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Airline Mogul => General Chat => Topic started by: suntoucher on December 09, 2007, 01:50:23 am
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How long did it take everyone to first make DOP 500,000?
Just wondering as I'm about to lease my first Connie and I started two and a half days ago. Want to see how I stack up.
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My advice to you is use that connies to fly short routes, medium and long at the same time. Don't use it for much frequency, just use it to lots of destinations and you will find why i gave you this advice :D
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My advice is not to lease a connie :wink:
You could lease like 5+ electra / lancastrian / tudor...
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My advice is not to lease a connie :wink:
You could lease like 5+ electra / lancastrian / tudor...
well, if he want to.... :wink:
lease 377, see what i mean :twisted:
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I like the speed and have found some lucrative routes untouchable by only Connies and Bristols. Oh and I only do 1 and .5 routes.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
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Maybe... just maybe... I should turn my brokerage into a consulting service instead :P :lol:
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I assume you were one of the first though, routes aren't easy to find anymore. Especially if you started in Europe or America. I was lucky enough to start in Dubai. Was looking at the Antarctic as well. No one has touched them yet with a 5 foot pole. I wonder why. Be a decent starting base as there's plenty of routes a Douglas can make and no competition.
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You can't base in Antarctica, unless approved by the admins (which is an unfair system drafted out by a former admin... and as a result, no one is able to base there, just to make it fair and realistic :P )
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get a comet. their rather expensive, but you can do lots of frequency with them and their fast. (their jets)
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Ah now I understand, and yeah I was actually looking at Comets, the 3 looks decent, pricey but the extra seats and range I assume would more than cover the difference between the 1 and 2.
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yep. i like comets. i've got 21, as a combination of 2's and 3's.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
yeah, but you reset many times, so you're very experienced :P :lol:
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
yeah, but you reset many times, so you're very experienced :P :lol:
I only reset once in this round.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
yeah, but you reset many times, so you're very experienced :P :lol:
I only reset once in this round.
:shock: really?
but you have play it last round :wink:
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
yeah, but you reset many times, so you're very experienced :P :lol:
I only reset once in this round.
:shock: really?
but you have play it last round :wink:
Yes, started in Australia. Though I got many planes at that time, I could only earn €5500000 a game day. Then I moved to Taiwan as EVA Airways and I had €10000000 as DOP.
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I still remember my start-up :) I hit €500.000 DOP within 6 hours, although I was kinda in the red then :) You might not see it now, but I was one of the first airlines to hit the 2.000 passenger mark, as well as the #2 in the world rankings. Which lasted not too long, as I got bored and didn't want to update my routes anymore.
The problem for new guys is that the market is kinda saturating, when we started out in 1950, there were plenty of free routes to make lots of money on. Can't do that now.
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I still remember my start-up :) I hit €500.000 DOP within 6 hours, although I was kinda in the red then :) You might not see it now, but I was one of the first airlines to hit the 2.000 passenger mark, as well as the #2 in the world rankings. Which lasted not too long, as I got bored and didn't want to update my routes anymore.
The problem for new guys is that the market is kinda saturating, when we started out in 1950, there were plenty of free routes to make lots of money on. Can't do that now.
But there are lots of cheap planes.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
I made it in 1 day.
yeah, but you reset many times, so you're very experienced :P :lol:
I only reset once in this round.
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@jameswyhk: i havent reset once yet and im still doing suprisingly good.
@MrOrange: When I joined you were first in the rankings.
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Have I been at #1? Really? Cool 8)
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Have I been at #1? Really? Cool 8)
How can you not realize you're number one? :P :lol:
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Actually it only took 5 hours for me to buy another DC-3 after the move and the reset.
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I made €500,000 dop in day 0. :P
(and it was still easy to make close to €1,000,000 dop with the first ATR72 last round, even when it was 4 years in game!)
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I made €500,000 dop in day 0. :P
:?
