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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: DarthRobby on January 08, 2008, 04:20:54 am
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so, everyone i see has DOP's in the millions, while mine is, (as of now) 140,149, how the crap did you guys do that? i am making routes to major airports like crazy!
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=7566
what am i doing wrong?
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I felt like you in the beginning too - don't worry, you'll get there :)
Just have to keep buying planes and launching routes as fast as you can.
It also depends on the competition you're facing out of your hub - seems like there's a lot of big carriers based there.
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The key is to go fly as many routes as much as possible!
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"there's obviously a reason why they didn't succeed in the real world."
I dunno. I have now purchased more of a certain plane than was ever produced in the real world. Were you to put together the DOP for them, they would eclipse both of your DOP's quite easily.
In terms of the advice though, find routes that others are not serving or find a route that someone is and go to their price. Save up and buy another plane. Once you're confident in how well you can do with DOP on one plane, look at what is available in the used/lease market. Leased planes drive up your cost, but if you make money on them, you can reduce your capital needs and create profits and growth.
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Don't lease out any plane at the begining. what's the use? you can earn ten times as much flying the ac on routes.
it's strange that you are such a small airline at this stage of the game, when did you start?
Don't give up, find a good strategy and stick to it
enjoy :wink:
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I guess the good thing about starting late in AM is that u can focus on an airport between 3-5 mil pax and grow from there and grow a presence. Yes, u wont be as big as those at the big airports, but hey, gives ya some great clues for later rounds ;)
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I also got a dop of 360k. I started at a small airport (havanna), making it impossible to get a larger DOP.
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Iran air (my airline) is going out of tehran mehrabad with a gate value of 150,000 doesnt anything think this should be increased?
anyway, Ive got a DOP of 536,000 with a fleet of 5 aircraft + 1 on order (Fairchild Hiller F-27F)
here is my fleet:
Beech B99 1 DP: €113,541
CASA 202 Halcon 1 DP: €72,636
Convair 640 1 DP: €67,345
Fairchild Hiller F-27F 4 DP1: €140,809 DP2: €141,903 DP3: on order, arriving in 3 hours and I want to put it on the heathrow route DP4: On order, dont know what route can be profitable
I'm generally sticking to the fairchild Hiller F-27F for now
how can I make my airline more profitable?? I think I should be growing very quickly by now, but problem is that I'm not :?
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=679
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simply wait 'til you can afford to BUY bigger airplanes (100+ seats). They'll make more money.
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Iran air (my airline) is going out of tehran mehrabad with a gate value of 150,000 doesnt anything think this should be increased?
anyway, Ive got a DOP of 536,000 with a fleet of 5 aircraft + 1 on order (Fairchild Hiller F-27F)
here is my fleet:
Beech B99 1 DP: €113,541
CASA 202 Halcon 1 DP: €72,636
Convair 640 1 DP: €67,345
Fairchild Hiller F-27F 4 DP1: €140,809 DP2: €141,903 DP3: on order, arriving in 3 hours and I want to put it on the heathrow route DP4: On order, dont know what route can be profitable
I'm generally sticking to the fairchild Hiller F-27F for now
how can I make my airline more profitable?? I think I should be growing very quickly by now, but problem is that I'm not :?
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=679
As you can see, your B99 is returning 2,724,984 per day for an investment of 2.9MM while your F27 is returning 3,379,416 for an investment of 9.7MM. You are better off buying 3 B99's and get a return of 8.1MM for the price of one F27. Buying bigger aircraft too soon will keep you from growing. I got to a DOP of 4MM with only B99's, I ended up with 40 of them before I started getting bigger airplanes. Lease a few B99's, there is plenty on the market for 600k a month, returning you 2.7MM for the investment.
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so, everyone i see has DOP's in the millions, while mine is, (as of now) 140,149, how the crap did you guys do that? i am making routes to major airports like crazy!
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=7566
what am i doing wrong?
I also have a base at FUK and I did last round as well. While it was crappy early on, I liked it towards the end because it allowed me to fly to Europe without much competition (which was not the case at TPE).
