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Non-Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: DarthRobby on February 11, 2008, 03:24:35 am
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Hey, i haven't been on for a long time, but is anyone here in the army/military? if so, how did you convince your parents to let you join (i know you can join with out their support, but it would be no fun to go in without family support)
btw, i am only 13 (almost 14), but i really want to do this, i know that because a while ago i really wanted a business, and i got myself one (kinda)
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Whay would you want to join the army...? :?
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I am a military, but from Brazilian Army....Only 1 thing i have to say to you...
ARMY RULESSSSS
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Hey, i haven't been on for a long time, but is anyone here in the army/military? if so, how did you convince your parents to let you join (i know you can join with out their support, but it would be no fun to go in without family support)
btw, i am only 13 (almost 14), but i really want to do this, i know that because a while ago i really wanted a business, and i got myself one (kinda)
:shock: Joining army has no fun at all, even with family support (at least from my opinion). I respect army, they are very loyal to their country and want to defend their nation in the first line of defense 8)...but i think there's a lot more option to defend your country than joining army. How about learning well and become something that will make your nation proud of you? :D i think it's the same thing as joining army, but with no stupid war :(
(no offense to army :) )
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Since you have several years to go, I'd start looking at MOS offerings and what your interests are. Technology is bound to change in four years, so keep that in mind also. Parents always want what they think is best for their kid - which usually means college. A four-year University isn't for everybody. Remember, it's your future so think about things you can excel at.
Another thing to do is talk to folks in the various branches of the military and recent vets. Some will tell nothing but horror stories. Find out what jobs they did, what they liked and disliked.
I joined the Marines when I was 19. Everybody thought I was nuts and my dad was dead against it. But dad was the one in tears when I graduated from boot camp.
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I was Navy Reserve....
It was a compromise with my parents. My Dad's family was active duty Navy and my parents wanted me to go to college instead. I wanted to join the Navy to do something that mattered and to get to travel like my friends in the service.
The Navy or Air Force is probably a more appropriate place for you anyway. Much better technical training options in those rather than the Army or Marines.
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It's a good Ben Folds song.
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like Gagah said, i respect those people that go to the front lines. But me, i would never do it myself. :|
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Me in the army? :shock:
I even got around the German compulsary military service :P
No, honestly: I don't want to insult any soldiers, but I think the army would be worse than hell for me!
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I joined the German Navy in 1994 and served for six years. Although not everything I liked there (needed to do some really stupid things) it was a time I do not want to miss. I had an apprenticeship as an electrician. For almost two years I had nothing to do with the Army. The last 3.5 years I repaired Tornado aircrafts which was (besides some military excercises) a good time. I have visited various places when our pilots had their training missions from other NATO bases e.g. Ovar, Portugal or Decimomannu, Italy.
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haha, i dont mean i want to enlist, i mean i want to be an officer, does anyone know anything about that?
also, i am going to a 4 year college, but i want to go in the ROTC as well
also i am more interested in tank tech then ship tech, never really been interested in ships for some reason, no offense to navy guys, ships where never my thing, while i like planes, i have a fear of heights, and my mom would be so mad if i joined the air force, because of the amount of AA guns and things, it could be over so fast
so, please dont talk to me about different branches, i have looked at them all, and army is for me.
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Hi Robby.
Your still only 13 so you don't have to worry about careers just yet.
The main thing for you is to concentrate as hard as you can at school and get some good qualifications. When I was 13 I had some mad idea about what I wanted to do, but most of them were just in my head. Now i'm in my final year of school (well only 12 weeks left) I've had to seriously consider what I want to do in my future. I've decided to do an aviation degree in college with the option of going onto university and continuing further studies. After some long thinking I've decided that I'd like to become a pilot (taking into account if I can pass a medical, or if anything else goes wrong). If you want to join the army, no one can stop you, it's your decision, the only thing people can do is try and persuade you to what you want to do.
No disrespect to the guys in the army, but most of them aren't the brightest people around. It's pretty poor pay for the job that they do. You seem to be a bright lad and it would be a shame to see your brains be wasted in the army. If i was you i wouldn't worry about what you want to do just yet as you still have a few years left of your school life. From experience I can tell you, enjoy yourself! School has been one of the best parts of my life and I have only come to realise how good it actually was!
Worry about career choices when your a little bit older and have more of an idea at what you want to do. When the time comes, I'm sure your school will have a careers adviser which will help you choose what you want to do.
All the best!
Sam
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I agree with Sam.