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Don't lease that Connie, for the daily price of one, you can have 15 DC3's with an average DOP of 60-80,000 that is 1.2 mill DOP, something you will not get out of a Connie. for the smaller routes a DC6 is better any day. i am getting DOP's of 400k+ out of a 6B on shorter routes. I did not get my first Connie until I had about 50 DC3's ans DC6B's and even then I held back and replaced my leased ones with bought ones. I started late in this round, playing for the first time and am at 9.2 billion in less then four weeks. Another hint is to not always aim for 100%LF as that brings down the LF of other players, some who will fight you on a route. bringin down a LF of another player to 80-90% will especially with the bigger ones not bother them and you wont start a price war, something you cannot afford when you are smaller. Don't get too attached to your bases either you can move at any time. find gates at larger airports and as soon as you have enough cash move or create a new base. I started in Genoa, Tenerife, Luton, Santiago, Berlin and have since given these up for bigger airports. You need to be patient and significantly large to compete at the larger airports. Keep your first routes short an tie them into all your bases. take gae rental into account. All of your gates need close to 100% useage before you add gates.
Don't be tempted by a Connie!!!!!!
My first day DOP was 5Mill and now is 1.2Billion per day in three weeks, I don't ever keep cash; buy airplanes and then buy some more... I now buy 20 Connies per day and fill them.
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get a comet! there unbeatable. i know im repeating myself, but ive only seen about 4 comet 1's on routes, 1 comet 2, and ive never seen a comet 3 on a route (other than my own. 8) )
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As a new player forget the Comet, you can get 6 leased DC3's for the price of 1 Comet. 1 Comet will never give you the DOP that 6 DC3's will give you. This game is not about nice planes; it is about making money fast and growing faster then any other airline.... Look in the rankings, my id is 7488 and I am the highest ranking new player. Stick to a simple plan:
THE HIGHEST DOP FOR THE SMALLEST INVESTMENT
Start off with two bases, 10-15 gates, a handful of DC3's and fill up your slots. This will lead to the fastest growth. I did not start ordering Connies until I was at 5 Billion ( took me less then two weeks)
I still have more DC3's and DC6B's then Connies
Dak
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comets have more seating capacity and can fly in one route probably about the same as 3 DC-3's. And i haven't even gotten to distance factors yet...
if you want to expand super fast and fly further than most noobs, get a comet.
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I've been at it two days and still haven't broken $50,000 DOP. :cry:
is it really that hard? :shock: i mean, i made 1 million DOP in just 2 days.... :?
Depends on your airport.
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I am banging my head against the wall.....
I get a profit of 600.000 out of 6 DC3's in one hour enough to buy 10 more of them in one day meaning day 2 will give me a profit of 2 million per hour more then you will ever get out of 2 measly Comets...
A Comet will never give you 600.000 profit!!!!!!!, let alone 1 million per hour.
Math is easy if you know how to multiply....
This game is not about frequencies, seating capacity, jets vs props; it is about DOP!!!!!
FLY SHORT ROUTES, LEASE LOADS OF DC3'S AND FILL YOUR SLOTS, THEN BUY THEM
I managed to get to 9Billion in less then 4 weeks doing this; it works.....
KISS: Keep it Simple Stupid
dak.
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With the help of 5 of my childhood imaginary friends I reached DOP of 1 million the first hour. :twisted:
{Note: the above is a complete lie :P }
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ok, fine. get some dc-3's and get a good dop started. then you get rid of the dc-3's by any means possible and get a bunch of comet-3's.
you do know you cant do short routes forever. if i took my fleet of comets and started to compete against your dc-3's on the same routes you wouldn't have a chance. :)
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Thing is, you can start off quite well with DC-3's but as soon as you hit competition, they get useless and you need something bigger.
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go MrOrange! He said exactly what i said in fewer words. now my point is proved, DAK.
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:lol: In a strange way, most players don't get some basic things in this game. In the previous round (2000-2007) there were loads of start-up airlines leasing 767-300's for 10 million per month, who were actually surprised they didn't stay in the black. If they had leased 5 737-400's, they would have done so much better. On the other hand, had they leased 20 ATR's, they would have been in even bigger trouble :)
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The problem is, I chose a bad base, probably. Fairbanks.
I have four planes (1x DC3, 3x leased Otters) and I still can't make $50k DOP.
But I'm not really interested in basing anywhere outside North America, and basically every single possible place to base is taken.
I think I'm just going to give up and shut down my airline until the next reset. It's too super-saturated to make a go of it from now. :?