If I were in your shoes, I'd grab a second base at HND asap (in spite of the fact that this could cause minor headaches for me); from HND, every single minor airport (even those with miniscule pax numbers) in Japan and Korea fetches 400+ on a 100-seat plane... so if you serve most of them, your DOP will shoot up to 10m in no time. Once you reach 10m, you'll have enough coin to add new bases elsewhere and grow exponentially. While HND is competitive (how could it not be, as the biggest airport in the region?), people there are pretty civil.
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Iran air (my airline) is going out of tehran mehrabad with a gate value of 150,000 doesnt anything think this should be increased?
anyway, Ive got a DOP of 536,000 with a fleet of 5 aircraft + 1 on order (Fairchild Hiller F-27F)
here is my fleet:
Beech B99 1 DP: €113,541
CASA 202 Halcon 1 DP: €72,636
Convair 640 1 DP: €67,345
Fairchild Hiller F-27F 4 DP1: €140,809 DP2: €141,903 DP3: on order, arriving in 3 hours and I want to put it on the heathrow route DP4: On order, dont know what route can be profitable
I'm generally sticking to the fairchild Hiller F-27F for now
how can I make my airline more profitable?? I think I should be growing very quickly by now, but problem is that I'm not :?
http://www.airlinemogul.com/airlinemogul/view_airline.php?id=679
As you can see, your B99 is returning 2,724,984 per day for an investment of 2.9MM while your F27 is returning 3,379,416 for an investment of 9.7MM. You are better off buying 3 B99's and get a return of 8.1MM for the price of one F27. Buying bigger aircraft too soon will keep you from growing. I got to a DOP of 4MM with only B99's, I ended up with 40 of them before I started getting bigger airplanes. Lease a few B99's, there is plenty on the market for 600k a month, returning you 2.7MM for the investment.
unfortuantly the B99 doesnt have enought range to get me to airports close to me. I am already flying to all the airports close to me so I am forced to buy aircraft with a longer range
can I just also ask, what is the formula to calculate the amount of money the aircraft makes every 24 hours in real life? I've tried doing it, but always doesnt come out as what is in the game (including the expenses) I'm a A level sudent but at the moment I've become quite dumb :lol:
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Iran,
I just looked at your route structure, you have long one frequency flights to the likes of AMS and FRA and are missing out on all the mid size airports in between. Rent some gates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey, Saudi and fly shorter routes. Forget about long EU flights for now. All my first routes where as close to my first base as I could find, this allows you to fly more flights in a 24 hour period per aircraft and giving you a better return
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Iran,
I just looked at your route structure, you have long one frequency flights to the likes of AMS and FRA and are missing out on all the mid size airports in between. Rent some gates in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey, Saudi and fly shorter routes. Forget about long EU flights for now. All my first routes where as close to my first base as I could find, this allows you to fly more flights in a 24 hour period per aircraft and giving you a better return
I have 2 Fairchild F27F's on order at the moment, one arriving now, So I'll put that on a couple of routes and see what the outcome will be :D thanks a lot, but have you got the formula?
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my DOP is low right now, I'm just waiting until i reach $36 mil cash and i can buy a 737. Watch for a mega DOP improvement. :D 8)
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Don't make the mistake that a lot of other small players make: be tempted by big airplanes.
I did not get a F27 untill I had 40 B99's
I moved up to 60 seaters once I had 50 F27's and did not buy a 737 untill I had 150 other aircraft.
Small airlines save up to buy a 737 and miss millions in revenue that can be generated with smaller airplanes, you would be hard pressed to get 800k DOP out of a 737, for a 36MM investment.
Don't buy a F27 untill your DOP is 10MM
Don't buy a 737 untill your DOP is 20-25MM
Don't even be tempted by a 747 untill your DOP is over 45MM!!!!
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my DOP is low right now, I'm just waiting until i reach $36 mil cash and i can buy a 737. Watch for a mega DOP improvement. :D 8)
36MM cash would buy you 8 F27's returning you a DOP of 4-5MM, you will never get that with a 737.
