Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: sla31 on January 01, 2008, 04:55:11 am
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Is anyone else trying to unify their fleet. I am. Or are you just using what you can get a hold of. Right now my fleet consists of.
Fairchild Hiller FH-227 - 13
Fairchild Hiller FH-227B - 6
The largest operator of both types I might add.
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I'm aiming for something approaching fleet uniformity - it's difficult at this early stage, but yeah, I like the idea of being "realistic" and having a fairly small number of types.
For instance, I've got two Otters, two B99s, a Nord 260 Super Broussard and an Aerospatiale N262. The Otters were stop-gap aircraft and will eventually be disposed of and the B99s will become a reasonably-sized subfleet. I will standardize on N262s and Fokkers, and I can justify the Super Broussard because it was sort of the prototype for the N262 :)
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I plan to upgrade all my fleet to the Fairchild Hiller FH-227E. Then the 737's here I come :D
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Yeah, once I upgrade again it will either be the 737 or the 727 for the domestic flights.
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First into Fokkers then DC-9's for me......
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How did I know you were going to go with the DC-9's :lol:
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Once I get to be a big airline, I will use the DC-9's and 737's. More 737's though, I will use the DC-9's for shorter hops.
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an all-Boeing fleet for me (eventually)! :D
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DC-9 i think.....now i am sticking to Fokkers with some convairs
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I have made an overview with different route types that I am flying in notepad. I am matching aircraft to my different route types. So getting fleet uniformity based on this.
Currently I have 4 types in my fleet.
The Fokker F27 in 2 variations for the short haul routes with medium and high density (might get a third variation in there later on)
The Pilatus pc6 Turbo porters for for the short haul low density routes
The Shorts sc7 Skyvan for the short haul routes with medium density (these will be replaced with F27's)
The Hawker Siddeley Argosy 650 Srs 200 for the medium haul routes with high density
I didn't count the Beechcraft. I will keep that one flying to use as the launch plane for new bases.
Waerth
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Fokker 27s to start off. We'll see about larger aircraft later.
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"Actually now that we have the "boss" :lol: here in this thread. IRL Airlines have higher cost when they fly with to many different types/manufacturers planes. Is there a way that could be modelled in the code?
Waerth
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It should be possible alright, I'd need to discuss it with Will as to the mathematical formula required.
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I've got plenty of stopgap aircraft. In my ideal AM fleet though:
F27 family
F28
HS748E
Haven't decided beyond these.
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Currently I'm replacing the last two Beeches, so it's an all-Fokker fleet (F27-line and F28) for me.
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i still have one B99 and that is the only one..which is not yet replaced.....lol
i still not which long haul aircrafts should i be using later.....
so better continue to expand my short haul network
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At the start I bought what I could afford so I got me a Canadair CL-215-102. But since I am a Russian a/c lover I went on with 3 IL-14's.
Then I saw everyone buying Fokkers so I bought one of those as well, but it just didn't feel right so now I'm buying AN-24's.
I will probably try to stick to Russians on new purchases and pick up a bargain here and there on others. So my fleet won't be that uniform :)
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How did I know you were going to go with the DC-9's :lol:
Hey, if they hadn't doubled the price on the Tu-104,134 family since their last appearance in the game I would use them....
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Well I'm Dutch, so it's abvious I've got an all Fokker fleet (F27 & F28) :wink:
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I plan to go Ryanair-style and upgrade all aircraft to 732s.
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I will be letting the Beech 99's and An-2's go in Favour of the Herald 200 in the next few days. 8)
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In reality, airlines try to do this to simplify labor and maintenance costs. They don't need to carry as many parts and have as many people certified on as many aircraft. The costs in this game are minute compared to the real world, so this point really doesn't matter much. I think people find a plane with the characteristics they like and they just go for it. It's easier on the eyes and mind if you only have 3-4 types of aircraft to deal with.
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In reality, airlines try to do this to simplify labor and maintenance costs. They don't need to carry as many parts and have as many people certified on as many aircraft. The costs in this game are minute compared to the real world, so this point really doesn't matter much. I think people find a plane with the characteristics they like and they just go for it. It's easier on the eyes and mind if you only have 3-4 types of aircraft to deal with.