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Wouldn't do that if I were you. Think of it as part of the challenge. Which in fact it is, so there shouldn't be trouble thinking it. I just re-entered the busiest part of Europe, and I'm doing pretty well. I know there is a little difference between our situations, but still. Search for missing pieces in routes, ask larger Fairbanks-based airlines for some help - I'm sure there are some nice people around there :) - and see what you can do.
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I just asked for a reset. Not worth struggling along as it was. I'll try a new base.
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fairbanks was probably the best choice for a hub in north america :roll:
try moving somewhere else, like africa or middle east.
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move to Eastern Russia. UUS, VVO, KHB, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
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move to Eastern Russia. UUS, VVO, KHB, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
For the last mentioned one: I would not do that. PK is located on a bad end for a startup airline. As a second hub it is ok but for your first base it would be a lousy point to start from. Competition is pretty hard on the short routes. I did not think that it would be that way when I created the my base here. All you can make profit from is long haul. So as long as you dont own a/c that can fly such routes dont come here.
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fairbanks was probably the best choice for a hub in north america :roll:
try moving somewhere else, like africa or middle east.
what the heck!!! :shock:
Don't move to africa or i will make sure you lost in the middle of the dessert :evil:
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It's all interesting but alot of the arguments seem to be based at early times, I'm lucky I started outside of Europe personally, almost did in Greece. Better half started in Europe two days after me and I've been helping out but aside from zero gates. DC-3's are basically useless due to the fact that there's nil range and can carry few people. On the other hand (I've been getting Martin 202's and Comet 2/3's on mine, leased a 202 on hers) faster planes with more range and carry more people have been doing quite well, partly because the leased 202 is reaching the Middle East. I'm currently based in Dubai but saying start up two bases is easier said than done, squeezed out a 150k base luckily today but I've only just been able to afford it due to necessity(Dubai ran out of gates, stuck with the original 2). On top of that, although 600k on 6 DC-3's sounds good on paper. it's basically impossible now, as well as taking up vital slots on the gates, unavailable to buy now. And naturally as she's making 150k DOP on her second day, she can't afford a terminal. Hell I just hit the 1.1mil mark and I still can't afford a terminal hence the new base. Although I've found the two active contenders in the Middle East(and another active but not really a contender, just been going a while) is generally being left in the dust by me as they're making about 200k DOP. The Connie although making an overall lower profit for it's cost, is making a fifth of my current DOP and only takes up 2 slots at most. Something vital until I can afford my own terminal. So although it's a good tip to say go for the smaller routes with the cheaper planes, unless you're in the middle of Asia(probably the last place left with zero planes on some routes aside from Intercontinental's) DC-3's are Moot(Plus lease on a DC-3 is 190k while lease on a 202 is only just over double that and although makes just less profit total profit, has about 20 more airports available from home base, a large figure considering all the starters and as you said, larger airlines with DC-3's are taking all the under 1500NM route gates and the fact that less gates are required.
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fairbanks was probably the best choice for a hub in north america :roll:
try moving somewhere else, like africa or middle east.
what the heck!!! :shock:
Don't move to africa or i will make sure you lost in the middle of the dessert :evil:
oh yeah, i...um...want him to stay in...er...north america because he is...uh...not interfering with my...um...business...er....
i didn't say he had to move to africa, i put middle east in there too because it is easier, less saturated, and will make your airline a lot larger :P :lol:
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Well Technically the Middle East isn't the greatest area, it's good yes, maybe the second best for new players(note new players, Europe is perfect for the big players as they can dominate routes easy) but Asia is definitely the best. Still an extremely low population for the number of airports it owns, on top of that there are still airports there relatively untouched. Plus you can access almost any airport save for South America without needing a Connie due to it's huge spread touching almost every airport. If I hadn't chosen Dubai then Asia would have been my second choice definitely.
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fairbanks was probably the best choice for a hub in north america :roll:
try moving somewhere else, like africa or middle east.
what the heck!!! :shock:
Don't move to africa or i will make sure you lost in the middle of the dessert :evil:
oh yeah, i...um...want him to stay in...er...north america because he is...uh...not interfering with my...um...business...er....
i didn't say he had to move to africa, i put middle east in there too because it is easier, less saturated, and will make your airline a lot larger :P :lol:
Dessert is hot. :twisted:
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Only if it's cooked properly.
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How about middle America? Is it saturated? Is Cuba part of it?