Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: suntoucher on December 25, 2007, 07:30:43 am
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Personally I think reset, as well as the people affected(who even if compensated etc will have to wait a day before being able to receive ordered planes) will have a lot more work to increase their DOP whereas people in high number airports with High DOP will be better off with no competition due to no one creating routes to compete with them on top of having a lot more money in the time the game was running. Naturally the high PAX airports would have a high number of based airlines so that even though they originally make more at the start, the number of competing airlines tends to even it out. With the time it was running though, as no one has been able to change routes or spend their money they've had zero competition putting the people at smaller airports with no competition at a disadvantage rather than even footing. And the people affected at even more of a disadvantage due to receiving money rather than the equivalent in instant routes/gates/planes etc.
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Reset when?
and when in the game?
Just answer the first question...
25th Post!
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suntoucher, we resetted because they were moving to stage two of the multiworlds. After the 5 years of this round, the multiworlds will be ready
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It's just general opinion. Reset back to the start of the seventies once the major bugs are repaired I'm thinking, especially as we were only one month into it anyway it's hardly a big change but it's a big effect on the rest of the five years.
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The game is PAUSED for 48 hours
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Ya huh but up til a few hours ago it wasn't and the bug was around since the beginning. Now say one company has a starting DOP of 600k while another has a starting DOP of 300k but can quickly increase that, even 2 hours is a huge difference, now say the bug is fixed and the people are compensated for their DOPxtime so far into the game(say 300,000x18 as a guess) they're compensated 5.4 million. But as the bugged airlines have to now wait 24 hours before they can increase this 300,000DOP due to plane processing time. Their total income is 12.6 million before increasing the DOP(minus expenses). Now 600k airline, as well as having planes on order which came 18 hours ahead of 300k airline, can instantly increase their DOP after 6 hours rather than 24(of course minus the time it takes to be able to afford said planes, 2 hours at max, so after 8 hours rather than 24 but it's negligible). Say it pushes it up to 1.5million DOP after the planes arrive. Now they have about an extra 24-27million rather than an extra 14.4million. Now 10 million is a huge amount. On top of this, even though they're making more money at the very start. Due to this downtime, players of the last round(there were 1300 I think) who have come back for this round late(as last time I checked there was 350 so we're a thousand off), give or take a couple hundred inactive players, see the login closed, and come back even later after login has reopened, or not come back at all. This then maintains the advantage that the 600k airline had rather than evening it out as those airlines fill up that airport and create competition, lowering prices and DOP's and generally making route creation and maintenance more time consuming. While the 300k's airport remains virtually untouched as it has that many less PAX at the airport, so that their DOP remains constant unlike 600k which would lower, and they don't have to spend as much time maintaining it which is probably the key feature that turns people away. This is basically rehashing what I said before with a tiny bit more detail and examples.
Edit: Sue me, I'm a ranter and don't really think about hitting enter.
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I prefer to start small and go big later. my DOP is only 150.000
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Exactly, and you're being put at a disadvantage by a resume due to the fact that the huge airports won't have so many airlines in it creating competition and lowering their DOP. As a 70 million airport can pay quadruple a 7 million airport with the same planes and number of routes. But this is usually countered by the fact that there is alot of competition at these.
By resuming alot of this competition is rendered null.
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Resume is better ~
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resume...my airline was doing just fine before. :P
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Yes, resume. I have never had this good of a start to a round before.
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Yes, resume. I have never had this good of a start to a round before.
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Reprendre!!!
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Resume...Im like a Top european Airline
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Yes, resume. I have never had this good of a start to a round before.
can i join UNITED SKY GROUP?
Yes, what jps said. You can apply here
http://usg.orangeams.nl/
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Please don't advertise in unrelated threads and bump. Only 29 votes so far.
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were not advertising -- were just responding to a request. :D
btw...join USG! :P
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Still advertising. if you have ridiculous posts like it people don't feel like reading the rest.
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It doesnt matter. No big deal :roll:
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geez, i was just kidding. :roll:
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resume will just save us from furthermore troubles......
