Airline Mogul Forum
Airline Mogul => Game Updates => Topic started by: StephenM on December 18, 2007, 06:56:02 pm
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I'll post the changes made for multiworlds here just to keep everyone informed of progress.
Step 1: Splitting up users (This means we re-introduce activation email and a few other changes) it will have absolutely no effect on game play currently. This is largely complete but still some work to do here. We expect to implement during the reset.
Step 2: Manually go through all files and make changes as appropriate to the database queries. (This has to be done to over 200 files)
[list=1]- register.php
- login.php
- admin.php
- various admin files
- design file
- aircraft.php
- ac_info.php
- sell_ac.php
- used_ac.php
- sell_ac_um.php
- lease_ac.php
- remove_lease_ac.php
- name_ac.php
- lease_ac_um.php
- return_lease_ac.php
- more admin files
- buy_ac.php
19/12/2007
- various backend files
- scrap.php
- gates.php
- view_gates.php
- rent_gate.php
- view_airport.php
- create_focus_city.php
- delete_focus_city.php
- build_terminal.php
- more backend files
- create_route.php but due to a small issue I cannot continue testing it for now.
- rankings.php
- view_airline.php
- mail_centre.php
- read_mail.php
- send_mail.php
- delete_mail.php
- finance.php
- view_department.php
- create_alliance.php
- view_alliance.php
- join_alliance.php
- leave_alliance.php
- index.php
- submit_airport.php
- req_ac.php
- req_ac_engines.php
- req_ac_seats.php
- broker pages
20/12/2007
- more admin pages
- research_route.php
- more work on create_route, still some bugs to be fixed
- more admin pages[/list:o]
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Hey your halfway done..!
Jps thanks StephenM for all his hard work.. (I mean Air_Elbonia too) :lol:
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You really need to use PHPDocu (http://www.phpdoc.org/) if you want to keep a very accurate picture of what's been edited and what's not been edited, even if it's just for yourself.
It's saved my sorry behind many times ;)
But at least you're taking the initiative to document changes, unlike people at The Blandsite
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in multiworld can you choose what one to be in if not you will be spliting up alliances and if yes what will they be split up by?
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Alliances will be split up by the world you are in. And worlds will be optional with something like a world for every 1000 players (So if we have 3000 players we will have 3 worlds) plus a variety of short games, possible scenario based games and premium only worlds. Just to re-itterate, there will always be free worlds.
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oh that will be good then so there wont be as much competition and will there be the same amount of gates in each world?
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oh that will be good then so there wont be as much competition and will there be the same amount of gates in each world?
Bingo, you have it in one. :)
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woohoo i rule, how long will this take for the reset?
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woohoo i rule, how long will this take for the reset?
I don't fully follow. How long after the reset will multiworlds be out or?
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no when will the reset be operated and when will the next round start?
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no when will the reset be operated and when will the next round start?
Game resets on the 22nd and restarts on the 23rd. Times are TBA for the moment as we may require testing in between.
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okay i understand i think i might be a big airline next round because started late this round
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Why 1,000 players.. I wanted a world full of USG :twisted:
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Why 1,000 players.. I wanted a world full of USG :twisted:
Me too, I can test my Airline I want to make in NZ(Real Life)
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That'll be what private worlds are for. multiworld public will beat out multiworld private however. [just the way it goes. if we have it private why wouldn't it be public?, however. if we have it public it takes modifications to turn it private... :P]
private will allow for password protection and/or individually set player caps [we'll provide suggested levels for most combinations... however. we may fly in the dark guessing on a few of 'em.]
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"oh that will be good then so there wont be as much competition and will there be the same amount of gates in each world?"
"Bingo"
you are in for some serious disapointment if you believe this.
airlines will expand to fill the available space so intead of 10 airlines hogging the gates it will be 5 airlines instead, the competition will be just as intense, just with less people, actually with less people competition becomes more intense because thier is less players to compete against.
the basic problem is not the numbers of players but the poor economic model, it is way too easy to make silly money.
availble money will be the limiting factor NOT number of players, i think you reconise and acknowledge that you will only delay the ineveitable and this is not the solution.
why not address the basic problems with the econmic model, as they say in the real world the fastest way to lose money is to invest in an airline, but not in AM of course, perhaps the real value of multiworlds is one or more can have a more serious econmic model, however from other niche multiplayer games by trying to please eveyone you disperse and dilute the population and eventually end up with the survivors settling back in one world anyway...
