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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Skyfox on February 02, 2008, 02:54:07 am
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This is just a concern of mine. I was wondering what effect this jet will have on many routes in competative areas. If every major airline in Europe dumps these on every single route, which im assumeing they will, will that lead to a massive devalueing of those routes and an even more competaitve atmosphere due to passenger shortage very soon?
Since the loadfactor math is so horribly screwed up in this game, im worried that the impact will be negative because of rampent undercuting. Any thoughts?
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im not sure if alot of European airlines woul but the A300 B1 My only reason is that it is far too slow! :?
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My observation comes from looking at the profiles of the major european airlines, Each one has atleast 20 on order.
Granted it is horribly slow, but it moves a good number of people, and the range aint half bad. In Europe it will have pretty good impact, but given that the price and loadfactor mathematics are as they are, im expecting this bird to cause alot of frustration as soon as the first ones are delivered. We have about 50 hours or so of normal gameplay left.
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Wow i dont understand it will no be capible of doing that much routes :?
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Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.
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i do agree with ya there i might consider buying them cause if everyone is going to do this i will to and join in on the low prices or evenput a bigger aircraft than them on the routes :D
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I think they'll find the plane to be of limited use, given its slow speed and long turn times. That means fewer sectors per plane, which means pretty low per-plane profits.
For the same price you can get two Mecures, which can carry the same number of people when you double the frequency (although its range sucks).
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i totally agree. i think the best new plane is the dc9-50 good speed load and range
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This is why airline Mogul airline CEO's would be fired in 10 minutes in the real world.
Question:
Your routes are suffering from over capacity, and extremely low prices, what do you do:
Airline Mogul CEO answer:
Uhhhhhh I put bigger and more planes on it ......
Waerth
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This is why airline Mogul airline CEO's would be fired in 10 minutes in the real world.
Question:
Your routes are suffering from over capacity, and extremely low prices, what do you do:
Airline Mogul CEO answer:
Uhhhhhh I put bigger and more planes on it ......
Waerth
:lol:
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This is why airline Mogul airline CEO's would be fired in 10 minutes in the real world.
Question:
Your routes are suffering from over capacity, and extremely low prices, what do you do:
Airline Mogul CEO answer:
Uhhhhhh I put bigger and more planes on it ......
Waerth
See, if AM had a hub effect going, then we wouldnt be sacked in the real world, because i would say:
"Our hub generates so much traffic, we need bigger aircraft on certain routes to fly these passengers"
8)
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This is why airline Mogul airline CEO's would be fired in 10 minutes in the real world.
Question:
Your routes are suffering from over capacity, and extremely low prices, what do you do:
Airline Mogul CEO answer:
Uhhhhhh I put bigger and more planes on it ......
Waerth
I have always maintained that the average AM players are idiots :P
... but I doubt they would get fired... because they shouldn't even get hired.
If the people are smart enough to hire them, they would not be dumb enough to fire them. (doesn't this sentence sound strange? :lol: )
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I ordered a handful of them, just to try them out. Speed and turn around time is not really an issue. You get a lot of seats for a very low price and on high density routes in EU and USA they will blow the competition out of the water.
Now if I only had some time to edit my routes.....
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I've ordered 4 for US work between major centres to replace 727's doing 2x frequencies- I'm small enough to edit routes :D
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If the people are smart enough to hire them, they would not be dumb enough to fire them. (doesn't this sentence sound strange? :lol: )
Other way round, isn't it?
If the people are dumb enough to hire them, they wouldn't be smart enough to fire them.
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I ordered a handful of them, just to try them out.
60 widebodies is only a "handful"?!?!
Oh, to be a rich airline! :wink:
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A300 is the best a/c to replace B727
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2 words about the A300: Very dissapointed
my 742 makes more money and thats with the 742 having 1 hour remaining on the clock! the A300 has 0 hours and it giving me less than the 742!
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2 words about the A300: Very dissapointed
my 742 makes more money and thats with the 742 having 1 hour remaining on the clock! the A300 has 0 hours and it giving me less than the 742!
for me...
both 742 or A300: very disappointed.....
because it is not necessary.....
unless you have to compete with other airlines.... :D
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I love my A300! I use it to fly between oversaturated routes. Gives good returns even with very low prices. :D
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A300? Great! :D
If I had the time, I would try to determine the best routes to put them. Since I don't, I just leave them there, patiently, waiting. When the next airline thinks of getting a few more lousy Euros on its DOP by lowering fares by 1€, I activate one A300 at Freqs 1 or even 2. Great fun! :lol:
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A300B1 is way much slower than it should be!