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I voted reset. Emotionally, I would want a resume because I've had a decent start and even managed to do a wise business deal which resulted in huge benefits for me.
Objectively however with peoples accouts tampered with, it would be rather unfair if the game simply carried on as is. We're barely 15 hours into the round so a reset isn't exactly costly.
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hmm, you've got a point. :|
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I think Stephen is considering an optional reset. If you want your airline reset they will reset it, if you don't they won't.
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that sounds fair. i wasn't hacked into, so i think i won't reset. :D
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I think Stephen is considering an optional reset. If you want your airline reset they will reset it, if you don't they won't.
An optional reset still means those people affected by bugs are left short-changed through no fault of their own.
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True but a full out reset means that everyone even the people who had no problems at all that are doing great will have to start over after great starts.
Can't you just give the people who are effected what they had back? You know kind of like a reset before their accounts were hacked.
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Personally I think reset
Hey suntoucher you are the author of this thing but it looks like your vote to reset is loosing....haha :twisted:
i would prefer resume
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Resume. Make a solid effort to find the accounts who lost a plane and give them one immediately and allow them to reestablish their flights before the clock starts. Track down their old planes and ban the players that have the planes now.
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Resume. Make a solid effort to find the accounts who lost a plane and give them one immediately and allow them to reestablish their flights before the clock starts. Track down their old planes and ban the players that have the planes now.
Wish there was a thumbs up emoticon :)
Good suggestion, I would hate a reset, at least now. Possibly if the game was postponed til the new year. I created all my routes on a Symbian mobile phone since I was no where near an internet connection, and even though I have access to a computer now, I won't tomorrow and creating a new game on the phone again is too much of a hassle.
I was at 21 when the game froze and even better a few gamedays before that.
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Personally I want to resume. I've had very good start! :D
But practically and in all fairness, this round needs to reset. From the point of view there have been too many reported bugs (some serious) which I can only assume that have majorly dented some of Airline's operations.
And the fact that we are less than two months in this round, a reset seems fair and appropriate.
But the admins have the last say. I'll go with the flow. 8)
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Personally I want to resume. I've had very good start! :D
But practically and in all fairness, this round needs to reset. From the point of view there have been too many reported bugs (some serious) which I can only assume that have majorly dented some of Airline's operations.
And the fact that we are less than two months in this round, a reset seems fair and appropriate.
Correct!
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On the other hand, the fact that the round is only 2 months old means there is still little difference between all airlines. If the bugs have seriously hindered normal airline functionality, these airlines should be able to choose if they want to reset or not, giving them a small disadvantage over the other airlines. However, airlines that have not had any problems will not be amused if they have to start over again and in all honesty, why would they have to start over because some airlines can't?
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On the other hand, the fact that the round is only 2 months old means there is still little difference between all airlines. If the bugs have seriously hindered normal airline functionality, these airlines should be able to choose if they want to reset or not, giving them a small disadvantage over the other airlines. However, airlines that have not had any problems will not be amused if they have to start over again and in all honesty, why would they have to start over because some airlines can't?
The problem is, if some asses wrecked my airline (which already had a bad DOP before) and your airline ran on quite well, I'll be off for a bad start.
Either reset to some houers before this prob first occured or completely reset. Everything else would be unfair!
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The difference between me and you would be really small though. A small (financial) compensation for you would be enough to satisfy both parties.
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Resume. Make a solid effort to find the accounts who lost a plane and give them one immediately and allow them to reestablish their flights before the clock starts. Track down their old planes and ban the players that have the planes now.
That would work unless the players who got the planes are brokers. Someone who was destroying another airline could have scrapped the planes which means we got them and didn't do anything wrong. You can't ban us for that.
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Resume. Make a solid effort to find the accounts who lost a plane and give them one immediately and allow them to reestablish their flights before the clock starts. Track down their old planes and ban the players that have the planes now.
That would work unless the players who got the planes are brokers. Someone who was destroying another airline could have scrapped the planes which means we got them and didn't do anything wrong. You can't ban us for that.
