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Airline Mogul => Game Data => Topic started by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 10:35:27 am

Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 10:35:27 am
Found a list with pax data for 57 airports in Russia/CIS. Some are already in the game - others not yet :wink:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: StephenM on January 21, 2008, 10:43:23 am
Fantastic, I was waiting for something like this.  8)

Plans Aer Solas's move to Russia and selling off all Western Aircraft :P
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 11:18:57 am
Took me a loooong time to find those. But first I need to get the airports in Nigeria done. Air Elbonia is waiting for them :wink:

Some pax updates are nice:
DME 13.96M -> 15.37
KGD 0.31M -> 0.8M
VKO 4.8M -> 5.12M

But bad news for Samara: Instead of 5M as written in the game there were just 1.14M in 2006
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 02:44:21 pm
As I am going thru this list I found;

UHNN Nikolayevsk-na-Amure

Unfortunatly no 3-Letter-Code/runway data at GCM. Does anyone know a different source where to get those?
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: dktc on January 21, 2008, 03:05:11 pm
Quote from: "AirHanoverInternational"
As I am going thru this list I found;

UHNN Nikolayevsk-na-Amure

Unfortunatly no 3-Letter-Code/runway data at GCM. Does anyone know a different source where to get those?



Try google :P

Seriously, type in UHNN airport in google and you should be able to find the 3 letter code.

The runway length... try searching in google as well. There are some websites out there that have it, and the best you could do is try finding some news report or development / project proposals / updates on the web.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 03:17:39 pm
Quote from: "dktc"

Try google :P

Seriously, type in UHNN airport in google and you should be able to find the 3 letter code.

The runway length... try searching in google as well. There are some websites out there that have it, and the best you could do is try finding some news report or development / project proposals / updates on the web.


I did search google. The only 3-Letter-Code I could find is the regional one: НЛК (which would be NLK). But thats not the IATA one. I could not find it on World Aero Data either. :cry:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: dktc on January 21, 2008, 03:25:26 pm
My best guess is it doesn't have an IATA. use something like Z10 or sth~
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 03:39:14 pm
Quote from: "dktc"
My best guess is it doesn't have an IATA. use something like Z10 or sth~


Should I also guess the RWY length? :wink: I guess I will skip that airport until data will be available.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: waerth on January 21, 2008, 03:43:17 pm
If I cannot find runway length I usually enter the airport. That can be done later. The missing Iata .... well there are some of those, but if the data is official just give it ZYW for no as I know that one is free. And make a note in the source line saying no official IATA code found.

Waerth
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 04:43:45 pm
Finished to submit airports from the mentioned list. Unfortunatly there are plenty airports in Russia that have no websites. And other sources for pax data are really hard to find.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: waerth on January 21, 2008, 05:38:47 pm
I will look into that. Same source as I used for the pacific islands and am now using for Myanmar. It gives most of the scheduled flights and the seating capacities on those flights. If done for Amsterdam Schiphol with this source, Amsterdam would have 21 mill. I checked some other airports with it that I have official figures for. Usually this alternative source will give a lower number. So it doesn't inflate pax numbers! As not all airlines scheduled flights are on there. It can be a $#@$ using it though as you have to add things up and get the right frequencies.

Waerth
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 21, 2008, 05:43:10 pm
Those Russian airports are in the game now!
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: LOT 737-300 on January 21, 2008, 07:37:55 pm
Wow, thanks for helping add in all those russian airports. Really gives an economic advantage for basing in the CCCP. :D
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 21, 2008, 08:21:34 pm
Quote from: "AirHanoverInternational"
Took me a loooong time to find those. But first I need to get the airports in Nigeria done. Air Elbonia is waiting for them :wink:

Some pax updates are nice:
DME 13.96M -> 15.37
KGD 0.31M -> 0.8M
VKO 4.8M -> 5.12M

But bad news for Samara: Instead of 5M as written in the game there were just 1.14M in 2006


Strange. I found the info in breeze. Lucky google link :lol:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 21, 2008, 09:00:08 pm
Im confused why KHV has more pax than VVO.... VVO has more pax, last time I checked...... :?
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Maestro69 on January 22, 2008, 05:29:51 am
Who's the go to person to give updated pax figures? :)
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Air Elbonia on January 22, 2008, 06:23:53 am
anyone at :staff: at the moment... Stephen, myself and rick have been updating when we can.  if it's a pretty small number of airports pm me, i may be able to get to it in the morning.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Maestro69 on January 22, 2008, 06:55:55 am
Quote from: "Air Elbonia"
anyone at :staff: at the moment... Stephen, myself and rick have been updating when we can.  if it's a pretty small number of airports pm me, i may be able to get to it in the morning.


