Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => Bugs => Topic started by: AirHanoverInternational on December 30, 2007, 01:39:07 pm
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I just edited a route as its load factor was below 60%. Without changing a value I clicked on the update button and the LF rose to 89%. How come? Happened with a second route again :roll: (noticed that last round when a competitor gave up that specific route but I doubt this happened here)
To all players: before updating route fares plz check if LF rises when you click on "Update". This will possibly prevent an early start of the pricing war that we had last round.
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I will second that!
Indeed it has often happened that i Could make my prices higher even though rates had dropped around 80/90%
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it happens to me too. Maybe I'm the way too wrong but I think it works like this: There is something like an imediate potential passengers number (not like the total potential that you see when you first open the route), that gets bigger, as much (in some proportion) as the offer. For example, in a route with 1.500 potential passengers, when you start that route, against another airline (assuming that both are using a beech99), you are not competing for 1500 passengers, you're in a competition for something like 23~28 passengers, because otherwise, even in a competition involving 10 airlines for that route, using a beech99, it would not affect your loadfactor at all.
so, I guess it happens when there isnt a strong competition yet, and someone opens the same route as mine, the number of passenger for that route increases, as a whole (looking the competition information, I notice that), and that potential, somehow, increases beyond the capacity of the plane put by the opponent airline, then there are some passenger, say, "left behind", that my airline can take advantage of.
well.. thats all a non empirical thesis. a big guess. don't mind if it is wrong :P
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Now, this is what just happened:
A new competitor entered my route Madrid-Amsterdam. The LF dropped from 100% down to 88%. I now could raise the fare from 3,198 EUR to 3,220 EUR while the LF went back to 100% again. Unfortunatly I dont know who just came in - but the admins may find him by the highest route number I guess. There are three B99's and one F27-200. All at freq 1. I use a B99 at freq 0.5.
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Now, this is what just happened:
A new competitor entered my route Madrid-Amsterdam. The LF dropped from 100% down to 88%. I now could raise the fare from 3,198 EUR to 3,220 EUR while the LF went back to 100% again. Unfortunatly I dont know who just came in - but the admins may find him by the highest route number I guess. There are three B99's and one F27-200. All at freq 1. I use a B99 at freq 0.5.
The F27 is mine.
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Now, this is what just happened:
A new competitor entered my route Madrid-Amsterdam. The LF dropped from 100% down to 88%. I now could raise the fare from 3,198 EUR to 3,220 EUR while the LF went back to 100% again. Unfortunatly I dont know who just came in - but the admins may find him by the highest route number I guess. There are three B99's and one F27-200. All at freq 1. I use a B99 at freq 0.5.
The F27 is mine.
Yeah, I have seen that already. The question would be: did you create that route recently?
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Yeah, about 2 hours ago.
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Ok, thanks. Maybe this information will help the staff to find that weird thing faster.
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It's not that weird actually. Route demands and load factors are calculated based on a number of things, including the newest airline on the route. The new guy tends to get a better LF than the airlines already flying. I don't know if editing a route makes you the newest airline, but if so, there is no bug.
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Just to show you my point of view:
More capacity + lower fare from you and the others competing on that route = a lower load factor for me
then still
More capacity + higher fare from me = higher load factor for me
Does this really make sense to you?
BTW: Do you still have LF 100% on that route?
I would really like to know what will happen when the next one uses to fly that route :roll: Maybe I can raise my fares again some EUR?
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It does make sense if the effect of being the newest airline on the route is strong enough to outweigh the higher fare. And I still have the full 100% LF on it.
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I've actually been able to go in every couple days and increase my fare by €10-20 while keeping 100% loads
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I've had this "problem" too :)
Its helped raise my dop up by 2k (for me its alot)
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It seems to happen always. I just updated four routes with a LF<100% by charging HIGHER fees on EACH route :shock: :roll:
Admins: stop the game. Or the slow down this round wont last long as it will turn into the opposite soon.
Off-topic: Hope you all have a nice New Year party today. I gotta leave now :D
Edit:
Nope, it does not really happen always :roll: One route out of five in total today I needed to lower the fare. Strange...
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LOL there might be no need to stop the game
Even though it happens quite often, once there are competition enough(i.e too much planes on the same route), the price goes down, I mean one is forced to lower the price.
So...
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I'll be looking into this very closely within the day [i need sleep at the moment. it's waaaay to early in the morning for me to not have slept yet] to make sure that all the route pages are still in sync. that spree of bugfixes may have knocked one or two out of whack.
hopefully I'll find the discrepancy, i found the old close route one at the end of last age... hopefully if there's a new one i can spot earlier this time.
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Sorry to bring that one up again but it still happens.
Airline ID: 5980 AirHanoverInternational
Route: 117887 Guadalajara Intl Airport Fernando Espinoza Gutierrez Convair 580 1 76% €9,124
The fare is currently set at 120 EUR = 76% LF
Competition WAS there but left. The LF raises when I simply click the Update button. I can even charge higher fare (about 180 EUR) and the LF raises to 100%. AFAIK the LF should raise automatically when competition left :?
I left this route as it is for your investigation.
Thanks.