Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: a1b23 on January 30, 2008, 06:13:43 pm
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What happened to HAMPO!!!!!!!!
He is not in the broker area!!
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What happened to HAMPO!!!!!!!!
He is not in the broker area!!
Check the title "Supporting Iran's Request for a 300m 742" In brokers section
EDIT: He seems to be closed now :?
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this is getting out of hand now. Ive requested that stephen to have a look at it! :x
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What exactly do you feel is getting out of hand now? Hampo closing? If that's the only problem, it'll fix itself I guess.
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What exactly do you feel is getting out of hand now? Hampo closing? If that's the only problem, it'll fix itself I guess.
No, while youve been away (and me waiting weeks) I've been asking for a 742 at 300million seeing as you were away, i would ask someone else. all of a sudden everyone in the forums have turned against me, and Hampo being one of them has been rude to me saying shut up constantly! Now can I have my 742 please?
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Then just ask someone else. Skylite and Dex are open. I can't imagine everyone on the forums has suddenly turned against you just because you want to order something from another broker. (Place a request if you're too desperate).
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Then just ask someone else. Skylite and Dex are open. I can't imagine everyone on the forums has suddenly turned against you just because you want to order something from another broker. (Place a request if you're too desperate).
are you trying to tell me you havnt ordered it? :x I requested the 742 with RR engines about 3 weeks ago and have PM'ed you neumerous times!
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That's the normal way all brokers operate. We only get discounts if we accept requests. I don't particularly like that system, but it works that way and I can't change it.
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That's the normal way all brokers operate. We only get discounts if we accept requests. I don't particularly like that system, but it works that way and I can't change it.
I ordered it via the e-store and you confirmed it with a PM on this message board!
Your orders are #9 in waiting list, so it shouldn't be too long.
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That's the normal way all brokers operate. We only get discounts if we accept requests. I don't particularly like that system, but it works that way and I can't change it.
I ordered it via the e-store and you confirmed it with a PM on this message board!
Your orders are #9 in waiting list, so it shouldn't be too long.
I confirmed your order. I didn't, however, confirm I ordered it, because I didn't. The E-Store, most notably in Terms and Conditions, do state that orders for sale can only be made with in-game requests.
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for people who are making fun of me, In your sodding faces
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w302/DME43/fsscr000-24.jpg)
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Once again:
I confirmed your order. I didn't, however, confirm I ordered it, because I didn't. The E-Store, most notably in Terms and Conditions, do state that orders for sale can only be made with in-game requests.
The image you posted doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
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How many brokers do you know (excluding you) that take 4 weeks to deliver a aircraft?
any seller or lessor should Know to promptly deliver that aircraft. 24hours is enough (unless they have to order the aircraft) for delivery. I ordered the 742 from you and I've heard it takes 7-10 real time days. You have taken around about 3 weeks
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Given the circumstances we're talking about in this particular case, there are bound to be some.
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& your e-store hasnt been working therefore not allowing me to reorder
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This debate continues in 1.1 hours I have to go to a lesson.
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Dear Iranair777,
Something went wrong. Mea Culpa. Apart from this game people also have a life. Life takes priority over a game. We haven't turned against you. It is just that no-one feels generous enough to give you a 747-200 for such a huge discount. It is a game, lighten up a little bit. It is not as if someone is cheating you or as if someone opened all 1 Euro routes in the middle East.
Waerth
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& your e-store hasnt been working therefore not allowing me to reorder
If you don't mind, I'm gonna kick-start the second part of the debate already.
Can't help that, it's an internal server error for which I know the probable cause, just not the best solution.
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ermmm just hijacking this thread ;)
I spot a VFW-614 and 7 Fokker F28 Fellowship 1000's and 2 SE 210 Caravelle 12's and 5 Fairchild Hiller FH-227B in someone's fleet ..... care to get rid of these ?
...................... runs away
Waerth
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ermmm just hijacking this thread ;)
I spot a VFW-614 and 7 Fokker F28 Fellowship 1000's and 2 SE 210 Caravelle 12's and 5 Fairchild Hiller FH-227B in someone's fleet ..... care to get rid of these ?
...................... runs away
Waerth
Whose fleet would that be? :? :wink:
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Holland!!!! Holland !!!!