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Oh don't worry Tomb, Air Elbonia knows exactly how I feel on the Economic issue. I want costs to Ramp up to Irish standards, because apparently pay rates in the states are a joke. Costs to operate routes will also be jacked up. I want to introduce airport charges per passenger along with en-route ATC charges. As another measure we plan to introduce aircraft order books which will slow down delivery. We are very aware of the main issue that causes saturation. Multi worlds is not designed to take away that, but to reduce the player base per world.
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Passenger Fees... oh no... Green hates passenger fees
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Passenger Fees... oh no... Green hates passenger fees
Guess you won't be liking I-want-a-demo-account's game either then ;) Fees galore :D
But back on topic, I'm very happy to hear AM is taking initiatives to fight this supergrowth syndrome present in so many other advanced-time airline sims. At least they're doing SOMETHING (target at those who think this change is for the worse) - some games just let this problem grow and grow until people leave. And that's not a good thing. When people leave, the game stops getting any development.
So to all those who are complaining about this and that, I just wanted you all to know this change will definitely make AM a much better experience. Sorry to sound like I own it, but it WILL be a good change. I'm sure of it ;)
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Passenger Fees... oh no... Green hates passenger fees
Guess you won't be liking I-want-a-demo-account's game either then ;) Fees galore :D
But back on topic, I'm very happy to hear AM is taking initiatives to fight this supergrowth syndrome present in so many other advanced-time airline sims. At least they're doing SOMETHING (target at those who think this change is for the worse) - some games just let this problem grow and grow until people leave. And that's not a good thing. When people leave, the game stops getting any development.
So to all those who are complaining about this and that, I just wanted you all to know this change will definitely make AM a much better experience. Sorry to sound like I own it, but it WILL be a good change. I'm sure of it ;)
God..... I agree with both Green and Giz in one post. That is the scariest thing I think I have ever seen.....
The change is great... I also hate PFC's but the change in '.5' operating rules clear alot of my objection up.
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There shouldn't be the same amount of gates available, though - and that will solve some of the saturation issue. Most of these airports have ridiculous numbers of gates available which, in the real world, they wouldn't have. It's necessary in the current version because there's so many airlines, if there aren't an insane number of gates then many would be shut out of major airports quite quickly.
For the smaller airlines which only fly into an airport once or twice per day, perhaps a Common-Use Gate system could be implemented - renting use of an airport-operated gate for a certain, lesser, amount per month. Each airline would be restricted to no more than two or three common-use slots - if they wanted to expand more, they'd have to rent their own gate.
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Just thought I'd drop a line in here. We are basically holding back on updating the "main game" for new features at this stage. Our new design and logo (Previewed on the AM Facebook) have also been implemented. At the moment we are going through all files again making sure everything is in working order, however there will be a significant amount of testing required. Its getting close, so watch out in the coming weeks for further updates.
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In the multiworlds, can we have separate worlds where we can choose how long the game round is going to be? this would be for people who dont get enough DOP at a certain location to grow as rapidly they require?
and also, how about a 'nursery' for people who have just joined AM to teach them how to play etc?
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If you purchase your own world, then you can choose who long it lasts. There will be a variety of games.
In terms of a world for new players, thats an interesting concept alright.
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One suggestion. Should we have a couple of test worlds? For example, one world only bases out of the US while another bases out of Europe. We just need to see how multi-worlds work first :wink:
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I don't think its feasible to keep creating worlds that don't give any benefit. Remember, we want the game to be up all the time and not go back to when it crashed every hour. The more worlds, the more work for the server.
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I don't think its feasible to keep creating worlds that don't give any benefit. Remember, we want the game to be up all the time and not go back to when it crashed every hour. The more worlds, the more work for the server.
Oh. These would be testers before you release them to the public :wink: Anyways, I hope you can work these out before Feb 29 :wink:
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I don't think its feasible to keep creating worlds that don't give any benefit. Remember, we want the game to be up all the time and not go back to when it crashed every hour. The more worlds, the more work for the server.
Oh. These would be testers before you release them to the public :wink: Anyways, I hope you can work these out before Feb 29 :wink:
does that mean multiworlds are coming in next round? :D
why the 29th? the reset is around about the 15th
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I don't think its feasible to keep creating worlds that don't give any benefit. Remember, we want the game to be up all the time and not go back to when it crashed every hour. The more worlds, the more work for the server.