Sure it's better-looking and easier to read when you don't have too many different types. But in this age there are so many planes that are not that different, it is very very hard to decide for one or another. Too much choice compared to the last age, i am not so used to it yet.
Did they do it on purpose to offer so many planes so that the game is a bit slower and difficult/realistic?
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It was a fairly new industry. Lots of players jockeying for spots. Once planes started getting bigger, it cut down on the number of players. It costs billions to develop an airplane like the 747. That cuts out a ton of the smaller players. Many of them stayed in aviation, but as suppliers moreso than those making their own planes.
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I'd like to stick with an all-Boeing fleet, but they(along with every other company) don't provide all the different types of a/c for a large operation yet. And not to get off-topic, but does anyone know if the DC-10 is going to make an appearance in this round?
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They still don't and don't care to. That's why you have Canadair and Embraier (sp?).
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At this stage of the game, I am sticking to the Fokkers (F-27-200/500) and Hawker Siddeley (HS-748 Srs 2A).
- The Fokkers would be deployed on regional short-haul routes (<1200 miles) and demand would dictate whether the -200 or -500 would be used.
- The Hawker Siddeleys would be deployed on regional medium-haul routes (<2000 miles)
- The Beechs would be used as a stop-gap aircraft and to open new bases/routes.
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Does it really matter wether you put a quite high capacity plane on a relatively low density route?
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Does it really matter wether you put a quite high capacity plane on a relatively low density route?
Affects other people on the same route
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Does it really matter wether you put a quite high capacity plane on a relatively low density route?
Affects other people on the same route
It does matter then!
thx
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I've 7 P-166C, 1 Fokker 27 and 1 AN-24, i think i continue to buy this plane until i've more money for buy the 737 and the DC-9
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..and means you don't make as much if you price to fill the plane as you have to dump seats to fill the plane. In this game, matching the planes to the route network is much more important than commonality as it stands now.
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due to serious competition ....
EPX has decided to switch to a complete DC9s and 727s fleet in 3 months..
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Yeah I'm using some of your leftovers already
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Right now its just a mixed bag fleet. But will eventually end up like last round where its down to only 3 or 4 aircraft types. Mainly large aircraft for the money maker routes and long hauls, then work down to mid sized aircraft for most other routes.
This era...probably be 747s and 737/727s for the most part. Depends mainly on how I set up my hubs and what can be reached from them. First 737-200 is already on order, will see how it works out before figuring the main fleet plans :wink:
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dunno exactly why but so far i ve chosen the BAC111500 over the 737. But that might change soon
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I use what I can get my hands on :P
Airspeed AS 57 Ambassador 3
Antonov An-2P 6
Aviation Trader ATL-90 Accountant Mk. I 1
Aviation Trader ATL-90 Accountant Mk. II 6
Beech B99 5
Canadair CL-215-102 2
Convair 580 5
Convair 600-240 3
DHC-4 Caribou 3
DHC-5 Buffalo 3
FMA IA 50 Guarani II 1
Fokker F27-100 1
Fokker F27-200 5
Fokker F27-400 2
Fokker F27-500 4
Fokker F27-600 1
Fokker F28 Fellowship 1000 6
Gulfstream I 2
Gulfstream II 1
Ilyushin Il-14M 2
Page Herald-200 4
Pilatus PC-6-C1/H2 Turbo-Porter 1
Shorts SC.7 Skyvan Srs 2 1
Tupolev Tu-134 3
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My current fleet, including the 28 planes I have on order, consists of 100 Antonov An-2P Colts. Not only does that, far and away, make me the largest operator of the Colt, but also, I believe, that's the largest single-model fleet in the game.
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I am trying to keep it uniform, and have replaced Fokkers, Canadairs and Beeches with shiny Russian metal.
