Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: a1b23 on February 05, 2008, 09:56:08 pm
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I think AM is already over saturated. Well at least Europe and maybe NA, nobody uses asia so the majority who are in NA and Europe make the game saturated already after 3 gameyears.
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not as bad as last round, at least everybody can still get gates
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Well in europe i think its worse than last round
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I don't even consider it even CLOSE to oversaturated. Of course, if you base out of the JFKs, ORDs, ATLs, CDGs, and LHRs of the AM world, you're gonna have a hard time, but if you look beyond the 350K airports, there is still plenty of room to move around. That is in my opinion the mistake most players make when they come to the conclusion of oversaturation, as well as poor choice of routes (not enough other routes to back them up if the ones to 300K and 350K airports fail.) Personally, I'd love this round to go up to 10 full years! It just takes patience and knowing how to play your cards. At least it's nowhere as bad as it was in a certain game similar to this one (who shall remain un-nammed).
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Wait until multi-worlds. Right now the game is not even close to saturation :wink:
It could be, but don't keep making topics about this :roll:
Use the search function to see what has happened in the past :D
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The only saturated round of resent AM history was last round. Even Russia was saturated! :o
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Europes pretty full and so is africa. North America is getting there. Asia is fine though, good wiggleroom over there.
I dont think we could take to many more people though and still have room for growth.
But we are doing well, better than the last by far. And we are almost done.
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I'm going to Antarctica. Nobody will compete with me there :wink:
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so you think :twisted:
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There used to be airports on antartica. However, they long disapered :lol:
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Europes pretty full and so is africa. North America is getting there. Asia is fine though, good wiggleroom over there.
I dont think we could take to many more people though and still have room for growth.
But we are doing well, better than the last by far. And we are almost done.
North America has reached full.
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I think AM is already over saturated. Well at least Europe and maybe NA, nobody uses asia so the majority who are in NA and Europe make the game saturated already after 3 gameyears.
europe is far from saturated.
in fact, the whole game economy has alot of room for players, its just that everyone and their mother tries to be at the big airports without knowing how to actually make use of them, apart from say 5 people.
it seems you base your judgement on flying from two airports to all the big hubs out there, barely having a shorthaul operation. the biggest operator at this airports have less than 20 gates, hardly saturated AT ALL.
there is alot of room in this game, players just refuse to open their eyes.
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
don't forget me as well... :D
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Everyone just wants the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC and EPX) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
:lol:
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
don't forget me as well... :D
me too :wink:
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
don't forget me as well... :D
me too :wink:
I've just learned about short hauls and doing stuff out of smaller airports. Sure it isn't as fancy as flying out of the bigger airports but I think that the pros for the smaller airports and short hauls far out weigh the cons. I'm not out to be number 1 in my alliance or in the game but I do have goals and have met them so far :) Actually now that I think about it I wonder if there is a feeling of saturation because there are players that are no longer playing. Rather then deactivating their accounts they keep the account open. And it takes 21 days for an account to be auto bankrupt and that is a lot of time, a lot of wasted ac and a lot of wasted gates that people could buy and use. Hmmm maybe the auto bankrupt should happen at the end of two weeks rather then almost a full real time month?
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Me2, but I can't afford to update 200 routes 10 times per day
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
don't forget me as well... :D
me too :wink:
I've just learned about short hauls and doing stuff out of smaller airports. Sure it isn't as fancy as flying out of the bigger airports but I think that the pros for the smaller airports and short hauls far out weigh the cons. I'm not out to be number 1 in my alliance or in the game but I do have goals and have met them so far :) Actually now that I think about it I wonder if there is a feeling of saturation because there are players that are no longer playing. Rather then deactivating their accounts they keep the account open. And it takes 21 days for an account to be auto bankrupt and that is a lot of time, a lot of wasted ac and a lot of wasted gates that people could buy and use. Hmmm maybe the auto bankrupt should happen at the end of two weeks rather then almost a full real time month?
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Everyone just want's the glory of going long haul etc, so they do it ASAP. Nobody (except people like ALFC) actually realise the profits to be made doing lots of shorthaul as well.
don't forget me as well... :D
me too :wink:
I've just learned about short hauls and doing stuff out of smaller airports. Sure it isn't as fancy as flying out of the bigger airports but I think that the pros for the smaller airports and short hauls far out weigh the cons. I'm not out to be number 1 in my alliance or in the game but I do have goals and have met them so far :) Actually now that I think about it I wonder if there is a feeling of saturation because there are players that are no longer playing. Rather then deactivating their accounts they keep the account open. And it takes 21 days for an account to be auto bankrupt and that is a lot of time, a lot of wasted ac and a lot of wasted gates that people could buy and use. Hmmm maybe the auto bankrupt should happen at the end of two weeks rather then almost a full real time month?
inactivating accounts won't reduce competitions..........it only releases gates......
also....at present....it is far from saturation as ALFC said....
it's because there are longer ranges aircrafts in 1970s.....we have plenty more airports to fly ......
i think this round should be a 10 year round..
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Me2, but I can't afford to update 200 routes 10 times per day
i think this round should be a 10 year round..
i think 5 year is very very good for this round, due to the reason specified by bluesky.
given the still massive growth, 10 year round would simply go into an unbearable grind. right now, we already witness that only two people in the top5 are willing or able to keep up with the growth of their airlines. if it was a 10 year round i would assume that the fun part would be lost for about everyone.
i am actually suprised that there are so many players in the top20 with so many over80 LF, i personally find the current round to bealready unplayable in the daily time i am willing to spend on the game, even though i am most likely the most "playtime efficient" player out there.
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There used to be airports on antartica. However, they long disapered :lol:
Please don't mind this guy. There's three airports in Antarctica.
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I joined in the middle of the last game round, and that was REALLY saturated! It's not half as bad now, it is just because everyone is looking at the BIG airports (so it really reflects reality there). I've bases at two of the big airports in Europe and I can't really do much because most routes are realy competitive, so I opened bases at 4 smaller airports and turned my game around. Very little competition on my routes from there.....If you broaden your horizons you can really make strides in this round as there's plenty of space around!
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Moral of the topic: Bigger isn't always better :P
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i think this round should be a 10 year round..
I just can't wait till the next reset. A 5 year round is more than enough.
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I quite like my airline - would like to see it mature over the 10 years!!!
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i think this round should be a 10 year round..
I just can't wait till the next reset. A 5 year round is more than enough.
I'm really not sure about that, I guess it depends where you base, if you base at + 10 million pax airports, you're obviosuly going to get overwhelmed with compeition compared to airports below 8 million pax (reason I have a gap between 8 and 10 mil here is because to me, that seems a bit like a skechy area.) Both this round and last round were 5 year rounds, and I'll tell you what, I had plenty of room to move around and last round, I think I was flying some 400 or 500 routes (I need to check this up when I get home, I have a picture of my stats on the last "day" of the 1950s round.
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Is the next round going to be a 15 year long one? I've been here since the beginning, but only have a 500,000,000 airline value.
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the whole round thing is confusing. Is each game decade a round? And 10 real years for a reset? If each round is a decade, what happens when the next decade comes around. This is all so odd.
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Each round is supposed to be a decade (from 1 Jan x0 ~ 24 Dec x9), but we cut this one short because the game was so overly saturated by 64/65 last round. Even though we alter some cost and lf, we didn't know if this round could last. Adding to that, we were hoping multi-world could be launched by the end of this round, which doesn't look that way right now.
The next round would most likely either be 75~79, or 80~89... but it has not been decided yet. We will see how it goes~
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In europe there is only 1 airpory over 13M in Europe with a gate left Moscow Demdovo or the other one, i a week real time you will be lucky to get an airport with 1M
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The next round would most likely either be 75~79, or 80~89... but it has not been decided yet. We will see how it goes~
I vote for 5-year rounds until multi-worlds is fully operational.
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the situation in Asia also not good..
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I agree china airways - oh and thanks for the A300s on the little routes :(
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After spending about an hour resetting some 20-30 routes, I think I figured out what may be causing the problems with crowding. Oddly enough, it feels like the alliance flights may be it. Some players get suckered into joining a mega-alliance, the next thing they know they got 732s and A300s galore being sent in by their largest comrades (why people join these alliances is beyond me). I think we may need a reform in alliance flight logic? Probebly from one persons base to the others while giving a small increase in LF as well as between other alliance bases? It seems like this would take care of at least 40% of the overcrowding here, since it seems like just simply allowing any 5-20 routes is sorta drifting away from the reasons we are allowed only 6 bases, since the one to fill up those bases with huge planes are usually the largest ones in that alliance anyways within minutes sorta also reminds us of why we are given only 6 bases max. I'm part of a much smaller alliance, and if we are going to operate from each other's bases, we make sure we agree on it first, since we don't want to be wrecking each other.
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what do you guys have?
my airline is based in europe and i cant feel a thing about oversaturation. ofcourse, im based at poprad-tatry (only 100,000 pax) , but i fly to large ones like frankurt and i dont have much competition, i usually update a route per day. also there is one more advantage flying loadsa small routes: if you get competition an a route, you hardly feel it at all in your balance. so stop complaining an get more inventitive.
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I agree china airways - oh and thanks for the A300s on the little routes :(
I couldnt disagree with you more. You have to look out side of the box (hmmm... maybe airports with less than 10 million pax)
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what do you guys have?
my airline is based in europe and i cant feel a thing about oversaturation. ofcourse, im based at poprad-tatry (only 100,000 pax) , but i fly to large ones like frankurt and i dont have much competition, i usually update a route per day. also there is one more advantage flying loadsa small routes: if you get competition an a route, you hardly feel it at all in your balance. so stop complaining an get more inventitive.
I know what you mean, I'm based out of Rzeszow and Kharkov usually (and last round Kalingrad Khrabrovo(sp?)), all of them made good profits and were usually stable as was my Clermont base, but I do notice if someone gets on routes going in to those airports, but try flying close to 500 routes to pretty much everywhere on a map, small routes are great, but you gotta balance them, though I don't notice any saturation that is that serious, other than that caused when someone joins a mega alliance. The reason most people are complaing about Saturation is that most of them can't get gates at the airports they want, which itself is mostly involves the big airports (though dosn't bother me, I'm not trying to base at anything larger than 10 mil, that would be suicide for most airlines.)
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It also depends on the alliance you join, United Sky Group has a max of 20 alliance flights per member in total, and all our members has set the max slots from any player at any hub to be 2. Therefore, a bigwig like me cannot flood Cornfields or Pacfic hubs with tons of flights.
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so after every round, everything gets reset? We lose all our planes and routes and start with 500,000 euros again
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so after every round, everything gets reset? We lose all our planes and routes and start with 500,000 euros again
Yup :)
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I agree that the alliance function is too easily exploited. I have a base at Guam with a decent amount of routes and yet in terms of passenger traffic I am second on the list to a high ranked North American based airline that isn't even based there! This airline is using alliance bases all over Asia to fly 4 gates worth of wide bodies into Guam. If you check the departures and arrivals you see that this airline has not a single departing flight listed. I don't think it's in the spirit of the 'alliance' idea that large airlines can exploit the system to the point that they become the largest airline even at airports where they are not based!
Sometimes I look at route maps on airlines' pages and see that their routes originate from about 20 bases and that even though they are based in Europe, for example, they have a large domestic network in the US. I can't understand why the other members of the alliance accept this way of playing. If I was based at JFK and an alliance member used my base to create an obviously lucrative route like JFK-ORD I would be kind of pissed.
I think that somehow connecting at each others hubs and functional codesharing should be the basis of the alliance system, not preying on small airlines' bases to build airlines with, in effect, bases on every continent.
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If you don't want these guys in your alliance, make clear rules (and punish members that disobey those) :roll:
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If you don't want these guys in your alliance, make clear rules (and punish members that disobey those) :roll:
Problem is.. you can't punish them. Unless you flood the route yourself (which is somewhat counter-productive). I did post a suggestion of being able to vote out alliance members who don't follow rules.
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You can't kick him out like this. But a) you can flood his routes and b) you can start an email petition against the member.
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and c) ask 50%+ of your members to email :staff: or me to get the player kicked out
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Maybe I wasn't clear. The airline I was talking about is NOT in my alliance. He is in another that apparently doesn't care what their members do. I am in an alliance that has policies to deal with issues and is active about supporting the group as a whole and not just letting it turn into a free for all.
I have absolutely no control over airlines in other alliances. Besides which, flooding routes is totally counter productive in the end to everyone involved INCLUDING the flooder.
Oh, and right back at you, Blue Sky Mine, with the oh so appropriate emoticon: :roll:
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You were perfectly clear, at least to me.
There is no way to deal with a member of the other alliance. There are alliances out there that the sole purpose of joining is to give the largest member more routes in return for some 50% old planes :roll: People join those alliances thinking they are good deals and they may not even know what the other members in the alliances are :roll: (Did I ever say that most AM players are idiots? :roll: ) So... yea.... there is no way around it but treat that player as another competitor (or try to see if that player is violating any game rules :P ).
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Oversaturation? I haven't noticed - then again, I'm flying a fleet of FH-227's and B737's out of Lagos, Nigeria...
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That's the point... everyone's flying huge aircraft from places that don't actually support them.