Oh. These would be testers before you release them to the public :wink: Anyways, I hope you can work these out before Feb 29 :wink:
does that mean multiworlds are coming in next round? :D
why the 29th? the reset is around about the 15th
I was just stating that it's a "leap year." :wink:
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I don't think its feasible to keep creating worlds that don't give any benefit. Remember, we want the game to be up all the time and not go back to when it crashed every hour. The more worlds, the more work for the server.
Oh. These would be testers before you release them to the public :wink: Anyways, I hope you can work these out before Feb 29 :wink:
does that mean multiworlds are coming in next round? :D
why the 29th? the reset is around about the 15th
I was just stating that it's a "leap year." :wink:
:lol:
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If you purchase your own world, then you can choose who long it lasts. There will be a variety of games.
In terms of a world for new players, thats an interesting concept alright.
Do you mean I have to pay real euros to make a world??? :shock:
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Do you mean I have to pay real euros to make a world??? :shock:
You have to if you want a private world to your specification.
Free worlds will be generated based on the number of players we have, and the free worlds will be to our specification.
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Well we cant let every single person in AM be able to create unlimited numbers of worlds. There has to be some sort of restricting factor. And depending on growth, we may need further server upgrades which means more cost.
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Well we cant let every single person in AM be able to create unlimited numbers of worlds. There has to be some sort of restricting factor. And depending on growth, we may need further server upgrades which means more cost.
I sent you a PM, but I cannot wait for an answer :P I'll work for free ;)
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i liked the token idea suggested way back when. lets dig that idea up again. :lol:
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No need to, the finer workings of it are left to finalise but the concept is going ahead.
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yay! :D
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i liked the token idea suggested way back when. lets dig that idea up again. :lol:
I thought that is still the idea, no? :?
(ie. I think that is a good, workable idea...)
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sorry if somones asked this, how much people in one world
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We need to base it on how much we've donated to AM so far :wink: or simply put, PayPal. The "make a donation" button would be the "buy credits/tokens" button :wink:
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750-1000 would be alright I'd say. Any more and we get saturated pretty quickly.
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just enough people to allow the game to take about 5 years to saturate is a suggestion
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I was guessing 500-750... In 2000's round we had about 700 active players and it still was saturated in 2007 :roll:
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Yep i agree with jps :D
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I don't really understand the concept of private world. How many players would be in it? Would there be any competitors? what's the point then of that kind of world? What would be the specifications one could modify?
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The private multi-worlds would be very similar to a download version of AM. The only differences are that it's till on the internet, and you can choose who plays along side you :wink: Heck, you could even play alone :wink:
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A private world would be one lets say that Alliance X got for their own use. They regulate who go into it. Or may be a group in an office decide they want their own, they decide how many people they want to go into their private world. A private world is simply a world that you cannot freely join.
The number of competitors is any number above one single player in a world.
Whats the point? Its a revenue stream for AM.
There are many specifications that will be released at a later date.
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and does play alone means that you are the only airline on earth? that kinda sucks to me^^
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ok I see
will there be any link between all the worlds?
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and does play alone means that you are the only airline on earth? that kinda sucks to me^^
I would like to try that out. Just for a game year :wink:
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Well if thats what you want and we are willing to let you (Obviously its not going to be easy to have your own world) then thats alright.
Just to clarify, there wont be an unlimited number of worlds. You wont be able to join all worlds, and wont be able to create large numbers of "personal" worlds.
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how about, when after you have made the amount of worlds for public use and then people want to make their own, set up a system for them to PM you before they start a new world? it will stop random worlds popping up
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Worlds will have to be requested and setup by Admins in order to control their use.
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Well if thats what you want and we are willing to let you (Obviously its not going to be easy to have your own world) then thats alright.
Just to clarify, there wont be an unlimited number of worlds. You wont be able to join all worlds, and wont be able to create large numbers of "personal" worlds.
You'd seriously let me do that :shock:
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It wasn't in response to your post. I should have used quote but I didn't expect anyone to reply while I was typing mine.
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It wasn't in response to your post. I should have used quote but I didn't expect anyone to reply while I was typing mine.