Fleet consists of:
34 AN-24 (10 on order) for short routes
2 IL-62 (soon to be delivered :)) for inter-continental routes
2 IL-14's (To be replaced) running short routes
3 Tu-134A's (Might get more of these) running larger inter-European routes
4 Il-104V (Will get many more of these) running larger inter-European routes
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My fleet is varied but still far more uniform than that of last round!
Aérospatiale N 262=2
Airspeed AS 57 Ambassador=0 (5 on order)
Argosy 671 Commuter=2 (1 on order, 2 more today)
Beech B99=1 (Retiring soon)
DHC-5 Buffalo=4
Fokker F27-500=0 (7 on order, 10 more today)
Fokker F27-600=1
Nord 260 Super Broussard=14
Page Herald-200=4 (2 on order)
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my fleet only have Boeing 737 and DC 8)
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I'm going with a very uniform fleet so I don't have to worry about keeping too many range/capacity stats in my head.
BACC H-350=1
Beech B99=10
Boeing 737-200=7
Fokker F27-400=16
Leased Out
Antonov An-2P=1
DHC-6-200=1
On Order
Boeing 737-200=2
Fokker F27-400=4
So yes, a rather uniform fleet.
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Currently getting rid of 3 aircraft types! 8)
I will end up with the:
HS748E
F28 Fellowship
Sud Caravelle 10B
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hmmm.. HS748E and Caravelle 10B? :shock: any discount? :lol:
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Going to be an airline operating jet only
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an all-Boeing fleet for me (eventually)! :D
'If it ain't Boeing, Im not going!'
ok, I lied, I flew a Airbus A300 EP-IBA for tehran to isfahan once, but that was cause the Fokker 100 that was Scheduled was stuck somewhere else :lol:
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Going to be an airline operating jet only
seems your airlines' name always get changed? :p
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Last round I tried to keep a all lockheed R6V fleet (its was a brilliant aircraft! rangewise and capacitywise :) )
This round I'm trying to have a short haul 737 fleet (for the middle east) and 747 aircraft on european and transatlantic,and australian routes 8)
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Going to be an airline operating jet only
seems your airlines' name always get changed? :p
Yes, North America was way too crowded. I thought that there are less players. I decided to move before all the gates run out in North America.
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DC940( up to 800k DOP) convair caravelle and maybe more tupolev for me.
Don't see the advantage of the 732, i might give a look at the 742 later though :lol:
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hmmm.. HS748E and Caravelle 10B? :shock: any discount? :lol:
They are the ones getting kept!
One more Page Herald 200 for someone to buy, and that DHC-5 should be bought by an alliance member... 8)
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"This round I'm trying to have a short haul 737 fleet (for the middle east) and 747 aircraft on european and transatlantic,and australian routes Cool"
...and while you're saving up to buy those 737's, other players are buying 6 cheaper aircraft and establishing routes. When you do put a 737 on that short haul, tanking the route to $100 is going to hurt you a lot more than someone flying a cheap plane.
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B99's to airports with $50,000 gates
F-27 or similar (Fh-227 etc) for lower pax numbers on airports with $100,000 gates
B737-200 or Argosy to high pax $100,000 airports and above
Undecided for long haul.
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Im going the same way as Pacific ..
HS748E and Caravelle 10B
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F27, F28 and BAC1-11. I don't want those big Boeings in my fleet :wink:
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now i change my mind..
only focus on B720,B732/731 and B741
no more DC for me...
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Right now, I'm looking at L-410s for very low capacity routes (though I do have that one DHC-6-200 in there) and AN-24Vs. As time goes on I'll finally decide and get my "3rd step" once I can comfortably afford them and depending what is on the market then. I see the Tu-154 is stupposed to enter service, it is not as good at the "M" variant, I know that, but I think it should be pretty decent, so I'm looking foward to see how that works out.
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AN-24V's will be my workhouse untill I can get bigger Antonov's, Tupolev's, and Ilysuin's. No other types minus Beech's, Fokkers, and planes made in Asia. :D
You get three times the amount of money flying from a major city to a 50k airport by the way :D
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Like Vincent air, I plan my routes between airports except I use:
DHC-6 for small routes
Fairchild/Fokker 27 variants on the lager small routes to the smaller medium routes.