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I'm with epxair here, the largest plane that I would ever fly out of my bases is the IL-62 and the Tu-114 base version, simply due to the fact that anything larger is totally overkill on a majority of the routes I would be flying and dumping the largest thing I can on every route just isn't logical, since the returns on those would be so small, a AN-24V or Yak 40D and in some cases a L-410 might be more effective while producing the same exact profit as one of my Tups would on those routes. Though to be honest though, one of the main uses for the A300 was to do high density short to mid hauls, so it seems to do it's mission well here as far as that goes by the looks of things.
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I have 4 routes on my sole A300 with a total DOP of €305,794
I have 3 routes on my sole 742 with a total DOP of €333,090
I was hoping to get around an average of 130-150k on each route, but the most om getting is 110k and 80k
do the math ;)
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I have 4 routes on my sole A300 with a total DOP of €305,794
I have 3 routes on my sole 742 with a total DOP of €333,090
I was hoping to get around an average of 130-150k on each route, but the most om getting is 110k and 80k
do the math ;)
Isn't the 742 around 3x more expensive?
do the math :D
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I have 4 routes on my sole A300 with a total DOP of €305,794
I have 3 routes on my sole 742 with a total DOP of €333,090
I was hoping to get around an average of 130-150k on each route, but the most om getting is 110k and 80k
do the math ;)
Isn't the 742 around 3x more expensive?
do the math :D
:oops:
but still, my leased 732adv is making more money than the A300, and thats with it having much less seats than the A300.
If the A300 has 300 seats, then it should give a higher DOP
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I have 4 routes on my sole A300 with a total DOP of €305,794
I have 3 routes on my sole 742 with a total DOP of €333,090
I was hoping to get around an average of 130-150k on each route, but the most om getting is 110k and 80k
do the math ;)
Isn't the 742 around 3x more expensive?
do the math :D
:oops:
but still, my leased 732adv is making more money than the A300, and thats with it having much less seats than the A300.
If the A300 has 300 seats, then it should give a higher DOP
Not really true, like I had mentioned earlier, eventually, you'll put so much capacity on a route, that it gets to a point where it simply becomes more logical to put a smaller aircraft on routes. Like for example, if I were to fly Vnukovo to Kiev Zhilny, I'd find it a whole lot more desirable to fly a Yak 40 or L-410 than use a Tu-154 or IL-62. I should share a experiance I had flying my first round in the 2000s era. I tried to start Kalingrad to Pyonyang services, the first plane I put on it was a 777, I was losing around 10K a day on it, so I had to try putting one of my A310s on it, still losing a good 5K on it. After that, I leased out a G500 and guess what? I was making 5K on it (if we had BBJs then, or something of that equivilant, which can hold about 50 people, I'd probebly be making more like 10 or 15K.) Granted, my example used two smaller airports, but what I had explained can still hold true, not every plane will fit on every route, no matter how many seats it has.
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The A300 is not worth its money if you fly routes >1.000nm. A least from my experience in Central America. You can make more money with a B732Adv which costs less than the half.
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It's too cheap
And i get a book from Airbus
A300B1 is test only
Didn't sell to any airlines
A300B2 is first for sale in airbus
And A300B1 is only for 259 passengers only
IT need to change the data
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The data is issue is clarified in the data thread in respond to your other post.
Two A300B1 was delivered to an airline and were in service if I recall correctly.
It is not a production version, as A300B2-100 superceded it.
We do have other planes that have never been in production in the database. We did a poll way back when our previous aircraft data officer was still with us, and the majority opinion was as long as the plane has been made, and had flew (even it is a prototype), we would add them, regardless of other circumstancial factors that results in the lack of production.
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The data is issue is clarified in the data thread in respond to your other post.
Two A300B1 was delivered to an airline and were in service if I recall correctly.
It is not a production version, as A300B2-100 superceded it.
We do have other planes that have never been in production in the database. We did a poll way back when our previous aircraft data officer was still with us, and the majority opinion was as long as the plane has been made, and had flew (even it is a prototype), we would add them, regardless of other circumstancial factors that results in the lack of production.
a little bit off topic, but why is it whenever I want to click on a topic that you've replied to I always check to see if the topics been locked :lol:
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Because I only answer to important topics :P
... now... get back on topic, or this will be locked :wink:
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Yea, now that im taking deliveries on this thing. Im realizing its really not cracked up to much, im making less on it due to competition acting in turn than before when i was using 737s at .5.