:roll:
Waerth
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I think I might want to sell them, yes.
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Just send them over, no discount needed (but if you feel generous but am willing to pay full to give you some cash!) I currently have 20 mill. I am making 12.5 mill now but that is because of 84% loadfactor. Once I restore that tonight I should be close to or over 14 mill an hour again. So I feel I could pay for the whole lot in 24 hours give or take!
Waerth
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Sent all.
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thks when I come back home from playing comedy I will start taking them. I actually have to run off now.
Waerth
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My comments are...
1. Even I don't require prior notice for people to send in requests, they experience delays when they send in request for B747's, just because that take up too much cash. So, as MrOrange says, this is how brokers operate.
2. IranAir777's attitude could possibly isolate himself from the brokers, resulting in being blacklisted and turn down from our service in the fear of bad publicity. If the wait is inevitable, and if the complaint of the wait is inevitable, then why should we even offer to take the request?
3. No aircraft sales is allowed out of the 2 A-Z threads. Waerth, PM MrOrange please in the future.
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Once again:
I confirmed your order. I didn't, however, confirm I ordered it, because I didn't. The E-Store, most notably in Terms and Conditions, do state that orders for sale can only be made with in-game requests.
The image you posted doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
that coming from the one who requested that I get proof
Something went wrong. Mea Culpa. Apart from this game people also have a life. Life takes priority over a game. We haven't turned against you. It is just that no-one feels generous enough to give you a 747-200 for such a huge discount. It is a game, lighten up a little bit. It is not as if someone is cheating you or as if someone opened all 1 Euro routes in the middle East.
Waerth
I know that people in this forum have a life, and so do I, but its the way people have been treating me in the forums and the fact that mrorange hasnt ordered my plane even when he confirmed it. yes most of you have turned against me especially hampo who was being rude by saying shutup a couple of times.
note to self: Never ask a simple question like I will buy this plane in these forums again. its against the forum rules to ask something as simple. If you do, consequences will be jokes made about you, Jokes in sigs (although it is funny ;) ) and a week of you being used as a comedy.
I didn't mind one or two comments, but 30 or so comments (out the top of my head) and repeats of peoples comments is what has made me upset
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Don't mind Ms Hampo. She is just grumpy at this time of the month. :P
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Don't mind Ms Hampo. She is just grumpy at this time of the month. :P
Hampo is a she :shock:
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At the time when there were many public broker requests I accepted those that gave me biggest reward (in time and cash). In fact I mainly accepted 24-hour-deliveries. 2% markup for 43M aircraft (24 hours) is better than 2% for a 71M aircraft (48 hours). I could re-use the money earlier. I think especially in the beginning the official brokers do the same. They need to grow fast to handle the bigger demand in the later days of the game. If someone would request 1x B742 I would rather accept 5x B732Adv. I dont know if the official brokers do FIFO :roll: If I was in your position and really needed that B747 I would place a request on the open market or buy it from the manufacturer.
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Iran777
No offense, but I think you misunderstand how the brokerage system works. please check that again in wiki or enquire with someone.
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I do know how the brokerage system works to what it says in wiki
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then you should know that brokers aren't forced to take your orders
and EVEN if they did do, as long as they have no cash, they won't be able to fulfill it
A 742 requires a large amount of cash available compared to a singe 732adv for instance
hope this clears things up for you :wink:
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then you should know that brokers aren't forced to take your orders
and EVEN if they did do, as long as they have no cash, they won't be able to fulfill it
A 742 requires a large amount of cash available compared to a singe 732adv for instance
I already knew the rules and I know that brokers arn't forced to take my order up. What has angered me in this forum is on the other page and what has increased this is that Mrorange confirmed the order as 9th in the queue and 3 weeks on nothing. if I knew he was going to take this long I would have payed for my own 742, but I didn't want to buy 2 742's cause I was waiting for orange to contact me (and yes, i did contact him)
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Iranair,
The relationship you may or may not have with a broker is based on mutual respect. The more antagonistic you become, the more you alienate not only MrOrange, but all the brokers in the game. Do yourself a favour and reign in that attitude. No broker will accept your 742 order, live with it. When MrOrange told you, you were 9th in the queue he was very clear in stating that your order had not been accepted, only orders processed and accepted in-game are valid. You wongly assumed that your order had been processed. Do your self and other players a favor and read the Wiki and keep your ranting in private. The more you rant in a public forum, the more you leave yourself open to be ridiculed.
