Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: Xtri on January 03, 2008, 05:54:11 pm
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MANY of my routes has suddenly gone down to 1 - 3 % on load? The hell is going on ?
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Competition? Are there other airlines on those routes?
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Yeh but wierd.. In one day.. Dis.. Destroys me.. Ruins me!
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I think you're still 35th in the game overall right? :roll:
There is essentially no way to be destroyed in this game. It would essentially take several different airlines leveraging their existing networks and going into your hub and putting a $1 flight on each and every one of your routes. The game isn't that hard and I'm surprised that someone with so much money would be freaking out because there was actually competition on routes. ;)
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someone did that to me on my biggest route last round. Came in and I was charing $600 a ticket and he made ticket prices $50. He bailed on the route though after I put 15 super constellations on the route, at max routes, at $1 a piece :lol:
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Actually the only way to get yourself destroyed is to annoy a big alliance that can afford to lose a lot of money in the process of bankrupting you.
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Or a person with a lot of large aircraft like in my case. I would have 100 - 300 unused 1049's at any given time last round.
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MANY of my routes has suddenly gone down to 1 - 3 % on load? The hell is going on ?
As a bug was fixed today it may have been due to that. Before the bugfix people noticed strange things on LF. It first dropped when competition entered the route but when the edited the routes they could charge an even higher fare to reach the LF 100% again. I was working on my routes when the bugfix was made and I experienced LF rushing down on several ones immediately.
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My LF, even on routes with larger planes dropped dramatically today. I have had to adjust prices on 40-50% of my routes
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I didn't freak out, I just got a bit surprised, haven't even fixed it yet, haven't bothered, I would be amongst the top 10 now if I wasn't so lazy :P Got around 7 - 8 planes unused atm too :P Gonna fix it tomorrow probaly.
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"Or a person with a lot of large aircraft like in my case. I would have 100 - 300 unused 1049's at any given time last round."
Actually, even then that would be assuming that you're on the same continent and if you were that you had the same hubs. After that, you'd have to close bases to move your bases to that person's bases. The airline industry only wishes it was this easy to grown an airline.
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Or a person with a lot of large aircraft like in my case. I would have 100 - 300 unused 1049's at any given time last round.
omg! 100-300!
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Hehe, actually, I'm pretty new to this, and I think I'm doing pretty fine :)
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My LF, even on routes with larger planes dropped dramatically today. I have had to adjust prices on 40-50% of my routes
I just finished restructuring my routes (2h30 for 60 routes - that management system is murder! :? ) and noticed that even 1 EUR makes an enormous difference. Like dropping price from 700 € to 699 € makes LF jump from 85% to 100%.
Worst is that after two and an half hours of fiddling I already have many routes way below 100%. :evil:
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Well you could just focus on large routes. Now you know the frustration of a product that is difficult to differentiate. To make it worse, there is no marketing function on the program. I've put in an enhancement request for it. The regular airlines go through this all of the time. They are also adjusting their prices based on route demand, capacity, etc. No ticket from A to B is ever the same price for long.
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Well you could just focus on large routes.
I might as well. Still, I don't feel like becoming an eBay sniper, waiting until the last minute to bid on a route.
Guess I'll have to hire a product manager for each route. Yes, real airlines CEOs have people to help them whereas I have to get some sleep.
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Bug fix...that explains some things :? I noticed that same thing, LF would drop sometimes 75% when someone new moved in but in editing my price could actually climb €75+ :o
But now it kinda feels like last round which is the same reason I eventually gave up. Still think its a little buggy. Its one thing for prices to drop with competition but something that has always bugged me is how much effect €1 can have between a full load and a tiny load.
I noticed this last round and now its happening again. Say I have a price of €1000 on a 1 frequency route, someone comes in and puts the same aircraft and same frequency for €999...this suddenly drops my load factor from 100% down to more like 25% till I drop the price to €998 and get 100% again. Then the little €1 war begins. Its one thing for loads to drop like that if someone came in and put €100 on that route but only a buck cheaper then mine...load should still be in the 90% or maybe not even drop at all :? Its not a huge deal right now as theres not that many routes to edit...but last round when I had over 500 routes going these huge drops over a buck really became impossible manage. LF shouldn't drop so drastically over a €1 difference :shock:
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To me it starts to be a bit bothering. and reducing prices 1 euro by 1 euro is an endless job
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To me it starts to be a bit bothering. and reducing prices 1 euro by 1 euro is an endless job
this means the war commenced....
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To me it starts to be a bit bothering. and reducing prices 1 euro by 1 euro is an endless job
this means the war commenced....
so soon...
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Unfortunately once quiet Bangkok seems to be the target of a couple of big Asian airlines. From only 2 small competitors there are now at least 8 based in Bangkok of which 4 big ones. Most of my routes are healthy, but 3 of them have the 1 Euro decline ratewar going on :(. And if I do not participate my loadfactors drop dramatically on those routes :(. It only seems to happen on same frequency/airplane routes though. So the solution might be choosing a different frequency and plane from the competition!
Waerth
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unfortunately it does not only happen with same plane/frequency to a certain extent
Is it me or this war started way earlier than last round?
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The war did take an early start at least in Asia. Right now its not a big deal but once everyone begins to have multiple hubs and a couple hundred plus routes going these little €1 drops are going to become impossible to manage just like what happened in last round. Its not just one route here and there thats effected but sometimes over half of them if your gone more then a couple hours. Its not an issue if it only dropped load factor by a percent or two but when €1 means the difference between a 25% load and a 100% load somethings wrong. Real life this would have virtually no effect what so ever. The way things are setup now, especially this early in the game you could end up bankrupt if you left for more then a couple days. There has to be a way to fix the codes so the effect of a €1 difference isn't so drastic. I could only see this kind of effect being possible if 3 or 4 people dropped the price by several hundred...not a buck :?
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Its not only Asia. Happens here in Europe at least at Madrid and Frankfurt, too. :cry: I was wondering if this is due to the change of the .5 rule... :roll: routes have more freq by this rule now.
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This is happening in South America too. 1 euro pricing war in São Paulo/Congonhas and São Paulo/Guarulhos is, already, way too annoying.
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Don't understand why 2 or 3 people can't share a route and leave LF's at say, 75-80 - that's better for everyone than cutting prices ridiculously, say, like, from 400 straight down to 20. :roll:
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I have the impression it is impossible to "share" as €1 difference can mean a drop from 100% to 30% loadfactor.
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Well.
It seems as though many airlines have deviated from the path of win. Welcome to fail. :) Seriously though, this decides the turning point for many airlines. It's really war of attrition. If you have the patience to reset your routes (which reminds me...of AMARRS), then you'll still be in 5 game years from now.
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Well nobody here is paid to create routes. Airline management are under pressure to create profitable routes and would operate at quite a heavy loss if they flew a flight for $1. Doing so when the rest of the competition is covering costs or making a profit wouldn't exactly make the CEO likely to keep his/her job.