No disrespect to the guys in the army, but most of them aren't the brightest people around. It's pretty poor pay for the job that they do.
No comment on that because I know people take great prides in being in the military.
Personally, I come from a place where we not only don't need to serve, but basically can't serve in the military. I feel blessed.
Some of the military controls, I don't really understand. Those sacrifacing for country bs... and those be a robot and follow orders even you know you would get killed bs... they are bs.
To me military are people would train for either nothing, or train to get killed. They are people who go into some place vertically, and come out horizontally. Saddist thing is they have to go get themselves killed whenever some false intelligence surface and a cowboy says they should go.
I don't know why the military appeals to you. Maybe you have been playing to many shooting games irl or online. At 13, it is not a realistic worry. Try to be open and remain undecided for a few more years. Other opportunities may present them to you.
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I'm not sure what the system is like in the USA but in the UK we have a week called 'work experience' where we go to a place of our choice and work their for a week. You could see if its possible to spend the week at your local army base when the time comes.
Sam
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I did my work experience in a vets, I had a great time, plus, now I have a load of photos which freak people out. I can also perform speying/neutering operations on cats and dogs (they let me do it on work experience!!!).
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I got hauled into helping with a cesarean section at 2am on a Boxer! That was fun...
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but did you shave a ferret and have to try and take a blood sample from it, by god theyre dry!
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I agree with Sam.
No disrespect to the guys in the army, but most of them aren't the brightest people around. It's pretty poor pay for the job that they do.
No comment on that because I know people take great prides in being in the military.
Personally, I come from a place where we not only don't need to serve, but basically can't serve in the military. I feel blessed.
Some of the military controls, I don't really understand. Those sacrifacing for country bs... and those be a robot and follow orders even you know you would get killed bs... they are bs.
To me military are people would train for either nothing, or train to get killed. They are people who go into some place vertically, and come out horizontally. Saddist thing is they have to go get themselves killed whenever some false intelligence surface and a cowboy says they should go.
I don't know why the military appeals to you. Maybe you have been playing to many shooting games irl or online. At 13, it is not a realistic worry. Try to be open and remain undecided for a few more years. Other opportunities may present them to you.
ok, first, the military (officers anyway, and a lot of enlisted men) are geniuses! how do you think they do all the things they do? do you know genneral patton? he was a great general, there are a lot of bright army men, in fact to be an officer you need to get a college degree from the ROTC (reserve officer training corps)
and it isnt sacrificing yourself for nothing, for example, because of the military being in iraq, there has been next to no terroist attacks, while it is true homeland security catches a lot, the military is making the country self-sufficient
on the intelligence thing, the military has great intelligence officers, and i dont think they rely so much on locals, especially in iraq
also, i am not allowed to play first person shooters, and i dont want to go out there are blindly kill people, i want to protect my country, no matter the cost!
@hampo, thanks, but they dont do that, the best i could do would be talk to a recruiter or military folk, because of 9/11 i doubt they would let non-military personnel (besides military family's) inside a base, or there would be a visitor center, but no staying there, also, some people think i am very mature for my age, for example, i have a business (with two regular customers) and i am saving up for a computer!
and i can not stress that the military men are very smart!
EDIT: i also want to say that if i dont pass the medical or whatever (right now i see no reason why i shouldn't) i have a plan set up that i will follow, i wont join the rotc until i know i have a fallback plan secured!
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Problably in 4 years i will be an Brazilian Army lieutenent, now i am an cadet!!!
Well thats in Brazil, i think in the US u have to do West Point Military Academy, i am not sure about it!!!
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thats awesome! good for you
one question though, is the bazillion (however you spell it) army required? like, are you forced to join, or do you have a choice (sorry, i dont know much about foreign army's) but either way, good for you!
also, you just need to go to BCT (basic combat training) and there are several places to go! also, i will be joining the rotc (officer core, or corps, i forget)
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ok, first, the military (officers anyway, and a lot of enlisted men) are geniuses! how do you think they do all the things they do? do you know genneral patton? he was a great general, there are a lot of bright army men, in fact to be an officer you need to get a college degree from the ROTC (reserve officer training corps)
and it isnt sacrificing yourself for nothing, for example, because of the military being in iraq, there has been next to no terroist attacks, while it is true homeland security catches a lot, the military is making the country self-sufficient
on the intelligence thing, the military has great intelligence officers, and i dont think they rely so much on locals, especially in iraq
also, i am not allowed to play first person shooters, and i dont want to go out there are blindly kill people, i want to protect my country, no matter the cost!
