Latin or South America next round where there will be nobody to piss off... hopefully anyway...
If you wish for me to dismantle PHX, then so fricking be it. You have caused me more aggravation than anyone on here. I hope you're happy. I am miserable. Thanks a lot. You fricking win, now please enough with this... This game isn't worth it. Ok, I am through... ciao
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Dude, just leave me the heck alone...
I have played fairly as well, at least I have tried to. Look, I admit that I misinterpret many things on here, and I apologise. When you said stay out of shreveport I thought you meant "no hub" there, considering how I've played last round (which I wish I never played...)
Maybe I will just stay out of everyone's way. Maybe I'll move to Latin or South America next round where there will be nobody to piss off... hopefully anyway...
If you wish for me to dismantle PHX, then so fricking be it. You have caused me more aggravation than anyone on here. I hope you're happy. I am miserable. Thanks a lot. You fricking win, now please enough with this... This game isn't worth it. Ok, I am through... ciao
If you can dismantle PHX, then so be it. I am just a little guy there with no aspirations of anything else. But if you want to P.O. the guys in front of me, be my guest.
As for the rest of it, actions speak. I only respond. I haven't been the instigator. 8)
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Dude, just leave me the heck alone...
I have played fairly as well, at least I have tried to. Look, I admit that I misinterpret many things on here, and I apologise. When you said stay out of shreveport I thought you meant "no hub" there, considering how I've played last round (which I wish I never played...)
Maybe I will just stay out of everyone's way. Maybe I'll move to Latin or South America next round where there will be nobody to piss off... hopefully anyway...
If you wish for me to dismantle PHX, then so fricking be it. You have caused me more aggravation than anyone on here. I hope you're happy. I am miserable. Thanks a lot. You fricking win, now please enough with this... This game isn't worth it. Ok, I am through... ciao
Hm, I am afraid it is almost impossible to "stay out of everyone's way" - except you choose small airports and fly to other small airports only. You may choose a different continent but I am sure if you chose bigger airports the competition will be there sooner or later. But thats the game! Dont be afraid of competition - just think about what you are doing. Your competitors start with the same aircraft and amount of money. So if somebody is better than you check his airline and his route network very often to learn from it. Especially look at his network structure. But keep in mind: do not copy him as your location may require other decisions. As I told you in the past already: ask for help if you dont know which way to go. There are always people here that may be kind enough to assist you.
To come back on your possible movement to Central or South America: sure there are a lot less competitors. BUT you have less airports that are worth to fly from. If you consider 5M pax as the minimum for a base you have 66 of them in North America, 3 in Central and 11 in South America. In Central America you will have at least 3 out of your maximum 6 bases below 5M pax and many of your competitors will choose Mexico City as their hub. Every continent has advantages and disadvantages. But smaller number in players on a continent does not result in less competition. If you think Mexico City is close to North America where the big-pax airports are located you are right but others think the same. Again: the competition will be there.
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All that you reducing the fare by 50 euros instead of 1 or 2 is doing is ruining the route faster, because for us to get decent load factors, we HAVE to go lower than your already too-low fare, as we operate similar sized aircraft to you.
No, you are competing with the excess load of passengers that my plane can not handle.
I have only bought ATR's because I have the routes for them. I am currently 5th in Australasia, and the four people in front of me (Neko Air, Droog Air, You and Blue Star) all fly Convairs, which are bigger than my ATR's. I also only operate 50 ATR's, while you guys operate a higher number of Convairs.
Yes on the all the routes that have no passengers and are already serviced by Neko, Blue Star or myself. So infact you have just caused the downward spiral on all those route by adding your ATR's to already serviced routes.
I never said I was removed from this, but the reason the price has to keep dropping on routes is not, as you say, because people put aircraft that are too big on them, it is in fact beacuse there AREN'T enough pax for us all to have decent LF's.
Same thing, if everyone stuck to 20seat planes on the routes, then everyone could compete on the route with a high load factor.
Once everyone came along with the SE 210 Caravelle Super 10B's that just ruined the routes and caused the cost of prices to spiral downwards.
Blue Star is in fact smarter than you, because you ruin routes up to 5000% faster than him. Australasia used to work well with one or two big airlines as it used to be, but not 4 or 5 as there is now.
Doubt that, look at what you did this afternoon with all the ATR's. I went out for 3 hours and found many of the routes that you edited €20 less than I left them.
There is a solution to this, split NZ and some of the other islands not part of Australia out of the Asia group so they can't set up bases in Australia.
It's easy to see those who are after money and not provide the full service, just look at who services some of the Perth routes where you make bugger all money.
