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Title: BROKERS - Advice to airlines using them.
Post by: Pacific on December 15, 2007, 02:00:38 am
Disclaimer: This post is written as my contribution as a part of the AirlineMogul team. Many online games have their own staff who post tips/strategies on their own forums, in order to provide a high level of customer service. This is one of them. I shall not be liable for any possible inaccuracies in this post, or any financial loss that may be incurred as a result of this post.
There are 4 official brokers in AirlineMogul, and many more "unofficial" ones.
Fact 1: The unofficial brokers are more expensive than the official brokers.
Fact 2: The unofficial brokers order planes from the official brokers.
Fact 3: Combining the above 2 facts means an unofficial broker is simply a middleman who charges commission.
Fact 4: It is possible to order planes through the official @ -10%. (*edited by dktc*)
Fact 5: *an official broker* offers 7%* off, which is still cheaper than the typical 5% discount you get from unofficial brokers.
Fact 6: Unofficial brokers become useful when order books for the official brokers are full.
So for the best deals, use the official brokers!
*deleted by dktc*
Title: BROKERS - Advice to airlines using them.
Post by: jameswyhk on December 15, 2007, 02:28:09 am
Totally agree, the unofficial brokes are much more expensive than official brokers. Avoid the G
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Post by: gagahput3ra on December 15, 2007, 05:08:21 am
Oh god.... :roll:
*deleted by dktc: no advertisement out of A-Z aircraft market*
:twisted:
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Post by: Jps on December 15, 2007, 06:31:53 am
Fake! *edited by dktc*
They dont even sell them! Only offering -10...
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Post by: pTr on December 15, 2007, 08:44:07 am
This looks more like an advertisement then advise.. sorry to say
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Post by: nwadeltaboy on December 15, 2007, 11:45:36 am
official brokers don't process your orders as fast as the unofficial ones -- which is why i use an unofficial broker for all of my brokering needs. :wink:
And the fact that he gave me a free plane on my first buy and sells super connies cheaper than anyone else i know... :lol:
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Post by: blumage on December 15, 2007, 01:42:00 pm
Well I use official an unofficial broker and they all do a great job!!!
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Post by: Tomb on December 15, 2007, 01:50:15 pm
never use em myself, bunch of dodgy shysters, buy em new off the manufacturer, smell that new smell ;)
remember that when your hovering desert sand out of your ex white tail bought from a shyster..opps sorry "broker"
tongue in cheek
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Post by: Gustavo on December 16, 2007, 01:10:21 am
Quote from: "nwaboy"
official brokers don't process your orders as fast as the unofficial ones -- which is why i use an unofficial broker for all of my brokering needs. :wink:
And the fact that he gave me a free plane on my first buy and sells super connies cheaper than anyone else i know... :lol:
how come they give you a free plane, once that there's a minimum price?
To anybody who wants to help a new player:
1 - why official brokers' leases are more expensive? 2 - how can I buy from a broker? going on view/buy>request? 3 - Isnt it cheaper buying from the open market>aircraft on sale?
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Post by: airplane2011@msn.com on December 16, 2007, 01:18:33 am
There a only 3 Official Brokers now. Hampo left today until the next round. Look at my sig! We are not a broker, we are an aircraft dealer. Huge Sale Right Now!
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Post by: gagahput3ra on December 16, 2007, 03:19:37 am
Look at this thread.
It's more like advertisement thread than advice thread :P
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Post by: pocketbookbrando on December 16, 2007, 04:10:47 am
Wow, 10% off of a pretend airplane. Is it really worth the hassle of figuring out how a broker works, giving someone else a cut and saving what is likely not that much compared to your daily income?
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Post by: dktc on December 16, 2007, 04:16:40 am
Quote from: "pocketbookbrando"
Wow, 10% off of a pretend airplane. Is it really worth the hassle of figuring out how a broker works, giving someone else a cut and saving what is likely not that much compared to your daily income?
No, that is not worth it. Just two clicks a couple hours of wait is too much to save 1/10 on new planes. Don't use brokers. They are cutthroats and you are just wasting your time. You could edit one route by not ordering through them.
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Post by: dktc on December 16, 2007, 04:22:42 am
Quote from: "Gustavo"
To anybody who wants to help a new player:
1 - why official brokers' leases are more expensive? 2 - how can I buy from a broker? going on view/buy>request? 3 - Isnt it cheaper buying from the open market>aircraft on sale?
1. Official brokers' leases are NOT more expensive. It depends on the plane type and the broker. Now, the non-official "so-called" brokers (which is a complete GAG), those are expensive. Thing is most official brokers are even doing leases anymore because we can't get much profit, if at all from our low rates.
2. Yes, for new airplanes. Select one of the above listed 4 brokers (well... only Orange and Skylite are really taking order as of now, because I am off for a vacation, and Hampo is off somewhere as well) in the dropdown box. Also, (http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h47/dktchan/rtfm.gif)
3. Those are old/used planes. And no, it depends which model you are talking about. The larger planes, they are sold at mark-ups (ie more expensive).
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Post by: dktc on December 16, 2007, 04:25:10 am
Quote from: "Tomb"
never use em myself, bunch of dodgy shysters, buy em new off the manufacturer, smell that new smell ;)
remember that when your hovering desert sand out of your ex white tail bought from a shyster..opps sorry "broker"
tongue in cheek
That is for those so-called brokers.
The official brokers deliver brand new planes to you at 10% discounts. :roll:
But yea, we make $$ out of you. Don't order through us, ever.