@hampo, thanks, but they dont do that, the best i could do would be talk to a recruiter or military folk, because of 9/11 i doubt they would let non-military personnel (besides military family's) inside a base, or there would be a visitor center, but no staying there, also, some people think i am very mature for my age, for example, i have a business (with two regular customers) and i am saving up for a computer!
and i can not stress that the military men are very smart!
EDIT: i also want to say that if i dont pass the medical or whatever (right now i see no reason why i shouldn't) i have a plan set up that i will follow, i wont join the rotc until i know i have a fallback plan secured!
Ha.. Military officers geniuses.. Ok so you've got one smart officer.. there's a smart person in every job..
"and i can not stress that the military men are very smart!"
Exactly.
I wouldn't join the armed forces here, because the only thing I would do is the Air Force and all we have is 2x 757's plus a couple of King Airs and some ancient Iroquois' :P
Also you may get good flying training, but then you are stuck with them for 10 years at NZ$20,000 a year (FedEx MD-11 Captains get NZ$450,000 a year as a comparison).
I don't see the point wasting your life in the armed forces, when you could actually do something you love for a living (like being a pilot for me).
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thats awesome! good for you
one question though, is the bazillion (however you spell it) army required? like, are you forced to join, or do you have a choice (sorry, i dont know much about foreign army's) but either way, good for you!
also, you just need to go to BCT (basic combat training) and there are several places to go! also, i will be joining the rotc (officer core, or corps, i forget)
Yes you are forced to join, only to be a soldier..But with u want to be a liutenent you have to do really hard military schools...I will problably be an brazil army helicopter pilot :D ...
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ok, i am tired, like, i have gotten no sleep for a while, and also i am not a military man, and i am 13...
also look at all the famous military men!
also i never said i wanted to be in the air force, in fact, if i had a choice, that would be the last branch i join (other then coast guard)
and i dont want to make a career of it, just have that job for a little while!
also, did you ever take into account that you dont have to pay housing and a lot of other bills in the army, while you are on a base they pay it for you! so bet you never thought of that, huh?
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ok, i am tired, like, i have gotten no sleep for a while, and also i am not a military man, and i am 13...
also look at all the famous military men!
also i never said i wanted to be in the air force, in fact, if i had a choice, that would be the last branch i join (other then coast guard)
and i dont want to make a career of it, just have that job for a little while!
also, did you ever take into account that you dont have to pay housing and a lot of other bills in the army, while you are on a base they pay it for you! so bet you never thought of that, huh?
I never said you would be in the AF, I said the only branch I would join is the AF because it is the only one I find remotely interesting.
Why just be in the army 'for a little while'? Why not just get a real job straight away?
And did you ever take into account that (for example) Emirates pilots get free housing (which is MUCH better than living in an old house on an army base) free healthcare, free schooling and no tax?
So yes, I did think of that.
;)
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ok, i am tired, like, i have gotten no sleep for a while, and also i am not a military man, and i am 13...
also look at all the famous military men!
also i never said i wanted to be in the air force, in fact, if i had a choice, that would be the last branch i join (other then coast guard)
and i dont want to make a career of it, just have that job for a little while!
also, did you ever take into account that you dont have to pay housing and a lot of other bills in the army, while you are on a base they pay it for you! so bet you never thought of that, huh?
I never said you would be in the AF, I said the only branch I would join is the AF because it is the only one I find remotely interesting.
Why just be in the army 'for a little while'? Why not just get a real job straight away?
And did you ever take into account that (for example) Emirates pilots get free housing (which is MUCH better than living in an old house on an army base) free healthcare, free schooling and no tax?
So yes, I did think of that.
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ok, so the pay isnt great, so what? you are defending your country and you only need to pay for luxuries, like tvs and stuff
also, i only want to go in for a little while because i think this is a really noble to join the AF and defend freedom, and i do want to pursue another career, but i feel this is something i have to do
anyway, i never asked for people to tell me not to join the army, i am asking for army folk to tell me how they got there parents to be ok with it
and if you arent in the army, dont talk bad about it, it is a very noble cause filled with very noble, smart people!
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No offense, but you've never been in the army so you can't possibly know if you'll like it or not.
You will never see half of the stuff that happens in places like Iraq because its all censored. After the Vietnam war the government finally realised that they cannot allow cameras to be with the armed forces willy nilly. When people sat down for their evening meal and saw images of children being horrifically burned to death, they started to oppose the war.
If the government let TV crews into Iraq and allowed them to publish videos of the stuff going on in Iraq, there would be a hell of a lot more opposition to the war. The government are smart and will not allow TV crews into situations that may shine them in a bad light.