Ok so now it's my fault for using ATR's on routes where you guys use anything with 52-110 seats? I was using freakin METRO's on those routes! You expect me to go easy and not try because you want to do well? That's stupid. If you get a shot at being a big airline, why shouldn't I?
All of you guys operate fleets of 50-60+ Convairs/Caravelles, so why can't I operate 50 ATR's?
All I did with my ATR's is edited routes so that I get at least a 90% LF- hardly unreasonable. It's Caravelles coming in that ruins it. The reason I had to drop 20 Euros was because someone had just replaced their Convair on that route with a Caravelle.
WTF are you on about talking about 'service'? They're not real people we're flying.. It doesn't matter if we could stuff 100 people into our 50 seaters, people would still fly with us.
AM is nothing like the real world, it would be good when people realise that.
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Calm down.
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I am calm now -- at least calmer (I am having a personally bad day here) Anyway, I just noticed an airline out in BUR running 4x Monterey Peninsula Airport with a BAE 146. Fares are at 50 Euros. I couldn't even get any pax what soever with a 51 Euro flight!
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I think he was talking to Asuka and I :P
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This thread has reached the ABSOLUTE razors edge of acceptability. Any further and the lock is coming...
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Got some idiot (ranked #2 in the Middle East, not including the brokers) decided to throw extreme multiples (5+) of Caravelle Super 10s on a bunch of routes :roll: I PMed him to see what was up, but no reply. Luckily I had 20 SE210-12s sitting waiting to be deployed. Got a bunch more on the way. Sorry to the folks this fare war is affecting. You all might want to get on his behind to get him to cut it out (or start multiples on his other bases on his routes).
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Got some idiot (ranked #2 in the Middle East, not including the brokers) decided to throw extreme multiples (5+) of Caravelle Super 10s on a bunch of routes :roll: I PMed him to see what was up, but no reply. Luckily I had 20 SE210-12s sitting waiting to be deployed. Got a bunch more on the way. Sorry to the folks this fare war is affecting. You all might want to get on his behind to get him to cut it out (or start multiples on his other bases on his routes).
Yup... Lord knows I learned that one the hard way. Hey Dooskie, how about you name your airline "Incredible Hulk Airways." Slogan: "Don't make me angry! You're not gonna like me when I'm angry."
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Got some idiot (ranked #2 in the Middle East, not including the brokers) decided to throw extreme multiples (5+) of Caravelle Super 10s on a bunch of routes :roll: I PMed him to see what was up, but no reply. Luckily I had 20 SE210-12s sitting waiting to be deployed. Got a bunch more on the way. Sorry to the folks this fare war is affecting. You all might want to get on his behind to get him to cut it out (or start multiples on his other bases on his routes).
Yup... Lord knows I learned that one the hard way. Hey Dooskie, how about you name your airline "Incredible Hulk Airways." Slogan: "Don't make me angry! You're not gonna like me when I'm angry."
doo doo do do do doot...."do you know the way to Tampa Bay....." 8)
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LOL both slogans are really nice! Good to see that you both take it easy now.
Stephen, I recommend you ask for the Nobel Price for creating such a war-ending place :wink:
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Got some idiot (ranked #2 in the Middle East, not including the brokers) decided to throw extreme multiples (5+) of Caravelle Super 10s on a bunch of routes :roll: I PMed him to see what was up, but no reply. Luckily I had 20 SE210-12s sitting waiting to be deployed. Got a bunch more on the way. Sorry to the folks this fare war is affecting. You all might want to get on his behind to get him to cut it out (or start multiples on his other bases on his routes).
Yup... Lord knows I learned that one the hard way. Hey Dooskie, how about you name your airline "Incredible Hulk Airways." Slogan: "Don't make me angry! You're not gonna like me when I'm angry."
doo doo do do do doot...."do you know the way to Tampa Bay....." 8)
Good place to golf in the winter, too 8)
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I'm a newbie here, and thought it was interesting to seet his topic. I only own one plane, and I lease another one. The one I own is a BAe-146-100, while the one I lease is a Fokker F27-500. I have 2.5+ frequency on all of my three routes, and I don't get why that is so bad? I don't have the money to buy gates all over the place, while still saving up to lease another aircraft. An simple explanation for a newbie would be nice. :)
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I'm a newbie here, and thought it was interesting to seet his topic. I only own one plane, and I lease another one. The one I own is a BAe-146-100, while the one I lease is a Fokker F27-500. I have 2.5+ frequency on all of my three routes, and I don't get why that is so bad? I don't have the money to buy gates all over the place, while still saving up to lease another aircraft. An simple explanation for a newbie would be nice. :)
You can make more money if you fly (A=your hub; B and C are airports of similar size):
A->B freq.1
A->C freq.1
instead of flying:
A->B freq.2
Offering more freq (=seats) means you need to lower the fare to fill your plane. Its kinda like having competition to yourself. If you have competition on your freq2 routes they will lower THEIR fare to get their planes filled. This will cause a massive drop in LF on your aircraft. You now adjust your fare and the same starts again. Having freq2 or higher usually causes a very fast dropdown in fares = less money you will have in your pocket.
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I'm a newbie here, and thought it was interesting to seet his topic. I only own one plane, and I lease another one. The one I own is a BAe-146-100, while the one I lease is a Fokker F27-500. I have 2.5+ frequency on all of my three routes, and I don't get why that is so bad? I don't have the money to buy gates all over the place, while still saving up to lease another aircraft. An simple explanation for a newbie would be nice. :)
You can make more money if you fly (A=your hub; B and C are airports of similar size):
A->B freq.1
A->C freq.1
instead of flying:
A->B freq.2
Offering more freq (=seats) means you need to lower the fare to fill your plane. Its kinda like having competition to yourself. If you have competition on your freq2 routes they will lower THEIR fare to get their planes filled. This will cause a massive drop in LF on your aircraft. You now adjust your fare and the same starts again. Having freq2 or higher usually causes a very fast dropdown in fares = less money you will have in your pocket.
Ok, so rather than saving up to lease aircraft (I currently have $ 580k), I should by some gates, and do more 1 fr.'s?
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
That's cool. Thanks for the hint. :) After only doing 1 fr. on all my routes, and bying gates, I've raised my DOP from roughly $ 144k to $ 314k. :D
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
That's cool. Thanks for the hint. :) After only doing 1 fr. on all my routes, and bying gates, I've raised my DOP from roughly $ 144k to $ 314k. :D
So at least one player learned today that high frequency does not mean high income. :lol: just another 500 left...nah, just kidding.
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
That's cool. Thanks for the hint. :) After only doing 1 fr. on all my routes, and bying gates, I've raised my DOP from roughly $ 144k to $ 314k. :D
So at least one player learned today that high frequency does not mean high income. :lol: just another 500 left...nah, just kidding.
Yup! :mrgreen: My DOP has now increased to € 635,426. :D
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
That's cool. Thanks for the hint. :) After only doing 1 fr. on all my routes, and bying gates, I've raised my DOP from roughly $ 144k to $ 314k. :D
So at least one player learned today that high frequency does not mean high income. :lol: just another 500 left...nah, just kidding.
Please forward this to particular airline ceo in Pit 8)
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:lol: I am sure he will read it or has read it already.
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Guys, no flaming, even though you don't specifically mention names.
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Guys, no flaming, even though you don't specifically mention names.
My apologies 8)
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Sure, just wanted to dig up this post :)
This thread has reached the ABSOLUTE razors edge of acceptability. Any further and the lock is coming...
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hint: you can still rent out gates, in airports you don't have gate, with negative cash.
That's cool. Thanks for the hint. :) After only doing 1 fr. on all my routes, and bying gates, I've raised my DOP from roughly $ 144k to $ 314k. :D
So at least one player learned today that high frequency does not mean high income. :lol: just another 500 left...nah, just kidding.
Please forward this to particular airline ceo in Pit 8)
Come on! I may be a slow learner with some things -- but I'm not THAT slow. ;-)
Didn't know about renting gates with negative cash tho...
D'oh... I AM a slow learner!!
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Wow, I'm confused. I just started the game yesterday, and I assumed the more frequencies, the more money you would make. So you're saying you make more money with one frequency?? Is there a post someplace I could learn this from??
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Wow, I'm confused. I just started the game yesterday, and I assumed the more frequencies, the more money you would make. So you're saying you make more money with one frequency?? Is there a post someplace I could learn this from??
I admit I did the same, it takes a while to learn that AM isn't exactly like Real life (There is very rarely an occasion where you need to do more than a 1x freq). You'd notice everyone else is only doing 1x freq flights (that or they're idiots). If you only do 1 freq flights, that leaves your plane more time to do other routes, =more profit, even after gate costs.
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Well the demand runs on the law of diminishing returns. So if you have more frequencies, you have to charge less to fill your planes, so that means you don't actually make twice the amount of money from 2 frequencies as 1. You make more like 1.7 or 1.8 times. And then if you have 3 frequencies, you make 2.3 or 2.4 times the amount of money. And so on and so forth. So you'd be best served doing one frequencies to more destinations than doing multiple to one.
You make more money on a per-flight basis on one frequency.
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And when you get competition on the route, all that extra capacity means your fares start falling a lot faster.