(this is not an ad, as in we are convincing players not to buy from us).
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Post by: airplane2011@msn.com on December 16, 2007, 04:27:00 am
800,000 off. YEA!!!! Oh big deal. Help a regular broker out. No that Hampo is gone, I'm just going to buy Used or direct from the manu.
Title: BROKERS - Advice to airlines using them.
Post by: dktc on December 16, 2007, 04:30:16 am
Quote from: "airplane2011@msn.com"
800,000 off. YEA!!!! Oh big deal.
As I have said, don't ever order through brokers. It is only 800k off a 8million plane. No big deal. Freak them sharks making money out of us.
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Post by: MrOrange on December 16, 2007, 08:13:07 am
Oh, just wait until we get to the 747's :twisted:
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Post by: Vamerica on December 16, 2007, 08:15:12 am
Quote from: "MrOrange"
Oh, just wait until we get to the 747's :twisted:
The Gas Machine!!! :lol:
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Post by: MrOrange on December 16, 2007, 08:59:29 am
The machine-that-costs-over-300-million (if you want the -ER) for which a 7% discount would be more than enough to justify the use of a broker :twisted:
Title: BROKERS - Advice to airlines using them.
Post by: dktc on December 16, 2007, 09:02:50 am
Quote from: "MrOrange"
The machine-that-costs-over-300-million (if you want the -ER) for which a 7% discount would be more than enough to justify the use of a broker :twisted:
No, it wouldn't. (If people want to pay more, why stop them?)
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Post by: gizgiz on December 16, 2007, 12:30:30 pm
Quote from: "MrOrange"
The machine-that-costs-over-300-million (if you want the -ER) for which a 7% discount would be more than enough to justify the use of a broker :twisted:
Agreed.
Anyways, if you really want that 747, it feels so much better if you know you bought it yourself, and not from some shoddy middleman who gets cash from selling the planes for you for less. I only use brokers when I need them quickly (eg: tomorrow). That's another reason for using official brokers: if you get them at the right time, or if you're always in good business with them, you get your planes the time you want and at the price you want. :)
Unofficial brokers buy from official brokers, so you might as well skip the money-earning middlemen and go straight to a more reliable source.
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Post by: nwadeltaboy on December 16, 2007, 12:33:55 pm
Quote from: "MrOrange"
The machine-that-costs-over-300-million (if you want the -ER) for which a 7% discount would be more than enough to justify the use of a broker :twisted:
yea, but 747's aren't out yet, so we have absolutely no reason to use an official broker at the moment :twisted:
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Post by: Pacific on December 16, 2007, 12:40:41 pm
Quote from: "nwaboy"
Quote from: "MrOrange"
The machine-that-costs-over-300-million (if you want the -ER) for which a 7% discount would be more than enough to justify the use of a broker :twisted:
yea, but 747's aren't out yet, so we have absolutely no reason to use an official broker at the moment :twisted:
Oh, there are strategic reasons for using official brokers to your advantage. However, I cannot reveal my own trade secrets! :lol:
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Post by: jameswyhk on December 16, 2007, 01:40:00 pm
How much is a 707-320B? 747-100? 747-200? 747-200B?
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Post by: Jps on December 16, 2007, 01:48:20 pm
all i know is the 747-400 costs 300m...
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Post by: MrOrange on December 16, 2007, 04:44:38 pm
Erm, no, it doesn't. IIRC, the normal 747-4 costs 288 million or something, while the 747-4ER costs something like 325.
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Post by: Norfolk International Air on December 16, 2007, 06:49:59 pm
A fair thing to do would allow Offical Brokers to get new planes before the rest?
Like an offical dealers can take orders first?
There is no way a company would let unofficial brokers profit when the chosen few are losing out.
Could add a whole new dimension to the game, arilines rushing to be the first the run new planes etc.
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Post by: Xanders on December 16, 2007, 08:17:40 pm
Guess it will be a while for that Airbus 380 eh?
I still don't quite understand it.. official brokers are more expansive then when you buy it by using the purchase option in the game? So either the brokers are too expensive or the game ones are too cheap? :P
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Post by: MrOrange on December 16, 2007, 09:13:24 pm
Quote from: "Xanders"
Guess it will be a while for that Airbus 380 eh?
I still don't quite understand it.. official brokers are more expansive then when you buy it by using the purchase option in the game? So either the brokers are too expensive or the game ones are too cheap? :P
No, not quite. Official brokers offer prices of -7% or -10%. That means 7 or 10% off the normal market price, which is the price you pay when ordering from a manufacturer. For instance, if plane A has a market price of €100.000.000,- the official broker will offer it for €93.000.000 (-7%) or €90.000.000 (-10%).
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Post by: Seattle on December 16, 2007, 10:27:27 pm
When does the 727-200 come out?
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Post by: Hampo on December 16, 2007, 10:34:16 pm
Quote from: "Seattle"
When does the 727-200 come out?
Google.
A mans best friend
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Post by: NIKO on December 16, 2007, 11:32:54 pm
From the top of my head where i may be wrong i think it came out in 1964 :D
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Post by: Seattle on December 17, 2007, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: "Hampo"
Quote from: "Seattle"
When does the 727-200 come out?
Google.
A mans best friend
to lazzy :P :D
I think its 1967, but I could be wrong.
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Post by: Pacific on December 17, 2007, 01:45:52 am
Both correct.
727-100: February 1964 727-200: December 1967
And just for the sake of it:
727-200 Advanced: May 1971
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Post by: nwadeltaboy on December 17, 2007, 01:54:17 am