And ill make not to self not to use it on any of *a player's* hubs, Geez. Man it was only a 727 from sharm to zurich. needed to put that bird down somewhere, its been sitting in in my hanger a better part of a week.
But ill admit its a good strategy, and one ill take up on aswell. Burn the invaders :twisted:
that should be a bonus for african airlines, you should be able to torch incoming aircraft and claim it was a coup.
*edited by dktc: please don't mention airline names of your fellow players*
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And ill make not to self not to use it on any of Lusitanas hubs, Geez. Man it was only a 727 from sharm to zurich. needed to put that bird down somewhere, its been sitting in in my hanger a better part of a week.
But ill admit its a good strategy, and one ill take up on aswell. Burn the invaders :twisted:
Trouble is, the way the LF algorithm goes, your not so little 727 sent my LF plummeting below 50% (that's when I take action; until then do as you please). Still, I believe in sharing. This way you should be having 100% or close enough, I'm over 80%, we should both be happy. (*a player* is probably not so amused... c'est la vie.)
*edited by dktc: please don't mention airline names of your fellow players*
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Same here, dont usualy create a fuss if its around 80%, thats where the better part of my routes are at. I was running a 732 at .5 there before, i wanted to upgrade that. so what i can do is switch it out to a 732 at 1. which should mean higher profits for us both.
That goes for sharm atleast, i dont know about Djerba and tripoli. *a player* has been extremly competative at both those hubs i might be forced to alternate aircraft to compete.
*edited by dktc: please don't mention airline names of your fellow players*
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I have 4 routes on my sole A300 with a total DOP of €305,794
I have 3 routes on my sole 742 with a total DOP of €333,090
I was hoping to get around an average of 130-150k on each route, but the most om getting is 110k and 80k
do the math ;)
but one of my SE210 10B have a total DOP of over 700K euro...... :D
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Until recently, my most profitable plane was a Fokker F28-1000. Now, it's also a Caravelle 10B (that pretty much replaced the F28). My most profitable A300 only brings in little over 600K. I still have 15 sitting idle... maybe I can milk a little more from them but I doubt it. :roll:
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I'm getting about 450,000 with mine so I'm happy.
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I'm getting about 450,000 with mine so I'm happy.
but you are dropping the air fares unnecessarily
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Nope I have the same fare as a 727 on a 2x frequency, and I'm making more moolah ( one is competing against you I think :D )
(Even if I was, I wouldn't care ;) )
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I wish I could make my 732 advanced models make more $$$$$! My most profitable one makes only 260,000. My A300 gets me 336,000 though. Any advice?
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My guess is you should find a more suitable type to fly those routes or just live with what your planes make now. Also, I guess it comes down to route choice. You won't make as much with the 100K Euro airports than you would going between like 250K Euro airports. Also, the distances you fly with them might also come into factor. The further you fly, the more costs you'll have on that route, which equals lower profit than if the cities were closer togeather.
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I wish I could make my 732 advanced models make more $$$$$! My most profitable one makes only 260,000. My A300 gets me 336,000 though. Any advice?
I have a couple of 732adv's on lease And the highest earner is 322,849 EUR and I have 7 routes on it which are quite long and I still have 1 hour remaining :shock:
Depart: Arrive: Freq: Load: Ticket Price: Profit:
Tehran - Mehrabad Tabriz International 1 100% €265 €60,278
Tehran - Mehrabad Dubai International Airport 1 100% €206 €45,873
Tehran - Mehrabad Mumbai/Bombay - Chhatarpati Sh 0.5 64% €610 €43,366
Tehran - Mehrabad Moscow Sheremetyevo 0.5 98% €606 €66,961
Tehran - Mehrabad Mashhad 1 100% €240 €54,237
Tehran - Mehrabad Shiraz International 1 47% €162 €16,455 (dont ask :P)
Tehran - Mehrabad Shiraz International 1 100% €159 €35,681
Anyway, what you need to do is search the above and see how long they are in order to copy me. In no time you'll get a higher DOP outta them ;)
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My guess is you should find a more suitable type to fly those routes or just live with what your planes make now. Also, I guess it comes down to route choice. You won't make as much with the 100K Euro airports than you would going between like 250K Euro airports. Also, the distances you fly with them might also come into factor. The further you fly, the more costs you'll have on that route, which equals lower profit than if the cities were closer togeather.