Next time you see film from Iraq or Afghanistan, I can almost guarantee it will be of US soldiers coming under attack, but they manage to kill the taliban/militants and all ends good. If you ever do see footage of a soldier being wounded, they normally manage to get them off the front line and they recover in hospital. Unfortunately, this isn't the reality of war my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones who gets injured, you could spend the rest of your life missing limbs or possibly mentally unstable.
Sam
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No offense, but you've never been in the army so you can't possibly know if you'll like it or not.
You will never see half of the stuff that happens in places like Iraq because its all censored. After the Vietnam war the government finally realised that they cannot allow cameras to be with the armed forces willy nilly. When people sat down for their evening meal and saw images of children being horrifically burned to death, they started to oppose the war.
If the government let TV crews into Iraq and allowed them to publish videos of the stuff going on in Iraq, there would be a hell of a lot more opposition to the war. The government are smart and will not allow TV crews into situations that may shine them in a bad light.
Next time you see film from Iraq or Afghanistan, I can almost guarantee it will be of US soldiers coming under attack, but they manage to kill the taliban/militants and all ends good. If you ever do see footage of a soldier being wounded, they normally manage to get them off the front line and they recover in hospital. Unfortunately, this isn't the reality of war my friend. If you are one of the unlucky ones who gets injured, you could spend the rest of your life missing limbs or possibly mentally unstable.
Sam
I think Hampo's right there. War isn't what the recruitment officers tell you. It's pain, suffering and unbelieveable terror. I don't know if you know someone who really fought in Vietnam or WWII. If you do and you ask him/her about their experiences, they will most likely not be very willing to tell you. The ones that tell their stories (and make speeches about how great it is to be a soldier) are mostly guys who simply stayed away from the fighting.
ok, first, the military (officers anyway, and a lot of enlisted men) are geniuses! how do you think they do all the things they do?
I can't completely agree with that. Of course there are some very intelligent soldiers, but I've also met some that really needed bigger brains (especially my neighbour, who was an officer in the German army for quite a long time - he's a candidate for the darwin award).
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I think Hampo's right there. War isn't what the recruitment officers tell you. It's pain, suffering and unbelieveable terror. I don't know if you know someone who really fought in Vietnam or WWII. If you do and you ask him/her about their experiences, they will most likely not be very willing to tell you. The ones that tell their stories (and make speeches about how great it is to be a soldier) are mostly guys who simply stayed away from the fighting.
Quite true, which is why the only folks really pushing for the 2002 invasion of Iraq never served in the military (if Colin Powell had real intel, he would not have had anything to do with it).
Robby, go to school and get good grades. Go to a good college with a ROTC program. If tanks are what you want, go for it. By the time you get out of Armor School, you will be a 1st LT and lead a squadron of tanks. Tankers have fun, but the battlefield is changing. By the time you get into college, heavy armor may be a memory.
An engineering degree is most favored in the military, although a tanker can be pretty much anything.
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I did my work experience in a vets, I had a great time, plus, now I have a load of photos which freak people out. I can also perform speying/neutering operations on cats and dogs (they let me do it on work experience!!!).
You don't need a week of "Work Experience" to assist a vet. I used to visit a country vet when I lived in IN and assisted in spaying all my dogs.
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oh my gosh, i know i wont go out there and never be wounded or killed or lose limbs, i just saw a show that showed a hospital full of iraq vets with missing legs, they all said they wanted to go back, and they were sad they couldn't fight without two hands!
i know it isnt fun and games, it is something i feel i need to do, and thank you boilermaker for being one of the few people who read the first post and didnt try to stop me without reading anything else
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oh my gosh, i know i wont go out there and never be wounded or killed or lose limbs, i just saw a show that showed a hospital full of iraq vets with missing legs, they all said they wanted to go back, and they were sad they couldn't fight without two hands!
i know it isnt fun and games, it is something i feel i need to do, and thank you boilermaker for being one of the few people who read the first post and didnt try to stop me without reading anything else
Have you watch the movie "Jarhead"? It's from real life story about marine who serve in Iraq on the first dessert storm operation. And there's part of the movie where there's some media who come to Iraq to interview the marine, then the sergeant tell them not to tell any truth but only say something full of spirit and supporting the nation. The dialogue gone like this :
Kruger: This is censorship.
Sgt. Siek: This is what?
Kruger: Censorship. You're telling us what we can and can't say to the press. Thats un-American.