737 for large flights between airports in North America.
I hate un uniformed fleets.
I also may invest in B99's along with DC-9's.
For intercontinental I will probably use 747's and DC-10's
Although with me I tend to go for aircraft I know and like hence the Beechcraft, DHC-6's, Fokkers and of course (anyone that knows me well) the mighty 737! (which by the way is the best airplane ever!)
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I am slowly trying to change my fleet to B99's, HS748E's and Caravelle 10B's (like a few others I think) as these seem to be the best value-for-money option. Probably 747-200 for Long Haul.
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The old manager of Jet European who handed his airline to me was very much into uniformity with his fleet. I plan to continue this and have just taken the last two DHC6-100's out of service and introduced F27-400's. This means that from now on the smallest type Jet European will be operating is the F27-400 with the B737-200 already starting to takeover on many routes at Paris Orly.
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Did I say 100 Antonov An-2P Colts? My bad...it's now 208 Colts - I just ordered another 108. :lol:
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100 planes that small? You must have a ton of time on your hands.
"The old manager of Jet European who handed his airline to me was very much into uniformity with his fleet. I plan to continue this"
So when you see good deals on used planes and leased planes you're going to pass up on them and wait for a day for the sake of conformity when it in and of itself really provides no cost savings?
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i will probably end up with only 4 types of planes. my shorthaul plane is the caravelle 10b. i'm now slowly introducing the 732 adv for my regionals. not sure yet what i'm getting for my medium haul and long haul. so far, it's working good for me.
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100 planes that small? You must have a ton of time on your hands.
I have 100 currently. I have another 108 on order now. Yes, I'm a madman. :lol:
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good luck to get rid of them when you need to
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As long as you realize that a fleet of planes that small means you won't be in the top players in the game have at it.
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As long as you realize that a fleet of planes that small means you won't be in the top players in the game have at it.
Kinda a given, yeah. :)
good luck to get rid of them when you need to
Or not. :P
No, seriously, though, I have neither the intention, nor the need to get rid of them. One of the funny things is I can throw a Colt at high frequency at a bigger airport, fill its seats each flight, and still be able to charge a dirt cheap price, while turning a profit. I don't care about becoming a bigger airline - I played that game last round, and found nothing but irritation and frustration as I hit every major route in the US that I could, only to have all my good routes destroyed by competition, as people started dropping Sud Est and Super Connies at 6+ frequency, for 1 Euro prices.
To hell with that. I figured I'd do something completely off the wall this time around, and would instead hit every single route within 557 nm of my own bases, and would fill in all the smaller routes at my Allies bases that they can't/won't take. Example: one of my allies, Great Leader Airways, only flies Communist routes from his base in NK. That means he leaves all the South Korean and Japanese bases within range completely alone, which I then can take care of. TahoeXpress, my other ally, is ignoring the smaller routes out of his west coast cities in North America. I take care of those. Great Leader, then, can take care of San Francisco, Berkeley, and other select routes in the People's Republics of California and Massachusetts (hey, I live in California, I can make that joke. :lol: )
I went into this intending to be a small regional carrier, and intending to use one of my favorite Real Life(tm) aircraft, the An-2P - someone used to fly one out of KMYF, where I got my own flight training. If the FAA weren't being such asshats about them/me (minor medical issues have me temporarily grounded), I'd probably seek to buy one after I finish flight training, and set it up as a water bomber, something we just don't have enough of here in SoCal. They're great aircraft.
So, yeah, making my own fun this time around. And, trust me, 209 Antonovs? I will have every single one of those in use by the end of next week (factoring in the time it'll take me to create all those routes, and my own Real Life(tm) obligations.).
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good luck with that :D
it's always fun to find a way to have fun
enjoy!
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No what i do when i see a plane that has a good purchase price that doesnt fit my fleet is buy it and sell it off for a greater price. Only do this with aircraft i expect to be able to sell though. Last round the old manager did the same mostly with Comet 1's and Comet 2's and any that didnt sell within 48hrs would be included in the fleet.