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Don't make the mistake that a lot of other small players make: be tempted by big airplanes.
I did not get a F27 untill I had 40 B99's
I moved up to 60 seaters once I had 50 F27's and did not buy a 737 untill I had 150 other aircraft.
Small airlines save up to buy a 737 and miss millions in revenue that can be generated with smaller airplanes, you would be hard pressed to get 800k DOP out of a 737, for a 36MM investment.
Don't buy a F27 untill your DOP is 10MM
Don't buy a 737 untill your DOP is 20-25MM
Don't even be tempted by a 747 untill your DOP is over 45MM!!!!
I have never gone above a DOP of 6 million, so your telling me that I will never be able to buy a 747 :(
also, is there a formula or not?
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There is no magic formula return depends on City pair, Aircraft, Competition, Route length, Turn time, Seats, Speed.
Getting a return of 100-150k on a B99 is average, allowing you to make a profit in 5-6 game days, or in other words allowing you to lease 3 more per game month on the return the first one generates.
This game is about compounded return on investment and you need to calculate the difference in return a lease makes versus a purchase. As we are a fair way into the game, leases get cheaper. Many smaller aircraft are available in the 10-15% bracket. This means that you can lease 8-10 aircraft for the purchase price of one. This allows you to make an immediate return and you can reinvest this in buying the same aircraft and then replacing your leased fleet.
dak
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There is no magic formula return depends on City pair, Aircraft, Competition, Route length, Turn time, Seats, Speed.
Getting a return of 100-150k on a B99 is average, allowing you to make a profit in 5-6 game days, or in other words allowing you to lease 3 more per game month on the return the first one generates.
This game is about compounded return on investment and you need to calculate the difference in return a lease makes versus a purchase. As we are a fair way into the game, leases get cheaper. Many smaller aircraft are available in the 10-15% bracket. This means that you can lease 8-10 aircraft for the purchase price of one. This allows you to make an immediate return and you can reinvest this in buying the same aircraft and then replacing your leased fleet.
dak
I see what you mean now :)
Thanks a lot, I'll try it out
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you need to find a careful balance. Don't lease too many aircraft and start replacing them as soon as your DOP allows you. Keep an eye on the Finance screen to see what your monthly lease cost is.
Hint: Don't underestimate the speed of an Aircraft as it will allow you to fly more frequencies per 24hours
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just one more question, In the game is there 31 days in the game month and is the profit of the aircraft how much money the plane gets every game day? (I've forgot all of these :lol: )
also if thats the case is this calculation corrent:
p=Profit that plane makes
g=gate costs
a=lease of aircraft
(p x 31)-(g+a)
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my DOP is low right now, I'm just waiting until i reach $36 mil cash and i can buy a 737. Watch for a mega DOP improvement. :D 8)
that's not the most clever. are you sure the 737 is what you need? it's not beacause everyone buys it that it will serve you right...
There are other planes available tha might be more useful than a 737
@Iran777: you should have been more focused on domestic and short/medium haul before going to Europe...
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my DOP is low right now, I'm just waiting until i reach $36 mil cash and i can buy a 737. Watch for a mega DOP improvement. :D 8)
that's not the most clever. are you sure the 737 is what you need? it's not beacause everyone buys it that it will serve you right...
There are other planes available tha might be more useful than a 737
@Iran777: you should have been more focused on domestic and short/medium haul before going to Europe...
I was thinking a profit of 110k on each route would be enough, because they still give me lots of money at the moment
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sure but for example 110k that's what I get with 2 short/medium routes(i.e less than 1000nm). Well less and less now due to competition but still
I once had a dc940 with a 800k DOP running on routes shorter than 1200nm.
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Does anyone know when multiworlds is coming in cause then I'll be able to move my base to US or europe :lol: and how many airlines would be in the multiworld?
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I'd say 2-12months :lol:
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Real time :D
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Real time :D
*euh... :( Extremely Disappionted
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My lovely DOP:
€524,427 :D
Fokker F27-400 €149,818
Antonov An-24V €169,178 (+1 on order)
Beech B99 51,624
Beech B99 47,564
Beech B99 40,954
Beech B99 65,290
As you can see, almost 3 beech's DOP will make one An-24V.