Anthony 'Swoff' Swofford: Yeah, what about freedom of speech? The Constitution?
Sgt. Siek: No you signed a contract. You don't have any rights. You got any complaints you complain to Saddam Insane and see if he gives a *cabbage*.
Kruger: Why that's exactly what Saddam Hussein does. You're treating us the same way.
Sgt. Siek: You are a marine. There is no such thing as speech that is free. You must pay for everything you say.
Pretty much the same on every countries. What you see in tv and in real life are a very different things. But, i also agree that you have to do something that you enjoy doing it. So if you think army's a good option for your future, then do it :P . And make sure you do it your best :D .
Oh, btw...please don't say losing a limb or get killed like a simple thing. You don't know how's it like when you lose your body parts. I have friend who only have one leg, and yes maybe he run his life full of spirit, but it's not that easy..... :(
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Have you watch the movie "Jarhead"? It's from real life story about marine who serve in Iraq on the first dessert storm operation. And there's part of the movie where there's some media who come to Iraq to interview the marine, then the sergeant tell them not to tell any truth but only say something full of spirit and supporting the nation. The dialogue gone like this :
Kruger: This is censorship.
Sgt. Siek: This is what?
Kruger: Censorship. You're telling us what we can and can't say to the press. Thats un-American.
Anthony 'Swoff' Swofford: Yeah, what about freedom of speech? The Constitution?
Sgt. Siek: No you signed a contract. You don't have any rights. You got any complaints you complain to Saddam Insane and see if he gives a *cabbage*.
Kruger: Why that's exactly what Saddam Hussein does. You're treating us the same way.
Sgt. Siek: You are a marine. There is no such thing as speech that is free. You must pay for everything you say.
LOL :o Any organization, any job - this same basic tenet holds true. I cannot badmouth the organization I work for without having to worry about the consequences. When you sign a contract, as you do when you join the military, you agree to certain rules and restrictions. In the US, if you don't agree to the rules, you certainly do not have to sign up. It's that simple. But if you agree to them, then you have no right to complain when they infringe upon your desire to do what you want. The First Amendment only says that Congress shall pass no law abridging one's freedom of speech. It does not mean that a contract - a legal, binding document entered into voluntarily by two parties - cannot place restrictions on those freedoms. Also, keep in the mind that the intent of the Constitution is to limit the power of government, not to guarantee rights and freedoms.
The other thing, 'Jarhead' was a movie, not a documentary. The fact that it was presented that way indicates that there has been some embellishment and, with as with any embellishment, an introduction of a bias - the setting up of two parties as the antagonist and protagonist. It makes for a much better story. To see what I mean, watch a documentary on D-Day and then watch the movie 'The Longest Day.' They both are based on the same event, but you get a much different picture as you watch each.
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Have you watch the movie "Jarhead"? It's from real life story about marine who serve in Iraq on the first dessert storm operation. And there's part of the movie where there's some media who come to Iraq to interview the marine, then the sergeant tell them not to tell any truth but only say something full of spirit and supporting the nation. The dialogue gone like this :
Kruger: This is censorship.
Sgt. Siek: This is what?
Kruger: Censorship. You're telling us what we can and can't say to the press. Thats un-American.
Anthony 'Swoff' Swofford: Yeah, what about freedom of speech? The Constitution?
Sgt. Siek: No you signed a contract. You don't have any rights. You got any complaints you complain to Saddam Insane and see if he gives a *cabbage*.
Kruger: Why that's exactly what Saddam Hussein does. You're treating us the same way.
Sgt. Siek: You are a marine. There is no such thing as speech that is free. You must pay for everything you say.
LOL :o Any organization, any job - this same basic tenet holds true. I cannot badmouth the organization I work for without having to worry about the consequences. When you sign a contract, as you do when you join the military, you agree to certain rules and restrictions. In the US, if you don't agree to the rules, you certainly do not have to sign up. It's that simple. But if you agree to them, then you have no right to complain when they infringe upon your desire to do what you want. The First Amendment only says that Congress shall pass no law abridging one's freedom of speech. It does not mean that a contract - a legal, binding document entered into voluntarily by two parties - cannot place restrictions on those freedoms. Also, keep in the mind that the intent of the Constitution is to limit the power of government, not to guarantee rights and freedoms.
The other thing, 'Jarhead' was a movie, not a documentary. The fact that it was presented that way indicates that there has been some embellishment and, with as with any embellishment, an introduction of a bias - the setting up of two parties as the antagonist and protagonist. It makes for a much better story. To see what I mean, watch a documentary on D-Day and then watch the movie 'The Longest Day.' They both are based on the same event, but you get a much different picture as you watch each.