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try a different broker
im not saying Orange is bad, but what you can do is wait for the order to be automatically cancelled so you can order from Skylite.
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Iranair,
The relationship you may or may not have with a broker is based on mutual respect. The more antagonistic you become, the more you alienate not only MrOrange, but all the brokers in the game. Do yourself a favour and reign in that attitude. No broker will accept your 742 order, live with it. When MrOrange told you, you were 9th in the queue he was very clear in stating that your order had not been accepted, only orders processed and accepted in-game are valid. You wongly assumed that your order had been processed. Do your self and other players a favor and read the Wiki and keep your ranting in private. The more you rant in a public forum, the more you leave yourself open to be ridiculed.
firstly Im not ranting to mrorange, just putting things straight to why he didnt order my plane and it took him 3 weeks to say so
Secondly, I have not left myself out in the open to be ridiculed, but by just me asking a perfectly legal question, everyone has started to ridicule me. I myself do not see anywhere on these forums (and the internet) that asking for a 747 on airline mogul for a price of 300million is against any of the rules and laws. If it was stephen would have put it in the terms and conditions.
thirdly heres what I said before:
I know that people in this forum have a life, and so do I, but its the way people have been treating me in the forums and the fact that mrorange hasnt ordered my plane even when he confirmed it. yes most of you have turned against me especially hampo who was being rude by saying shutup a couple of times.
note to self: Never ask a simple question like I will buy this plane in these forums again. its against the forum rules to ask something as simple. If you do, consequences will be jokes made about you, Jokes in sigs (although it is funny ) and a week of you being used as a comedy.
I didn't mind one or two comments, but 30 or so comments (out the top of my head) and repeats of peoples comments is what has made me upset
so everyone now get off my back :x
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MrOrange did not order your plane, because he did not feel like it, entirely his choice. Now go and order yourself one ingame and let it go.
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MrOrange did not order your plane, because he did not feel like it, entirely his choice. Now go and order yourself one ingame and let it go.
3 weeks is a long time to go without having any contact with your clients
what has made me angry is not mrorange being late, its that mainly some !d!ots in this forum who think its alright to make fun of contstantly (more than the level that is past the joke barrier) someone.
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iranair777, this conversation is going nowhere.
-If you are not satisfied with MrOrange's service, stop using it.
-If you want MrOrange to accept your request now, you would have to ask him.
-If you want everyone to know that MrOrange can't deliever a 747 within 3 weeks, we all now know that, and it looks like not many people sympathize with you.
-If you want other players to say it is unfair for MrOrange to hold up your order for 3 weeks, it is unfair, but life is unfair.
-If you want other players to help pressure MrOrange to magically get you the plane, unfortunately it doesn't look like that would happen anytime soon.
so... really.... could you state clearly and simplistically what you would like to get out of this conversation please? Please give us a solution to put things right for you. You have repeatedly stated your dissatisfaction but have not suggested anything that we could do to help resolve this situation. Thanks for your cooperation.
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in before the lock that I know dktc will implement! :D
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in before the lock that I know dktc will implement! :D
I just want to see what else he wants to say before locking it.
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iranair777, this conversation is going nowhere.
-If you are not satisfied with MrOrange's service, stop using it. Only problem with orange is the time it takes
-If you want MrOrange to accept your request now, you would have to ask him. I'm guessing it'll take 10 more days, therefore no point cause rounds over soon
-If you want everyone to know that MrOrange can't deliever a 747 within 3 weeks, we all now know that, and it looks like not many people sympathize with you. I have not been looking for symathy what so ever
-If you want other players to say it is unfair for MrOrange to hold up your order for 3 weeks, it is unfair, but life is unfair. I never said its unfair, I said that the fact he didnt contact or say anything about my order
-If you want other players to help pressure MrOrange to magically get you the plane, unfortunately it doesn't look like that would happen anytime soon. I have in no way told anyone to pressure orange for a aircraft and I dont want to anyway :x
so... really.... could you state clearly and simplistically what you would like to get out of this conversation please? Please give us a solution to put things right for you. You have repeatedly stated your dissatisfaction but have not suggested anything that we could do to help resolve this situation.