Still, would I be able to try being alone or with a couple of people in a world. :wink:
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so refresh my memory again...are we gonna be able to create bases on different continents once multiworlds come?
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so refresh my memory again...are we gonna be able to create bases on different continents once multiworlds come?
Depending on the world's settings, likely yes. to a limited degree.
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More progress today on my part. Updated a few minor files and altered the upload_logo to be unique based on User ID. I will change it again in the future to allow it to work with IE.
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Hey! I thought you supported Mozilla Firefox!
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I do, thats why we have a dropdown menu that only works with Mozilla Firefox along with a logo upload that works with Mozilla Firefox. I'm not pushed to get it working with IE.
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Progress is slow on Multiworlds I'm afraid. I was working on the token system last and it was tested briefly by about 3 people (Including myself). More backend work needs to be done before actual progress can be made towards releasing it.
We dont intend on hanging ourselves on a release date.
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Will the current round be extended until the multiworlds release date?
Saturation doesn't seem to be as big of a problem this time around as it was last round.
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Will the current round be extended until the multiworlds release date?
Saturation doesn't seem to be as big of a problem this time around as it was last round.
I kinda agree here
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Stephen, what's the status on multi-worlds? Have you people tested it yet? :wink:
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There are a number of people testing it. There is one major script that needs to be finished before we can really get an update on progress. I do small fixes every day or so, but its waiting for a few bigger ones to be finished along with the testing required after.
I think we have enough testers lined up, so we are good on that front.
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Who's working on the major script? :lol:
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I spoke to Will about it in Mid December and he said he had a plan for it. Work has been done, but still some left if I am correct.
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There are a number of people testing it. There is one major script that needs to be finished before we can really get an update on progress. I do small fixes every day or so, but its waiting for a few bigger ones to be finished along with the testing required after.
I think we have enough testers lined up, so we are good on that front.
I remember you sending me an e-mail a long time ago [obviously deleted it] that said I could help possibly test it. :wink:
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Wow, even I forgot that. I must check my emails and see.
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Wow, even I forgot that. I must check my emails and see.
I was here at the forums. We both have probably deleted it by now :(
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Will the current round be extended until the multiworlds release date?
Saturation doesn't seem to be as big of a problem this time around as it was last round.
I'd like an update on this please. Will we continue the current round until multiworlds is complete (or we hit 10 years) or will we reset and do a 5 (or 10?) year round?
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The plan was always to reset independently of the multiworlds release.
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So after the end of this round, what happens? Basically you close login for a day or two and then open it back up for people?
Will the next round be multiworlds?
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So after the end of this round, what happens? Basically you close login for a day or two and then open it back up for people?
Will the next round be multiworlds?
Closed for a day or two, hopefully not past that.
Yes, at this pace, the next "round" will be multiworlds, however private multiworlds will lag a bit, as will the sale of tokens. (formula work needed on those).
Prepare to retire the term "round" forever. From now on, "world" will reign supreme.
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Will we get to keep our names and branding? Or will we have to pick a new name (or reprogram in our existing names)?
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You'll keep your names as far as I know..
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hui nice design :)
AM was for a second online?! :roll:
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Its on now, just a slight shudder as I saw the old design. I found it was just a local issue so its back up.
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i think here is a alittle bug:
Warning: move_uploaded_file() [function.move-uploaded-file]: SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid is 0 is not allowed to access /var/www/vhosts/airlinemogul.com/httpdocs/rens_logos owned by uid 10006 in /var/www/vhosts/airlinemogul.com/httpdocs/airlinemogul/upload_logo.php on line 98
File number 1 could not be moved.
i can't upload a logo for my airline...
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i think here is a alittle bug:
Warning: move_uploaded_file() [function.move-uploaded-file]: SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid is 0 is not allowed to access /var/www/vhosts/airlinemogul.com/httpdocs/rens_logos owned by uid 10006 in /var/www/vhosts/airlinemogul.com/httpdocs/airlinemogul/upload_logo.php on line 98
File number 1 could not be moved.
i can't upload a logo for my airline...
can you post all bugs in the bug report forum? I know what this bug is, but i need stephen to fix it. The file itself has the wrong owner in the databases eyes...
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I can't upload my logo either.
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it is fixed now... i can upload.
ok sorry. in the future i will post bugs in the bugforum
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uploaded jpeg, works fine
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This is not a bug report thread.