I dont have any at the moment. Just im going to start updating my database a bit, so guess i could always help out u guys by providing the research i get. Anyways, guess ill save that email somewhere.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on January 22, 2008, 08:26:26 am
Quote from: "Seattle"
Im confused why KHV has more pax than VVO.... VVO has more pax, last time I checked...... :?


Well, you may check the russian airport associations website for that numbers. As I can see they are from 2006. I dont know where the earlier numbers came from but some seemed to be guesses (like KUF) :roll:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 22, 2008, 02:43:07 pm
Quote from: "AirHanoverInternational"
Quote from: "Seattle"
Im confused why KHV has more pax than VVO.... VVO has more pax, last time I checked...... :?


Well, you may check the russian airport associations website for that numbers. As I can see they are from 2006. I dont know where the earlier numbers came from but some seemed to be guesses (like KUF) :roll:


well, I emailed the airport at VVO :D

I deleted the email, but they said, that they recorded just over 1.2 million pax.... :? So, CONFLICT!!!! :shock:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AndyC on January 22, 2008, 10:41:59 pm
Well that's a base of mine (Samara) completely wrecked.  :roll:

May I SUGGEST that when updating airports and dropping the pax numbers into a different category, that you wait till round-change to make those updates, because, as I have just discovered, it really pisses people off when they have to now spend a number of days catching up to where they rightfully were in the first place.

 :evil:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 22, 2008, 11:13:25 pm
Quote from: "AndyC"
Well that's a base of mine (Samara) completely wrecked.  :roll:

May I SUGGEST that when updating airports and dropping the pax numbers into a different category, that you wait till round-change to make those updates, because, as I have just discovered, it really pisses people off when they have to now spend a number of days catching up to where they rightfully were in the first place.

 :evil:


However, its nice to know that both the base airports your in, also have there pax numbers doubled :D
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AndyC on January 22, 2008, 11:30:13 pm
Then hold back on those updates too - I have lost a lot of time and nearly 100m in value because of this.  :roll:

It will take me days to get back to where I was.. that is my point.  :idea:
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 22, 2008, 11:37:23 pm
Gate costs are less :P
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AndyC on January 22, 2008, 11:43:03 pm
I don't think you are looking at the right airline - I have six bases.

I have closed Samara as it's now a lost cause for me - big planes making 9000eur on most routes. I will use the spare aircraft (lots of them) on other routes.  :x
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: Seattle on January 23, 2008, 01:00:35 am
Samara looks like the perfect base for me! Its pax count is so high! (compared to VVO, KHV, and UUS)
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: UIA on March 31, 2008, 08:05:11 am
KBP->5,600,000
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on March 31, 2008, 04:45:34 pm
Quote from: "UIA"
KBP->5,600,000


You should always name a source.
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: UIA on March 31, 2008, 08:03:42 pm
Quote from: "AirHanoverInternational"
You should always name a source.
wiki is alright? cuz a haven't found annual report on off web-site of airport, just news that in oct-november it carried 5th mln passenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boryspil_International_Airport
and http://www.boryspil.kiev.ua/ in news from 16.11.07 about 5mln pax
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on March 31, 2008, 11:22:19 pm
Quote from: "UIA"
wiki is alright? cuz a haven't found annual report on off web-site of airport, just news that in oct-november it carried 5th mln passenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boryspil_International_Airport
and http://www.boryspil.kiev.ua/ in news from 16.11.07 about 5mln pax


AFAIK wiki is not alright (if it doesnt name its source). I read some russian online news that say the number of passangers at Boryspil was roughly about 5.7M. But its not me to decide what numbers make it into the game :)
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: UIA on April 08, 2008, 06:44:01 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boryspil_International_Airport
and http://www.boryspil.kiev.ua/ in news from 16.11.07 about 5mln pax
http://www.aviation.com.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?p=57387#57387 (insider information about traffic-5675000 rounded to thousands...in russian)
Title: Russian/CIS airports
Post by: AirHanoverInternational on April 08, 2008, 08:32:00 am
Quote from: "UIA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boryspil_International_Airport
and http://www.boryspil.kiev.ua/ in news from 16.11.07 about 5mln pax
http://www.aviation.com.ua/forum/viewtopic.php?p=57387#57387 (insider information about traffic-5675000 rounded to thousands...in russian)


Although this number seems to be right a forum site is not a reliable source. If this is an insider information you may ask him about his source (sorry, my russian is very limited and I do not have a russian keyboard. Otherwise I would have done it myself :wink: ).