I already have stated:
- For people to not make fun of me again (see other posts and threads, especially the aircraft forum)
Thanks for your cooperation.
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Iranair,
I will broker a 742 for you at -2%, just to put an end to this. I don't even care if I loose money on the deal, I make 5 billion a day, a level I have reached without using the brokerage system.
Send your request to me 7488 and you will have it in 7 days.
dak,
Thinking of solutions just to shut people up.
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wait need to edit
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Iranair,
Thinking of solutions just to shut people up.
^:lol:
whens the round ending?
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From your fellow Airline Mogul player's, especially AzZellon and Hampo,
Dear IranAir "The Comedian" 777,
Thank you.. Thank for the past few day's where joy was brought to us, you have made us roll on the floor, you broke rib's of people due to excessive laughter, there were several cases where tear's were shed in the valiant purpose of your written request's. Thank you, for entertaining the masses of this forum through act's of foolish request's, acting through the advice of other's even though you purposely mentioned that you did not require such advice since you were a self-super-hero that can do absolutely anything, not to mention the brave act of asking for something excessively huge for something excessivly miniature, yet what made us enjoy your frantic act's is that you kept valiantly going on thinking that your request will be provided, it is simply amazing, we have barely seen a human being; if that is the case, persevere onward's through such act's of bravery and belittlisation of one'self. Thank you again for being the comedian you are, we love you for that and offer you all the applauds and smiles toward's your amazing cause of leading humanity toward's the sewer.
Love, AzZellon, Hampo, the rest of the forum.
P.S. Call me in half a century when you get what you want..
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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From your fellow Airline Mogul player's, especially AzZellon and Hampo,
Dear IranAir "The Comedian" 777,
Thank you.. Thank for the past few day's where joy was brought to us, you have made us roll on the floor, you broke rib's of people due to excessive laughter, there were several cases where tear's were shed in the valiant purpose of your written request's. Thank you, for entertaining the masses of this forum through act's of foolish request's, acting through the advice of other's even though you purposely mentioned that you did not require such advice since you were a self-super-hero that can do absolutely anything, not to mention the brave act of asking for something excessively huge for something excessivly miniature, yet what made us enjoy your frantic act's is that you kept valiantly going on thinking that your request will be provided, it is simply amazing, we have barely seen a human being; if that is the case, persevere onward's through such act's of bravery and belittlisation of one'self. Thank you again for being the comedian you are, we love you for that and offer you all the applauds and smiles toward's your amazing cause of leading humanity toward's the sewer.
Love, AzZellon, Hampo, the rest of the forum.
P.S. Call me in half a century when you get what you want..
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you found my simple query rid shattering funny, I suggest you get a phsycologist cause a question that simple couldnt have been funny.
I am not here as a comedian (although I make jokes that are not so rib shatteringly funny)
I am shocked at how dumb people on these forums are to just laugh at someone requesting a 747. Shame on all of you.
although the only funny outcome of this question which you all have taken it in a very childish way is the joke in your sig
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hmm... k.
You don't want people to make fun of you. Fine. I will add it to the forum rules.
We are making fun of each other as it is (eg. I makes fun of Hampo and Stephen often enough... and some of you make fun of me). This is just how a forum works. However, if you want to be left alone, that could be done as well.
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hmm... k.
You don't want people to make fun of you. Fine. I will add it to the forum rules.
We are making fun of each other as it is (eg. I makes fun of Hampo and Stephen often enough... and some of you make fun of me). This is just how a forum works. However, if you want to be left alone, that could be done as well.
i didnt mind it when it was 1 or 2, but when there has been constant making fun of in these past couple of days with no intervention, you get the jist and thats whats made me :x
anyway, whats a forum when you cant make a few jokes about someone? but the amount I recieved is over the joke limit
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Oh come on.. loosen up I just wrote up a friggin love letter to Iranair, did'nt find anything funny about it. 8)
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Now that we're on that road, I might as well go along.
It's not so much me holding up the order for 3 weeks, it's more like me having no internet and no time to do anything AM-related for 3 weeks.
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Now that we're on that road, I might as well go along.
It's not so much me holding up the order for 3 weeks, it's more like me having no internet and no time to do anything AM-related for 3 weeks.