Shorter routes = fly more routes = higher DOP
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My guess is you should find a more suitable type to fly those routes or just live with what your planes make now. Also, I guess it comes down to route choice. You won't make as much with the 100K Euro airports than you would going between like 250K Euro airports. Also, the distances you fly with them might also come into factor. The further you fly, the more costs you'll have on that route, which equals lower profit than if the cities were closer togeather.
Shorter routes = fly more routes = higher DOP
Which is my point exactly, of course, it also comes down to where you're based. If you're based out of CDG or LHR, you might find it rather hard to live by this. Choosing planes wisely is another mistake people make, most will rush to the largest type (or most popular) insted of buying smaller, cheaper types to get more effective coverage with. This is why some airlines expand faster than those who are focusing on "all jet" fleets from the very beginning without making any milestones to get there.
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I had a Beech that made 300K :P Only becuase it flew *quite* short routes.
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Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.
correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.
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This is the most annoying plane in AM right now. I deployed my Airbuses between big cities and it was fun seeing competition lower their prices way below optimal price. However, in routes where I still use a Caravelle, some airliners use an Airbus. I just realized this plane is so annoying.
This means more Airbus for me! :D
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Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.
correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.
and your customers :lol:
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Correction, i think ALFC's got 30 on order, Lusitana's got 50, and the other dudes got 70. Or maybe vice versa, forgot whos who, but thats alot of very high pax birds. Europes a nice little area, but im very concerned since i dont think the PAX is there to support them all, prices atleast are going to go wayyy down, especialy for smaller airlines that cant afford to dump one on every route.
correct, prices in CDG went from over 400 on most routes to under 200, which caused some competitors to leave the airport.
hence the a300 is a success story for me.
If capitalism wherent so much fun, it would totaly suck.
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Ok, I will admit, if someone puts an A300 on a 4x freq it's a pain. (Edited because for some reason people took offense at it- Harden up!)
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Can someone edit the post above? It is not me zkvac is talking about but bad words which could provocate aggressive reaction should not be used here.
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I don't think idiot is too bad...
and actually I must say that 4x A300 is economic nonsense- can't think of a city pair that would support this :roll:
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I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.
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I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.
I recommend you look at some 150-200 seaters for those types of routes. They can make you quite a bit of cash if used properly (plus not get the route down to unprofitable 1 Euro as quickly too, knowing how CPH routes tend to be almost as busy as Gatwak routes for me.
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I use my 732s on my Tel Aviv-Europe routes. I think I'm just running too many long routes for them, like Oslo, Copenhagen and Casablanca.
What the heck? Ever looked into the Tu 154???
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I don't think idiot is too bad...
and actually I must say that 4x A300 is economic nonsense- can't think of a city pair that would support this :roll:
What about Orlando-JFK? The fare was about 200 euros, now down to 45.
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I have a route where I'm running 2.5x for 20 Euro....
STRICTLY to prove a point to a competitor how bad of a business move it is who is doing the same routing. The income for the plane is something like 26,000 Euro... for 1510 passengers. Dude, come on. Anyway we did this back and forth during a 2 hour war today to several airports and eventually the point got across and we're back to 737/727's. Only one route seems to be left for whatever reason, I think just to stalemate the route.
Anyhow I noticed that while my LF stayed within +/- 1% and my daily passengers went up due to the A300's (during the little battle today) my DOP conversely went down about 3-4%. The A300's seem to actually be a leach on your own DOP as well.
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I have a route where I'm running 2.5x for 20 Euro....
STRICTLY to prove a point to a competitor how bad of a business move it is who is doing the same routing. The income for the plane is something like 26,000 Euro... for 1510 passengers. Dude, come on. Anyway we did this back and forth during a 2 hour war today to several airports and eventually the point got across and we're back to 737/727's. Only one route seems to be left for whatever reason, I think just to stalemate the route.
Anyhow I noticed that while my LF stayed within +/- 1% and my daily passengers went up due to the A300's (during the little battle today) my DOP conversely went down about 3-4%. The A300's seem to actually be a leach on your own DOP as well.
:wink: 8)
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There he is! :)
You gotta admit the plane really doesn't make any money when you use it like we did LOL. Did you by chance notice the absurd costs of running the route when you were at 0%? One of them I think was -25,000 euro. PM me in game so we can work out a peace accord on some of the routes.
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Well, I'll do better next time!
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There he is! :)
You gotta admit the plane really doesn't make any money when you use it like we did LOL. Did you by chance notice the absurd costs of running the route when you were at 0%? One of them I think was -25,000 euro. PM me in game so we can work out a peace accord on some of the routes.