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As you can see, almost 3 beech's DOP will make one An-24V.
Depends on where you go :)
My AN-24V's range from 123K to 455K.
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just one more question, In the game is there 31 days in the game month and is the profit of the aircraft how much money the plane gets every game day? (I've forgot all of these :lol: )
also if thats the case is this calculation corrent:
p=Profit that plane makes
g=gate costs
a=lease of aircraft
(p x 31)-(g+a)
Nope, a game month consists of 24 days. Each day is an hour in real life. You forgot in your calculation the fees you need to pay when updating your routes (in case you do that.)
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just one more question, In the game is there 31 days in the game month and is the profit of the aircraft how much money the plane gets every game day? (I've forgot all of these :lol: )
also if thats the case is this calculation corrent:
p=Profit that plane makes
g=gate costs
a=lease of aircraft
(p x 31)-(g+a)
Nope, a game month consists of 24 days. Each day is an hour in real life. You forgot in your calculation the fees you need to pay when updating your routes (in case you do that.)
so does that mean every real life day is one month in the game? no wonder why it goes so fast
What will the correct formula be then? I'm asking for the formula so its easy for everyone to be able to calculate their profit
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Well, your monthly totals (for one REAL DAY) can be calculated on this basis:
DOP x 24 + leasing (out) fees - gate rental fees - leasing (in) fees - miscellanious expenses (such as route research fees)
The result of the formula above you will also find in the "Finance" screen: Projected Totals -> Profit/Loss. There is no need for manual calculation :wink:
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Well, your monthly totals (for one REAL DAY) can be calculated on this basis:
DOP x 24 + leasing (out) fees - gate rental fees - leasing (in) fees - miscellanious expenses (such as route research fees)
The result of the formula above you will also find in the "Finance" screen: Projected Totals -> Profit/Loss. There is no need for manual calculation :wink:
I love doing manual calculations when i know it will come out right :lol:
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Well, your monthly totals (for one REAL DAY) can be calculated on this basis:
DOP x 24 + leasing (out) fees - gate rental fees - leasing (in) fees - miscellanious expenses (such as route research fees)
The result of the formula above you will also find in the "Finance" screen: Projected Totals -> Profit/Loss. There is no need for manual calculation :wink:
I love doing manual calculations when i know it will come out right :lol:
Why not just leave it to Stephan? :lol:
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lol
and thank you for all the help, but it seems i get a lot less for domestic flight then international, is the profit on the routes already minus gate costs?
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No gates are an additional cost.
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ok, that makes a lot of sense, thanks!
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Actually, looking at it now it doesn't. There should be a comma after the first word. Hopefully, you understood that.
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no, i didn't understand that
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DOP is just what you make in one day on the plane flying the routes. Gates are considered a fixed cost and are not included in that.
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oh, well i understand that, and the comma thing now, instead of
No gates are an additional cost.
it should be
No, gates are an additional cost.
and i knew what DOP was
P.S. with the help of my alliance, i have tripled (or triced) it
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Yeah, it will improve maybe $600k. Not so sure that that's the best strategy.
Of course, everyone is making $1 routes now anyways. Put your 737 on some else's existing routes. You're forced to lower the route price quite a bit in order to fill your plane. The person then crashes the price of the route and you're stuck with a very small DOP for something that you've been saving up for days for.
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Well, mines at a cheery 650,000 :P
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620,000
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Ha I'm at nearly 3,000,000! Yay!
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lol, i am getting help from one who may or may not wish to remain unnamed
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lol.
DOP: €2,040,355
Star International. Based in Doha, Qatar and Jeddah, Saudia Arabia
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Just hit 30m today.
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Just broke the $10m barrier and entered the Top 50 in North America :)
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37m
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13,000,000 :oops:
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1,300 000 :oops:
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5.1M
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1,300 000 :oops:
+1
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36m
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21
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38M lol
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Since this thread has gone off-topic and the fact that there's another thread already existing for us to boast DOPs, locked.