I did know that you didnt have the internet for a few weeks (after yesterday evening) but theres many places where you can visit the internet. Like dont you have emails to check, work to do etc? You may now say that some people have a life, I have a life also, But I put time aside to do with things that I do in my spare time
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Oh come on.. loosen up I just wrote up a friggin love letter to Iranair, did'nt find anything funny about it. 8)
If you thought that was a love letter, you better brush up on it and soon :lol:
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what I also dont like about the fact that most of you have made fun of me (over the joke limit) is that now my brokerage and airlines image has come down
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First off, I must say that I enjoy iranair's unintentional comedy. Top marks to dktc for managing this perfectly well.
Secondly, I've found that orders via in-game brokers take time. Lots of time. You never quite know when the plane is going to show up, and you usually don't know how much it's going to cost when it does. It's annoying, especially when you've got a chunk of cash set aside for the plane, but it's worth it in the end for the deals you get.
Third, I'm in Orange's alliance, and he's been noticeably absent for a while now. That tells me that he's got one of those weird things known as a 'real life' that's probably taking priority over satisfying an irrationally angry webgame player.
Fourth, why a Middle Eastern airline in this game would want a 747 is beyond me. The turn times are so long that you can't use it for lots of short-haul routes, since the plane ends up spending more time on the ground than in the air. That means you can only do long-haul with it, and there aren't many long-haul routes that you can make enough profit from to justify using a 747. I'm a small-continent airline myself, and the biggest thing I can use is a 727. For us, the only thing a 747 is useful for is leasing out to people who are stupid enough to take it.
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yeah, get a 737 biz jet, they work much better
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Now that we're on that road, I might as well go along.
It's not so much me holding up the order for 3 weeks, it's more like me having no internet and no time to do anything AM-related for 3 weeks.
I did know that you didnt have the internet for a few weeks (after yesterday evening) but theres many places where you can visit the internet. Like dont you have emails to check, work to do etc? You may now say that some people have a life, I have a life also, But I put time aside to do with things that I do in my spare time
I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you can manage all that. What I'm not too sure about is the importance of certain elements in your real-life. If I have to work on a 12.000-word essay on effective programming of theatres, it most definitely takes up more time than anything else. In fact, I spend about 2 weeks writing that thing, leaving no time at all for going to some internet café (the nearest one of which is about 30 minutes away by bus, if you really care) to check up on a game. I did have emails to check, and the little time I had went into checking emails for work and school. Not into checking AM-related emails.
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First off, I must say that I enjoy iranair's unintentional comedy. Top marks to dktc for managing this perfectly well.
Secondly, I've found that orders via in-game brokers take time. Lots of time. You never quite know when the plane is going to show up, and you usually don't know how much it's going to cost when it does. It's annoying, especially when you've got a chunk of cash set aside for the plane, but it's worth it in the end for the deals you get.
Third, I'm in Orange's alliance, and he's been noticeably absent for a while now. That tells me that he's got one of those weird things known as a 'real life' that's probably taking priority over satisfying an irrationally angry webgame player.
If you read the thread properly I did mention that I have a life as well and that I am not angry about orange but all of you
Fourth, why a Middle Eastern airline in this game would want a 747 is beyond me. The turn times are so long that you can't use it for lots of short-haul routes, since the plane ends up spending more time on the ground than in the air. That means you can only do long-haul with it, and there aren't many long-haul routes that you can make enough profit from to justify using a 747. I'm a small-continent airline myself, and the biggest thing I can use is a 727. For us, the only thing a 747 is useful for is leasing out to people who are stupid enough to take it.
I know this to be a weakness but I personally do my aircraft checks before I actually buy an aircraft
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Now that we're on that road, I might as well go along.
It's not so much me holding up the order for 3 weeks, it's more like me having no internet and no time to do anything AM-related for 3 weeks.
I did know that you didnt have the internet for a few weeks (after yesterday evening) but theres many places where you can visit the internet. Like dont you have emails to check, work to do etc? You may now say that some people have a life, I have a life also, But I put time aside to do with things that I do in my spare time
I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you can manage all that. What I'm not too sure about is the importance of certain elements in your real-life. If I have to work on a 12.000-word essay on effective programming of theatres, it most definitely takes up more time than anything else. In fact, I spend about 2 weeks writing that thing, leaving no time at all for going to some internet café (the nearest one of which is about 30 minutes away by bus, if you really care) to check up on a game. I did have emails to check, and the little time I had went into checking emails for work and school. Not into checking AM-related emails.
its called having spare time. everyone in this world should have at least 5 mins off as a rest for things that they like to do as extra. I'm sorry to say this but if you do not/ cannot have 5 mins to spare, then why be a broker?
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5 minutes won't do you much good if the nearest internet cafe is 30 minutes away
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I agree with Max, plus Iranair I warned you before that if this was to continue you would be airline no.8 in my list.. This is just the forum, you don't want me to start doing the same in-game. Also please watch the way your talking to Orange.
Now I just have a question because this has gone way past the red line.. Iranair, mate, what do you want, once and for all what do you want to happen.. Just tell me and we'll solve this, it's time to shut this door.
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i could help you too if you wanted ;)
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I agree with Max, plus Iranair I warned you before that if this was to continue you would be airline no.8 in my list.. This is just the forum, you don't want me to start doing the same in-game. Also please watch the way your talking to Orange.
Now I just have a question because this has gone way past the red line.. Iranair, mate, what do you want, once and for all what do you want to happen.. Just tell me and we'll solve this, it's time to shut this door.
I didnt say anything rude to orange so please dont say that to me (if you found me saying that you shouldnt be a broker, then I dont know whats wrong with that)
I want people to stop making fun of me just cause I asked for a 747 in the forums and that my brokerage and airline image to go back to normal
Closed.
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Do you even understand the basic idea behind college?
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One college year is divided into four quarters, in which (in Holland) you usually have two courses. At the beginning of each course, usually there's plenty of free time to do fun stuff, such as going out with friends, swimming or even playing online games. However, when the quarter reaches it's end, things can get really busy, leaving almost no time for fun stuff. This busy time may only last like two weeks, or even only three days, but it is still very, very busy.
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Okay Iranair you got what you asked for..
I didnt say anything rude to orange so please dont say that to me (if you found me saying that you shouldnt be a broker, then I dont know whats wrong with that)
I want people to stop making fun of me just cause I asked for a 747 in the forums and that my brokerage and airline image to go back to normal
Closed.
Orange - (I'm sorry mate.. Please understand me if you can..), Iranair does'nt need anymore from anyone else in this forum, I and Hampo already gave him our dues so it's enough for now mate. So please forget this matter and let's start all over, it's hypertext mate not verbal wording.. So it should'nt be taken seriously. :)
Iranair - We will stop talking about your lovely 747, but please understand this request will not be provided to you, build yourself by yourself mate. :) Don't worry your airline image is okay, it's just a game, people will forget this in a week or two so don't think about it too much. I'm sure we don't hate you or have bad thought's on your side, on the contrary you gave us a good laugh and it's all good, I'm sure your liked - I do. :wink: (Please no remark's on the last two word's)
Everyone cool off.. He's by himself against a horde..
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Wow look what i've caused...
Calm down Iran.
We're only having a joke with you, in case you hadn't noticed...
Take everything i say with a pinch of salt boi
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its all your fault hampo! :(
just kidding. sometimes its funny up to a certain point, then they take it too far (just ask MaitlandAir). But, after awhile, everybody is happy again (once again, ask MaitlandAir). :D
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As i said, take everything i say with a pinch of salt.
TBH, take everything anyone says on the internet with a pinch of salt! You can't always get the right 'impression' on forums ;)
Time for me to lurk in the shadows some more! toodles!
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No answer from Iran? where did he go, am getting withdrawal symptons.
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he logged off
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Well, back to work then. End of comedy hour.
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Oh no....i come when the show's already over :(
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Oh no....i come when the show's already over :(
poor gagah :P
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Oh no....i come when the show's already over :(
poor gagah :P
maybe i have to make my own show in the future....ordering 732 for 5 mill maybe? :twisted:
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Guy's stop it.. We already over-did it anyway.. Someone lock this thread PLEASE it's not funny anymore.
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I know...i just directly eat the bait after reading another else's post :D
Sorry to everybody, didn't mean to heat up again, really :wink:
ok...time to lock....moderator......!