I was mainly interested in what the costs were going to be and how it compared to other planes. No need for a 'peace accord' as I'm sure you've already noticed that I've adjusted the planes and fares accordingly. It was a fun little exercise. 8)
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They're schizophrenic planes to say the least. They aren't as bad as the 747's but man if you don't get several criteria just right they're a waste of a hundred mill. I only have a few routes running them now and they're against EuroPac. Of course, being the players we are they're down to 1.5-2.5x at 70 for a wopping seven bucks in income. :)
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They're schizophrenic planes to say the least. They aren't as bad as the 747's but man if you don't get several criteria just right they're a waste of a hundred mill. I only have a few routes running them now and they're against EuroPac. Of course, being the players we are they're down to 1.5-2.5x at 70 for a wopping seven bucks in income. :)
you are not earning any if you do this to me......
because of the high cost of A300.......
i can give up the max profit of that route by having a low frequency of a small plane....
to force you to drop your airfare in order to get 100% LF......
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I know I'm not making anything on it, I said that in two other posts. It's solely a deterrent airplane for when someone tries to monopolize the route. Most none of my A300's stay on their assigned route very long because eventually one of the players realizes that you can drop to 1X and charge 10x as much or something of the sort. Then I go back and put a 737 or 727 on the route (or vice versa of course). Dooskie did this once or twice to me when he went back to a 737 at say, .5x and making a handsome profit while I was sitting there like a panhandler. Since neither you nor I have done that yet, that's why i said the route is stalemated.
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that's why i stay alive because i am not tricked///
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that's why i stay alive because i am not tricked///
LOL. ^ True.
I'm just really competitive and stubborn. :)
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This is the most annoying plane in AM right now. I deployed my Airbuses between big cities and it was fun seeing competition lower their prices way below optimal price. However, in routes where I still use a Caravelle, some airliners use an Airbus. I just realized this plane is so annoying.
This means more Airbus for me! :D
One of the nice things about playing in Asia this round has been that the competition, including your airline, has been really kind/light-footed; our numbers are small enough, that we can continue to grow without chewing each other to pieces in the manner that's oft described in this forum.
I bought 2 A300s, put them on somewhat trivial routes, and subsequently watched those routes turn into dust. As such, I have no plans on buying any more 300s. Rather, I'm pushing all 6 of my bases further and further out (in the region) with small planes (in addition to longhual, which is much less time consuming).
You (and anyone else) can throw 300s at me until the cows come home and I'll adjust without the slightest tinge of anger. That having been said, I think you'd be better served with smaller/faster planes (because not everyone is as kind as me and there are still lots of green fields out there).
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The mistake that many people made was that they saw they'd get 300 seats on the A300 instead of 130 on the B727Adv. and thought that they'd get three times the money out of their routes :roll:
I've leased one A300, and on the high density routes it works really well!
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This is the most annoying plane in AM right now. I deployed my Airbuses between big cities and it was fun seeing competition lower their prices way below optimal price. However, in routes where I still use a Caravelle, some airliners use an Airbus. I just realized this plane is so annoying.
This means more Airbus for me! :D
Yes... ok. :roll: But...
Everyone new this was going to happen... it was discussed over the 747, L1011 and DC10 debates..... Big aircraft OVERKILL routes in the simulation, yeah understanably there are flaws, like No Business, First, Economy, which would make a A300 between big cities more suitable..... but Stephen carnt get it 100% accrute, he can only do what he can to make it realistic as he can, and hes doing pretty well.
What disapointed me was the bigger more experianced airlines jumping onto the overkill bandwagon. Within a couple of weeks these routes will escelate down to silly E25 flights etc.
Ive got to the point now where ive given up on flying in Continental Europe. Any routes that are not doing well will be chopped. Prioritory is on Long Haul expansion!
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My competitors are putting these massive annoying things on every route imaginable and it's really ruining the game, especially since most of these guys are shooting for that unrealistic 100% LF. I'm ordering a few Tu-114s to reasonablly counter these and should be now focusing on buying tons of IL-62 for those flights that those guys won't be able to reach me.\
My opinoin is that this plane should cost more like 200 mil just due to it's capacity than anything else. Many people saw this coming.
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My opinoin is that this plane should cost more like 200 mil just due to it's capacity than anything else. .
I'd agree on that. Or at least it should cost 50-100 mio € more then the 727 or the TU154!!!