I agree with you, Jarhead might be a movie, but it based on a book by real life marine named Swofford. Yes, it might be bias and subjective, but what i want to simbolize by using Jarhead quotes is not "that contract is unbelieveable" or "that contract is only exist in army", but i try to simbolize the rules that is really exist in military system,that is censorship.
In the last darthrobby's post, he said he just saw "a show that showed a hospital full of iraq vets with missing legs that said they wanted to go back". In almost every military system in the world, what army said from their mouth is already being censored and filtered. That's why i don't want him to believe that every soldier with missing legs want to get back to war and fight after they loose their legs.
Movies always gonna be biased. Even documentary like Fahrenheit 9/11 contains with message that the director want to pass to its viewer. While that facts remain the same on every movies, the facts inside a movies will always be true. And i know, i'm sure you know too, that censorship is exist in military :D
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ok, i know, and i am not trying to say it like it is nothing, just that i am willing!
also i already know about that, and this was reality tv, and also i have seen a marine get a lecture for smiling on tv when they where doing a documentary on BCT
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Theres a guy over here on a few TV Programs called 'Ross Kemp'... He normally does documentary's on gangs all over the world, but his recent think has been 'Ross Kemp In Afghanistan'. If you can, have a look on google and i'm sure you'll find somewhere to watch some of them.
He follows a British regiment in Iraq, and trust me, it isn't nice. For example last night one of the lads got shot (Very unlucky, got him through a tiny gap in his body amour!). That one single death affected the whole regiment, all the lads wern't the same after his death (obviously not).
It may seem all fun and games, going out to Iraq shooting terrorists, coming back and being seen as a hero, but it really isn't Robby, it isn't. No offense, but your only 13 and your probably just going through a phase of thinking what you want to do. You've probably just watched too many films and played too many games where it all seems easy :wink:
If you did go to war in the future, I can almost guarantee it would be completely different to the current ones. Weapons will be more advanced, and the tactics will get dirtier. I wouldn't rule off the fact of a nuclear war, or the 'enemy' using chemical weapons, its the sad truth I'm afraid. There is only so much humans can do before weapons take over.
Don't worry about it yet, get your head down at school, concentrate on your grades and having a good time! When the time comes to leave school you'll probably have a better idea of what you want to do.
Sam
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i am not allowed to play first person shooters, and i dont want to go out there are blindly kill people, i want to protect my country, no matter the cost!
come on guys, and this isnt a phase, i have always been interested in the military, i have just never rebeled against my parents!
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If you want to project your country why not join a group that does just that? I am not sure the name of the US organisation, but to me there is a very distinct difference between defending your country and going out to the middle east to spread democracy.
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I agree with Stephen.
To be honest, who is going to attack America? No one...
America is by far a superior country with one of the worlds largest army, and probably has the biggest number of nuclear weapons. If you did have to go to war, it would probably be in another country.
Sam
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The terrorist are trying to attack america, do you know how many terrorist attacks are stopped by homeland security? and that is after the military!
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If you want to project your country why not join a group that does just that? I am not sure the name of the US organisation, but to me there is a very distinct difference between defending your country and going out to the middle east to spread democracy.
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The terrorist are trying to attack america, do you know how many terrorist attacks are stopped by homeland security? and that is after the military!
They have stopped others too in their paranoia, I personally know of a guy who had to stay for 48 hours of "interrogation" including rectal exams just because he has a muslim name, that and it was very close to a known terrorists name. Heck he's a gay florist, and they sent him back to Sweden!!! Ok, florist rimes with terrorists but...
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Robby war is not pretty and glamorous and nor is the military. My boyfriend served in Panama (took out Noreaga sp?) and Desert Storm. While his tour in Panama was fairly easy Desert Storm was not easy for him or some of our friends that served. He and some of our friends still suffer from that ordeal and how many years ago was that? I can't really sneak up behind the Mister and I have sometimes have to stand back if I try to wake him up because I might get knocked out. When he went into Kuait (sp) there were some large commercial type dryers and Sudam's army had put small children into the dryers and basically cooked them. And even though I think our government denies it for the most part many of the guys over there swear up and down that chemical weapons were used but they were not told to put on their protective gear and now many suffer some odd ailments that are not common unless one had been exposed chemical warfare. We've had friends that have recently served in Iraq and they will not talk about it. Why? Because they saw some awful *vegetable* happening over there and they would rather try to forget about it rather then talk about it and have to relive it. I almost enlisted in the Navy back in 1995 and am glad that I didn't because I don't think I could handle what is going on over in the middle east and having to fight a war that I do not believe in. I think that it is honorable to serve ones country whether it be the UK, Canada, Brazil or the United States but before enlisting one much fully understand that it is not like the video games or what is in 99.99% of the movies. There is no joy in having to kill other people and not knowing if someone is friend or foe. Question for you. Why would you want to go to some place like West Point to be an officer if you are not wanting to make a full career out of it? That is a waste of energy. You're young and I hope that you will reconsider your choices and weigh all options once all the cards are shown. Recruiters only tell you the "great" stuff about the military and they fail to tell you what really goes on behind the scenes. Try talking to real military guys first before talking to the recruiters and I bet they will tell you more of the truth then those sitting behind a desk will. The recruiters will tell you anything to get you to sign on the dotted line because they have quotas to keep. They don't keep them and thy get pushed down. If you follow our advice you'll do ok. But it's advice so you can take it or leave it.
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i know its not glamorous and what not!!!
anyway, i never asked for people to tell me not to join the army, i am asking for army folk to tell me how they got there parents to be ok with it
please? if not lock this, please
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Your asking the impossible there. You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink!
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The terrorist are trying to attack america, do you know how many terrorist attacks are stopped by homeland security?
I'd think "nil" would be a good answer :P
No, seriously: I know a Swiss guy who accidently flew ZRH-JFK and return with live ammunition in his hand luggage- and he wasn't stopped!
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For those that are saying bull*vegetable* i have to say only 2 words...
ARMY RULEZZZ :D
anyway, i never asked for people to tell me not to join the army, i am asking for army folk to tell me how they got there parents to be ok with it
For me it was easy, my dad is on Brazil Air Force, so he accepted...
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Thing is, Brazil are unlikely to get in any wars anytime soon unlike the USA
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Thing is, Brazil are unlikely to get in any wars anytime soon unlike the USA
Yeah, but still is Army...
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The terrorist are trying to attack america, do you know how many terrorist attacks are stopped by homeland security?
I'd think "nil" would be a good answer :P
No, seriously: I know a Swiss guy who accidently flew ZRH-JFK and return with live ammunition in his hand luggage- and he wasn't stopped!
you can carry live ammunition, it just has to be wrapped properly
also they have stopped tons of terrorist attacks, as have the marines, look up a show called Delta company, and i know they wont show the "bad parts" of war, but they do talk about them! not the soldiers, the show people! and that shows them stopping terrorist attacks
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No, live ammo has to be in the hold
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oh, it was in his carry on? and he started in the us? weird? anyway, thats homeland security's fault
but unless someone actually talks about what i said in the first post (thank you DekoCwb)
either way, my cousins husband is sf, he loves his job, otherwise he would find a different one!
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Frankly, I would not worry about losing a limb if you are going to be in a tank. Usually, you either make it out, or you don't, and you are either burnt, half burnt, or not burnt. Just don't stick anything but your head out of the tank, and you should not lose your limb (... and stay alive, that is). So... 6 combinations basically.
How to convince your parents? Financial during ROTC would be one. Prestigeous school (as in better than the ones you could get in if not for ROTC) could be two. Telling them you would not come back without a limb (which is kind of true.... :P ) would be three. Discipline / training could be four. Threathen to sign up without their support could be five.
As for whether there have really been a lot of potential attacks on your country... really... I don't think that many people believe it, at least not the non-Americans. First of all, next to none of the "terrorists" are really convicted. Under most definition, that only make them suspects, not offenders. Secondly, those drill they do in airports and such... the homeland security always mess up on those. If the underover agents could carry a bomb and pass through security, how could they catch the real ones? :? Thirdly, and I probably should not say this, but... seriously, there are quite a number of lapses in the securities they have implemented. But then, we are not here to discuss that are we? Anyway, above are 5 ways you could consider to try and "convince" your parents, but if I have kids, I would never let them sign up.
Oh... and for your cousins husband... sometimes it is not that easy to get another job. First, there is the contract one signed, which at times have a specific minimum period attached to it. Then, one has to consider the qualifications and the skills one has. Lastly, opportunities and market situations may not be well for his qualifications and skills. There are a lot of people out there in jobs that they don't like but can't change due to different reasons, including high-pay (in relative to their qualifications), job security, contracts (and the penalty if they don't finish it), routines (ie. uncertainty in getting, and performing in a new job)... etc. The socialization (or re-education, or brain-washing, or "boot-camp", whatever you want to call it) is also another influence, because some people view quitting as un-manly, and quitting as deserting their pals (which are some values that are particularly prevalent in military).
But anyway, don't view us as trying to deter you. We are just trying to give you an all-round view in the reality of the military. One of my prof. is a former navy commander (for AWAC planes, or survelliance, or whatever...) and from what he has said (not even in a negative sense), the military is not as glorious as it appears. Office politics, inter-departmental competitions... etc. all exist in the organization that is supposed to be defending the country. However, those darker secrets play roles often as well and power struggles are considerations during operations.
Please take us seriously and go do more researches with an open mind. If you find you truely like it, you could find the faults of the military and come up with counter point before your parents bring those faults up. You could impress them with your maturity and show them you have thought this out well and thoroughly. That would help convince them in addition to the above 5 points. If, however, at anytime you have possible doubts about the organization, you could always look at other opportunities as well. Researches aren't going to harm you, that is for sure.
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thank you so much dktc
also, it would be possible to lose arms, because i will be the commander, the guy who has half his body sticking out of the tank, but thank you for that! i think i will join either way, but it would be better to have their support
i discovered my favorite school (BYU) has an ROTC, which is awesome, so i can go to my dream school
thank you so much for the advice, and i am doing so much research, i am talking to recruiters online, i am looking at army forums, i am doing a lot
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Good luck Robby, but listen to me here, wait until your a bit older until you fully decide
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thank you so much dktc
also, it would be possible to lose arms, because i will be the commander, the guy who has half his body sticking out of the tank, but thank you for that! i think i will join either way, but it would be better to have their support
i discovered my favorite school (BYU) has an ROTC, which is awesome, so i can go to my dream school
thank you so much for the advice, and i am doing so much research, i am talking to recruiters online, i am looking at army forums, i am doing a lot
Stop talking to the recruiters. They are not good sources. You don't have to talk to them until your junior or senior year of highschool. Right now, they are one of those biased source because they get paid selling that organization to you. Don't believe everything the recruiters say (and that is what our professors keep telling us).
oh... and remember to make a hard copy of this thread and put it in a safe deposit box... so you know not to blame us in case you regret your decision in 20 years :P
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I'll second what dktc.
We had someone from the Royal Navy in our school the other week trying to get people to recruit (and it's well known that the British forces aren't getting enough people joining up at the moment... i wonder why) and he was basically talking loads of balls to us!
They want you to join, risk your life, you die, you die, they don't really care.
Sam
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Stop talking to the recruiters. They are not good sources.
Plus they have nothing to do with ROTC or Officer Candidate Selection. Our drill instructors called recruiters Body Snatchers :P
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ok, then, i was just asking them questions like, what type of vehicle would i be riding in as an armor officer, and where would i be in that vehicle
they weren't much help there, but they help with some things
that is why i came here to talk about talking to my parents, because they didnt want to talk about that, they just said all parents are like that
i will give this thought, i am not stupid, my cousin actually said i am asking questions she would never expect from a 13 year old, i am giving this thought, and i will continue to do so!
also, if i shouldn't talk to recruiters, who should i talk to?
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who should i talk to?
No one.
Wait until your at least 15 before considering Your only 13, so you can't actually do anything just yet. Enjoy your time at school (it will fly by, trust me), get good grades then worry about the army once your about to leave
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ok
*talks to recruiters*
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:lol: Kind of agree with Hampo here. You are not supposed to be worrying about your future career yet... but oh well... if you want to agonize yourself with it.... :lol:
Your local veteran homes and retirement communities could poses some opportunities. Maybe do some volunteer services at those places and see if you could chat with some veterans (... or more like they would have you listen to their stories non-stop :P)
Also try finding out if you have teachers or other people you come in contact with regularly who are vets, and talk to them as well.
The best sources I would consider would be the people who got discharged, so you know the darkest side of the organization. If those aren't going to deter you, then you would be fine in there.. (until you got to be the one who got discharged :lol: )
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It will be probably 5 years until you'd even be considered to be sent abroad to fight, in which time the USA will probably be out of Iraq. The army aren't willingly going to recruit anyone when George Bush isn't trying to murder people in another country, why would they need you?
Keep thinking about what you want to do.
Sam
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who should i talk to?
No one.
ok
*talks to recruiters*
So you ask questions but dont want to see the answers. Thats a sure fire sign you have no maturity or cop on at all. Stop wasting peoples time.
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