...and what would happen if they did it on accident? :(
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Complications...complications. Thus reset. :P
I found that the opening stages of an airline sim game is the most important. You need a seriously good start to be able to rise to #1 and to maintain it. An airline afterall grows exponentially in this game as more dop->more planes->even more dop->even more planes.
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lol....in fact i don't care if we have a reset......though it is better not to reset... 8)
because i also did some mistakes off the start.... :D
btw...i agree that the beginning of the game is very important.....
but last round i just started a day after the game begins :P
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A reset seems the fairest way to go! There's too much uncertainty and after all it's only two months!
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no..... You can have compensation as only a handful of people accounts had been hacked.
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I think that we should reset the game because someone used the bug to screw up other player's airline. If we resume, it would be unfair to those players.
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But it is just a few people who have problems. So you want to cater to the minority? The majority of the airlines are fine and you want to reset just because a couple of people. A reset would be unfair for the people who didn't have problems.
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maybe we should have compensation for those who are affected......let's say a million or two
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I am unaffected by the bug. But I have read a couple of people have lost their planes. So I feel they shoulg=d get their planes back.
Waerth
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I say they should get there airplane back and get 1,000,000.
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maybe we should have compensation for those who are affected......let's say a million or two
I say they should get there airplane back and get 1,000,000.
I was one of the airlines that is affected and IMHO a compensation of $1m is not sufficent (and I am sure this would the case for quite a few people). Put it simply, my DOP was ~$177,000 before someone wrecked my airline which means my monthly revenue is around ~$4.2m which roughly equatesd to a profit of $2.5m (assuming 60% margin). Naturally, I believe $1m would not quite do it.
Also, my plane was sold and all my gates are gone. With $1m, I can't afford a Beech 99 or any decent aircraft to rebuild my airline.
The sad reality is people who are not affected by this issue would be happy for a resume however, I believe in my case, it would be better if there is a reset. Either way, the important thing for now is to let Stephen and his team fix the issue/bug/problem and see what they have to say.
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Although I selfishly voted for a resume, I do not mind either way really.
If there is a resume though it would be nice to see the strucken airlines royally compensated.
It is worrying though that we have no word on progress yet....
Waerth
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Resume
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maybe we should have compensation for those who are affected......let's say a million or two
I say they should get there airplane back and get 1,000,000.
I was one of the airlines that is affected and IMHO a compensation of $1m is not sufficent (and I am sure this would the case for quite a few people). Put it simply, my DOP was ~$177,000 before someone wrecked my airline which means my monthly revenue is around ~$4.2m which roughly equatesd to a profit of $2.5m (assuming 60% margin). Naturally, I believe $1m would not quite do it.
Also, my plane was sold and all my gates are gone. With $1m, I can't afford a Beech 99 or any decent aircraft to rebuild my airline.
The sad reality is people who are not affected by this issue would be happy for a resume however, I believe in my case, it would be better if there is a reset. Either way, the important thing for now is to let Stephen and his team fix the issue/bug/problem and see what they have to say.
But in my post I did say give them a plane
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Game will resume.
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yes :lol:
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maybe we should have compensation for those who are affected......let's say a million or two
I say they should get there airplane back and get 1,000,000.
I was one of the airlines that is affected and IMHO a compensation of $1m is not sufficent (and I am sure this would the case for quite a few people). Put it simply, my DOP was ~$177,000 before someone wrecked my airline which means my monthly revenue is around ~$4.2m which roughly equatesd to a profit of $2.5m (assuming 60% margin). Naturally, I believe $1m would not quite do it.
Also, my plane was sold and all my gates are gone. With $1m, I can't afford a Beech 99 or any decent aircraft to rebuild my airline.
The sad reality is people who are not affected by this issue would be happy for a resume however, I believe in my case, it would be better if there is a reset. Either way, the important thing for now is to let Stephen and his team fix the issue/bug/problem and see what they have to say.
Just curious, how much cash do you have?
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Who?
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Just curious, how much cash do you have?
Roughly ~$1.5million (can't remember my exact amount).
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Just curious, how much cash do you have?
Roughly ~$1.5million (can't remember my exact amount).
Were you remedied? PM me. i can sort it out.