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Agreed on all accounts from everyone.
To slightly hijack the thread for a moment;
I'd hesitate to actually call this an "airline simulation" because the players aren't motivated by money and success as much as they are from spite and stubbornness (as I indicated about myself earlier) and the fact that nothing tangible is at stake... Like money.
In real life here in Cincinnati, Delta monopolizes CVG. This on top of the exorbitant landing taxes makes CVG the most expensive airport in the the country to fly in to. This story from January 31, 2008 http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/01/28/daily40.html?ana=from_rss
Anyhow, what happens is you'll occasionally have small start up airlines come in, or even a legacy carrier will expand service; Delta drops their fares to the toilet and end up running these airlines out of town within a year. USA 3000 is the current airline vying for elbow room and I kid you not when I say they have black and white computer print outs taped to placards in the ticketing area. So after a year or so of making absolutely no money the airlines - motivated by wanting to stay out of the dog house with their creditors and stock holders - close up shop and move on to more financially rewarding things.... Here in the game since we're only talking about imaginary money people make unfathomably horrible business decisions. Things that if done in real life would be front page news due to the insanity.
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Agreed on all accounts from everyone.
To slightly hijack the thread for a moment;
I'd hesitate to actually call this an "airline simulation" because the players aren't motivated by money and success as much as they are from spite and stubbornness (as I indicated about myself earlier) and the fact that nothing tangible is at stake... Like money.
In real life here in Cincinnati, Delta monopolizes CVG. This on top of the exorbitant landing taxes makes CVG the most expensive airport in the the country to fly in to. This story from January 31, 2008 http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/01/28/daily40.html?ana=from_rss
Anyhow, what happens is you'll occasionally have small start up airlines come in, or even a legacy carrier will expand service; Delta drops their fares to the toilet and end up running these airlines out of town within a year. USA 3000 is the current airline vying for elbow room and I kid you not when I say they have black and white computer print outs taped to placards in the ticketing area. So after a year or so of making absolutely no money the airlines - motivated by wanting to stay out of the dog house with their creditors and stock holders - close up shop and move on to more financially rewarding things.... Here in the game since we're only talking about imaginary money people make unfathomably horrible business decisions. Things that if done in real life would be front page news due to the insanity.
Now answer this, to chase out this competition, does DL order tons of 767s and 777s to CVG and push on 1 Dollar fares? EPWA (Warsaw, Poland) is also known to be under a monopoly (LOT) and is known to have higher landing fees (specifically for planes like 747), but it dosn't stop the LCCs from coming in and stealing LOT's pax. But then again, AM plays very differnetly from reality, which is a good thing, since you have to or else people won't play.
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WAW is alright, but you're correct, LOT owns it. I love your country by the way.
They don't drop it to one dollar (euro) no, but they do undercut the competition by $20-25. These "upstart" airlines usually fly routes to tourist destinations like Florida and the Gulf and Atlantic coasts so the fares are generally $99-$150. DL just adjusts their fares to $74-$100. They know what their bottom line is on the route and with todays accountants, they won't go below it, that's why I recommended on another thread a script that won't allow you go below a 1 euro profit on a route. For some planes that would mean a rock bottom fare of 35 euro and on another; 20.
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WAW is alright, but you're correct, LOT owns it. I love your country by the way.
They don't drop it to one dollar (euro) no, but they do undercut the competition by $20-25. These "upstart" airlines usually fly routes to tourist destinations like Florida and the Gulf and Atlantic coasts so the fares are generally $99-$150. DL just adjusts their fares to $74-$100. They know what their bottom line is on the route and with todays accountants, they won't go below it, that's why I recommended on another thread a script that won't allow you go below a 1 euro profit on a route. For some planes that would mean a rock bottom fare of 35 euro and on another; 20.
I know what you mean, but then it goes back to whether or not the airline can pay off the gate (like I mentioned earlier, you also need to make enough to pay off the gate). Some would also complain of hte game losing it's competitive advantage (though I think if the two airlines talk it out, some good could come out of it.)
I should add I live in the US (Central Florida to be exact), but I have visted Poland once when I was younger (Polish Blood, pretty much all family lives there.) Should probebly plan to make another trip to visit. Watching the Polish Channels we get from Satillite, seems quite a bit has changed since i was last there in 94', but Poland is quite nice, espeically in the country side.
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Zacopane = heaven. :)
Go before they convert to the Euro if they haven't already.
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I'd love to, but with so much school in the way for me these days, making the time to go is pretty hard. :cry: