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Non-Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: iranair777 on January 17, 2008, 03:19:56 pm
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a ba 777-200ER (G-YMMM) has come off the runway, well not off really, its managed to land just where 27L's lights are and then skidding to the beginning of 27L
heres the link, beware of the dumb media :roll:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7194086.stm
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1318129&size=L
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1318128&size=L
Would there be a ATC recording of the time? I wish I had my airband radio :( and I wish I could go to hatton cross now :(
BREAKING NEWS: Tow truck driver talked to the pilot of the plane who said he lost all power and avionics on approach and had to glide it in
got to say, the media needs a lot of pointers in aircraft accidents
Also, They are saying that 27L has reopened for takeoff only, how far down does a 744 need to go in order to not cause any jetblast and move the 777 out of its place?
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A/C, landed just inside the perimeter fence on the grass. Left main gear sheared off and aircraft skidded to a stop on the treshold of 27L on a 45 degree longitudinal angle to the centreline. All pax evacuated using slides, only 4 minor injuries. Flaps appear to be fully down at 30degrees, spoilers not deployed. APU door appears to be open. Total loss of power on final?
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A/C, landed just inside the perimeter fence on the grass. Left main gear sheared off and aircraft skidded to a stop on the treshold of 27L on a 45 degree longitudinal angle to the centreline. All pax evacuated using slides, only 4 minor injuries. Flaps appear to be fully down at 30degrees, spoilers not deployed. APU door appears to be open. Total loss of power on final?
read above, and the spoilers would be probably due to the gear being sheared off and not sensing the touchdown or touchingdown and not sensing the soft grass
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Looking at the emails from various groups I am on, I am glad I didn't catch it on Sky News. If they so badly report a story like this, what other items do the screw up completely? It happens over and over again when there are aviation crashes.
Glad nobody was killed, although it will be interesting to see what caused it. I'm guessing Windshear or a stall on account of the undershoot, but I could be wrong.
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Total loss of power on final?
If it was, the Ram Air Turbine would have deployed. And it would take a bit to get the APU up and running I'd say.
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You can't see the RAT, A/C is on its belly. Spoilers would still have deployed as they are powered by the accumulators
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The engines failed over hounslow and from that place to the threshold, it would have been impossible to go through the engine statup procedure even if the RAT is deployed or if the APU was started (which was as with pictures above)
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If both engines flame out, the APU starts automatically.
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You can't see the RAT, A/C is on its belly. Spoilers would still have deployed as they are powered by the accumulators
Spoilers would have probably be armed to landing and wouldnt probably had time to raise them bacause of the pressure on pilots of both engines failing. they knew that their gear was going to give way because their nose was up and they knew they were going to hit the ground before the threshold of 27L. Therefore arming the spoilers would have no effect.
http://www.flightglobal.com/AirSpace/photos/baboeing777accident/images/8124/original.aspx
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So they had a bit of time? Yeah I wasn't 100% on the location of the RAT. Lucky escape so!
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If both engines flame out, the APU starts automatically.
yh, but as I said, the time it would have taken to turn on the engines to the time to the threshold would be much more.
also, the BBC is now using aviation terms like Instument landing system and auxilary power unit :shock: :lol:
its also RR engines for anyone who is reading the post on a.net and saying that most of the BA 777 fleet have GE engines
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No point in speculating about what went on, because none of you know ;)
There will be so many different rumors going around about what happened, and most of them will be bullsh!t!
The pilots got the aircraft down safely, and only 3 people with minor injuries. Sky News are making it all out to be worse than it is, 'the aircraft glided within feet of houses before crashing into the ground and ripping to pieces'.
Sam
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The pilots got the aircraft down safely, and only 3 people with minor injuries. Sky News are making it all out to be worse than it is, 'the aircraft glided within feet of houses before crashing into the ground and ripping to pieces'.
Sam
correction, now theres 6 and typical media :lol:
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Spoilers are not raised manually, they go up automatically and are armed miles before landing as part of the pre landing checks.
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Spoilers are not raised manually, they go up automatically and are armed miles before landing as part of the pre landing checks.
I know, I'm saying that the sensors in the gears wouldnt have registered that the wheels had touchdown because it contacted the soggy grass which was soft at that time.
another picture
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1318132&size=L
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I don't watch SkyNews as its repeated ****. And yes as for speculation its not exactly accurate but its interesting to see what kind of theories are dreamt up (Such as on one group no mention was made to loss of power, it was all windshear) might as well read the report from the UK equivalent to the AAIU here.
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Oh sh*t, this looks like scrap metal :evil:
It's good to hear everybody got out with minor injuries!
(I don't really want to read the news tomorrow... they'll tear BA apart :roll: )
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I knew the T7 wouldnt keep its perfect record forever but for BA to be the one to have a crash really saddens me. At least it there were no fatalities.
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Just heard that the bbc called the T7 a "BA Airbus" :roll:
Media+Planes= Zombies!!!
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Aviation expert on the news didn't even know it had 6 bogies :roll:
I even heard that it had a double bird strike :shock:
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Just heard that the bbc called the T7 a "BA Airbus" :roll:
Media+Planes= Zombies!!!
:lol: I heard it on a.net and i was cracking up nope, media+planes=stand up comedy show for aviation fans :lol:
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Actually, I don't think it's funny. People belive the crap the BBC or its equivalents feed them. And that leads (for example) into the fact that there still are some people who think that
a) everybody could fly a 747 (actually, everybody can- but most only one time :twisted: )
b) a return to base because of birdstrike/nonretractable landing gear is a catastrophe
c) all these security measures implemented after 9/11 make sense
d) cabin crew is just a bunch of overpaid waiters who dare not to upgrade us on our 120€ ticket :roll:
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the reporter which is reporting at the threshold of 27L sound like hes drunk :lol:
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the reporter which is reporting at the threshold of 27L sound like hes drunk :lol:
He isn't? Didn't realize that :o
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There is a chance that this bird wont be scrapped as of now. If it is it will be the 2nd one ever and first by accident. Im hoping that it'll return to the skies. Funniest report I heard was from Some local station. "A British Airways, Boeing A380-800 crashed in London Heathrow Airport! This is the first crash of its kind and as of now, London's airport has been shut-down!" "The plane should be back in service tomorrow" :lol: Media. Red neck media. :lol:
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There is a chance that this bird wont be scrapped as of now. If it is it will be the 2nd one ever and first by accident. Im hoping that it'll return to the skies. Funniest report I heard was from Some local station. "A British Airways, Boeing A380-800 crashed in London Heathrow Airport! This is the first crash of its kind and as of now, London's airport has been shut-down!" "The plane should be back in service tomorrow" :lol: Media. Red neck media. :lol:
That was probably due to the reporter hearing the flight number and misunderstanding it, it was BA38 lol
And they sure must have some magic repairmen at LHR if they think it's a "fixer upper" and to return it into service today hahaha
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Speed Bird Down :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
I think i'll wait for National Geographic's Aircrash investigation.
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The first 777 to crash? :shock:
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not really a crash, a crash-landing, meaning landing real hardly on runway and then nose wheel and main gears break and the undercarriage touches the ground and the plane is destroyed. anyway, thee 777 is still a great bird
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There is a chance that this bird wont be scrapped as of now. If it is it will be the 2nd one ever and first by accident. Im hoping that it'll return to the skies. Funniest report I heard was from Some local station. "A British Airways, Boeing A380-800 crashed in London Heathrow Airport! This is the first crash of its kind and as of now, London's airport has been shut-down!" "The plane should be back in service tomorrow" :lol: Media. Red neck media. :lol:
I take it back about the reporter on BEEB being drunk, this reporter is/was drunk :lol:
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Speed Bird Down :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
I think i'll wait for National Geographic's Aircrash investigation.
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Press conference starting at 1600GMT on BBC news 24 (in 16 mins) check bbc site for link
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Who gives a stuff about the plane?
Planes can be replaced, lives cant...
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Who gives a stuff about the plane?
Planes can be replaced, lives cant...
That's true, but a missing plane can rip quite a hole into the plans of an airline.
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There is chance that the plane will return to service. All maters on insurance.
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1 plane won't make a difference for BA. But if the whole fleet is suspended, it may.
I highly doubt the aircraft will be returned to service, it would make more sense scrapping it to me.
Sam
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Let's hope it was a single occurence. If all BA T7s would have to be grounded that'd be a catastrophe
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1 plane won't make a difference for BA. But if the whole fleet is suspended, it may.
I highly doubt the aircraft will be returned to service, it would make more sense scrapping it to me.
Sam
All depends on the damage. They'll keep it if the cost to repair it isnt enormous.....
also, why would BA ground all its 777?
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Standard practice in aviation.
If it is a software problem or similar, it could be likely to happen again. BA would immediately ground the fleet until the problem is resolved
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also, why would BA ground all its 777?
Because they wouldn't want another accident within a week that might prove fatal!
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From the preliminary AAIB Report:
Initial indications from the interviews and Flight Recorder analyses show the flight and approach to have progressed normally until the aircraft was established on late finals for Runway 27L. At approximately 600 ft and 2 miles from touch down, the Autothrottle demanded an increase in thrust from the two engines but the engines did not respond. Following further demands for increased thrust from the Autothrottle, and subsequently the flight crew moving the throttle levers, the engines similarly failed to respond. The aircraft speed reduced and the aircraft descended onto the grass short of the paved runway surface.
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/latest_news/accident__heathrow_17_january_2008___initial_report.cfm